"So let me cut and paste the pertinent parts to aid you through your brain fart suffering"

hahahaah i could tell things were getting hot and heavy between these two boys after that excerpt.

 

Very informative thread that explains why my smog ticket didn't list my IC and turbo... and only BOV and cam gears lol.



that was f'in funny!

 

what about custom upgraded intercoolers that do not have a CARB approved sticker? I think that's what the thread starter is trying to get at. I would like to know as well.

Ken

 

Ken,

From everything that has been posted custom upgraded IC's are legal now.

 

and a cop will still give you a ref ticket becuase he can. They just give you the ticket and let you figure out how to fight it or pay it.

 

Well that's a given isn't

 

true

 

Not exactly. It's all whether the IC is listed on the CARB approved list. Not on the list, it's fair game for the cop and the Ref to beat you up over.

Talking to Jim at Racing Beat during SS12, it costs maybe a couple of $grand to get a part that is otherwise emission compliant by design officially CARB approved. Said differently, that it's emission compliant isn't legally recognized unless CARB recognizes by executive order.

All that said, Force13B is dead on. A cop CAN write you a ticket that has no legal merit just because he doesn't like the brand of tire you're rolling on. The fundamental flaw in the system that only shows itself IF you take the time take it to court so the judge can see whats what.

 

alright so I've been reading around and to my understanding an after market front mount intercooler for the rx7 is illegal without a carb sticker yes? can someone just clarify this for me? i just bought a front mount greddy fmic and was wondering if i will need to put a grill on my bumper to hid it a little better. thanks much appreciated guys.

 

Unles the specific model Greddy intercooler has been submitted to CARB and received approval via an Executive Order specific to that Greddy model number, you'd best hid it a little better. The CARB sticker comes with the unit when bought new. But, again, the sticker is simply to give you an underhood recital of the CARB Executive Order # for that intercooler and thus a readily available "if you write a ticket you'll loose" card.

The odd thing is, I've always wondered why an intercooler would be a subject of issue in either case. By itself, how does it possibly affect polutant output?

 

thanks for the info hozz much appreciated =D. so while i was reading around i came across a post saying that you could go to a state ref and get a carb sticker? is this really true or no?

 

Intercooler systems and upgrade kits are CARB exempt (CARB E.O. #D-186-21)
http://www.rx7.org/public/CARB.html

Print out the CARB E.O. and keep it in your car.

 

I get what you're saying per the 2003 comment memorialized on that link. But if you want physical evidence you can show to any cop, judge, or ref and make it stick, that works only IF you are specifically running an HKS model 1301-RZ013 FMIC which is covered by EO D-186-21. If you are running a different model (even if made by HKS NOT listed on that listing) that EO doesn't technically work.

I'm running an HKS 5010EC-58182N on my S5 TurboVert which is covered by EO D186-03.

By the way, you can run certain aftermarket Turbo's as well as a review of that listing indicates. On my S5 TurboVert, I'm running the HKS TO4E model #1104-RZ002which is covered by EO # D-186-20.

The thing about running their TO4E, or perhaps any TO4E, is that it tucks nicely under the stock heat shielding. So results in the ounce of prevention out of sight out of mind.

D-186-21 4/28/99HKS USA, Inc. IntercoolerSystem 1301-RZ0131993-95 Mazda 1.3L RX-7 Turbo

As to the OP's State Ref question, the only people that can issue an EO is CARB. As I mentioned in an earlier post Jim Tanner from RB shared with me, it costs several thousand dollars to get one of those from CARB, so it would be unlikely a State Ref could do it on his/her own volition. But give it a try and report back. Things might have changed as, again, I cannot see how an intercooler by itself would present any kind of emission issue.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all an IC does is make intake air colder. If it made a difference, logic would suggest cars put out more pollutants in the winter than the summer simple because the air going in is comparatively colder. Especially here in Dallas right now. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

so with my front mount showing i wont get hassled for it? or will they still pull me over and ask me to pop my hood? im asking because i also just recently dropped a single t4 turbonetics turbo in.

 

The only excuse a cop needs to give for pulling you over is "probably cause". So, do you think your IC being visible to him gives probably cause? He doesn't know you have an EO for your IC until you give it go him. If you gave it to him, you were already pulled over.

The issue is, the probably cause could be absolutely BS (i.e. a burned out license plate bulb that is actually working perfectly. Ask me how I know.) But now that he's taken the time to pull you over, all is game.

Do yourself a favor and just camouflage the IC. Out of sight is indeed out of mind.

 

^^^ =] ya i figured as much. i got pulled over not to long ago and the cop tried to get me for smoked tail lights.... stock much? anyways ya im just gunna try and hid it as best i can. thanks for the info saved me some tickets =D

 

Stock twins with a FMIC is legal.





You'll get hassled no mater what it's the nature of the car. If they ask you to search your car it falls under search and seizure laws just say no. Probable cause yeah ok lots of cars come with FMIC, SRT, Evo's, Audi's. I'm sorry that's not probable cause neither is an exhaust otherwise they would need to pull over almost every honda they saw.

 

That page you posted is MOST EXCELLENT!!. Where is it from, and what link can you provide for us access to the rest of it? Giving it as a validating source to a ref or judge would be very very valuable. However, unless it is available for any of use to present as a validated reference like you can printing an EO off the CARB site, not much help to get past a judge or ref.


It touch's three popular areas I've seen reports cops will give hassle.

1. Having a FMIC when the cop "knows" it wasn't stock. Allows a "so what" answer akin to the car not painted the color it came stock unless he also "knows" the turbo isn't OEM.

2. How many times has it been commented hassled from a cop because of colored silicone hoses.

3. Water injection set up. Certainly not stock, but out of bounds for criticism as it is written.

4. Ignition bridge and coil modification. Doesn't matter how bling they are with that reference.

 

=p ya i figured it would b ok with stock but i just dropped a single t4 in

 

Just so everyone knows, it isn't the end of the world if you get a ref ticket. Keep a bail fund saved.
If you get a ref ticket, just pay the bail. It all goes away. You can register your car when it comes time to.
The only drawback is it doesn't make you immune to getting another ticket the next day.
Being able to pay a bail and have it go away proves that all they want is your money. It is a money game. That is the bottom line.

 

i have never had any problems. although when i had just gotten my evo back in 03 they wanted to hassle me but then i just pulled out the owners manual.... and after that his partner started laughing at him....

 

being cool is illegal in california =(

thanks to street racing and smog for strict laws

 

Exactly. I feel bad for you guys in the uptight/urban areas with these cars, getting state reffed and hood checked all that stuff. To me it's a violation of our rights.

I'm lucky, living in a rural area where nobody cares about anything, having no front plate, headers, no cat, all that stuff. Nobody cares where I am. It really depends on what part of the state you're in.

 

http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARR...%2012-2009.pdf

 

If you open your hood you will get a ticket.
This my smog ref ticket was not cheap.