Taken from http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResource...heck_Guide.pdf

check out section g6-g7.

""For the purposes of a smog check inspection, the following parts and emission control changes are acceptable provided that all of the required emission controls are connected and functioning""

-intercoolers for oem turbochargers

or am I wrong?

 

It's true, but most cops and a lot of smog techs are dumb-axes and they may give you a ticket or fail your test.
This coming from my friend and professor who has been a REF and smog tech for years.
He said that even an upgraded turbo isn't technically illegal in any way.

 

Yes, you are wrong. The first bullet clearly states that unless it's an OEM replacement, than it's illegal. So I can get a OEM replacement top mount intercooler for a TII, but a front mount or V-mount is illegal.

 

^Sorry Ace, but you're wayyyyy off base. OEM replacement doesn't limit to OEM design.

In example, K&N and HKS went through the process to get certain models of their Cone filters CARB approved. That's why you get a sticker with CARB numbers on them with the purchase.

In addition, several FMIC's have been CARB approved. Some of HKS's models being an example.

Guessing by your 22 posts, a newbie you are. Might I suggest you do a little searching of this forum before putting out such a definitive bad information response. If you had you would have found among others:

https://www.rx7club.com/west-rx-7-forum-193/aftermarket-parts-mazda-rx-7-listing-executive-orders-853161/

In that thread you'll find I provided a link to the formal reference source recited in the thread:

http://www.rx7.org/public/CARB.html

My suggestion to all is that if you install any CARB approved performance upgrade part, you go to the web page the last link takes you to and print out the Executive Order approval letter for that part and carry it in your car. Presenting it will make any criticism conversation with a cop very short. I especially recommend you do this if you live in San Diego right now considering the gross crack down apparently going on down there.

 

I wish HKS still made their CARB approved IC's, or if i can get a brand new, unopened one from somewhere.

Hey HOZZ, is it true that you must buy the CARB approved upgrade brand new and still carry the receipt of purchase with you? Or can you get a second hand one from the forums even though it still has the CARB sticker?

 

Used is fine. Whether you bought it new or used doesn't change the fact of whether it's CARB approved or not. I suggest that a copy of the Executive Order should be just as supportive physical evidence as a sticker with a CARB number on it. My understanding is that all the sticker has is the Executive Order number on it.

The second link I gave above takes you to a web page list of CARB approved aftermarket items for the RX7. For each item the Executive Order number is in the left column. Click the link on that web page to take you to the CARB Executive Order search engine and input the executive order number to get access to a PDF of the actual document.

For instance, for the HKS intercooler, going through this process will get you to this page:

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/de...eo/D-186-3.pdf

I carry a copy of this in my S5 TurboVert at all times as cop insurance.

 

Similarly, for the K&N cone air filter, going through the process will get you to this page:

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/de...eo/D-269-8.pdf

I carry a copy of this in my S5 TurboVert as well to suppliment the K&N CARB sticker and as cop insurance.

 

Another thing to note...I'm 99% sure putting a bov on your car is illegal, even if you recirculate it..and I don't think you can run a fmic with your stock bypass valve..but like people say almost every ref, cop, smog tech will think aftermarket intercoolers are illegal.

 

I respect your argument, but I disagree and here is why. It's very simple actually. Stupidity isn't a way to get out of a ref ticket in ANY circumstance. Just because it says it's CARB legal, doesn't make it legal. I'd like to see how your argument stands in court or at the ref station when one acts like a complete moron saying that their FMIC or intake is a OEM replacement. You sir are an idiot. I've known people who have gotten pulled over, hooded popped, and ref ticketed because of their "CARB LEGAL" intake.

You can get those CARB legal stickers on Craig's list. Or would you like to Google that yourself?

Sure, it may not clearly state that it is legal or illegal, but if doesn't look shiny and it's very nice and shiny, most likely you'll get a ref ticket.

I'd expect someone who has been here as long as you have show some respect to people, regardless of how many posts one has or there sign up date. You can go ahead and ramble on and continue your lame argument, but I will no longer respond.

 

oh snap, it's on!


DANCE OFF!

 

Good I hope you stay out. Your info is useless. Go disrespect people on the v8rx7forum.
Later Rob
Thanks Robert

 

"Just because it says it's CARB legal, doesn't make it legal." (quote by Ace Callaway)

"You sir are an idiot." (quote by Ace Callaway)

"I will no longer respond." (quote by Ace Callaway)

Speaking for myself and everyone else wanting good reference on this site, thank you for that consideration.

Ok, so what you're saying is:
- some judge is going to rule you're guilty of CA VC 27156 because you have something shinny under your hood despite the fact that CARB has issued a formal document that it is compliant.
- That a cop is going to issue a ticket in the face of written evidence of compliance because he feels you have violated his personal code of excessive bling.*

Who's the idiot? People must have a hard time listening to you talk in person what with your bad breath from talking out of your *** you disrespecful SOB.

Let me make this easy for you:

The CARB sticker you get with the CARB certified equipment is simply a sticker with the Executive Order number stamped on it. You can not only buy them on EBay, you can make them yourself. Get yourself a crayon (as I have to assume you're restricted from being near sharp objects) and try it.

Now obviously your incompetence doesn't allow you to do something as simple as click one of the links I provided for the K&N Air Filter and HKS Intercooler. So let me cut and paste the pertinent parts to aid you through your brain fart suffering:

Pursuant to the authority vested in the Air Resources Board by Section 27156 of the Vehicle Code; and
Pursuant to the authority vested in the undersigned by Section 39515 and Section 39516 of the Health and Safety Code and Executive Order G-45-5;
IT IS ORDERED AND RESOLVED: That the installation of the Filtercharger Injection Performance Kit manufactured by K & N Engineering, Inc. of 561 Iowa Ave, Riverside, California, 92502, has been found not to reduce the effectiveness of the applicable vehicle pollution control system and, therefore, is exempt from the prohibitions of Section 27156 of the Vehicle Code for the vehicles listed in Exhibit 1, which is attached hereto and incorporated herein.

State of California
AIR RESOURCES BOARD

EXECUTIVE ORDER D-186-3**

Relating to Exemptions Under Section 27156
of the Vehicle Code
HKS USA, INC.
"AIR-TO-AIR INTERCOOLER SYSTEM SERIES 5010EC"

Pursuant to the authority vested in the Air Resources Board by Section 27156 of the Vehicle Code; and
Pursuant to the authority vested in the undersigned by Sections 39515 and 39516 of the,Health and Safety Code and Executive Order G-45-5;
IT IS ORDERED AND RESOLVED: That the installation of the air-to-air intercooler system series 5010EC and 5030EC manufactured by HKS USA, Inc. of 20312 Gramercy Place, Torrance, California 90501 has been found not to reduce the effectiveness of required motor vehicle pollution control devices and, therefore, is exempt from the prohibitions of Section 27156 of the Vehicle Code for vehicle applications indicated in Attachment A.



*Ok, I'll give you that one as cops can indeed be self absorbed idiots at times. But thank god judges just care about the letter of the law.


**This is the number that is stamped on the sticker.


Just for additional background, here is a link to the Vehicle Code that applies (as indicated by the CARB recitals).

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27156.htm

Oh, wait. I'm sorry. You have no link clicking skill. Perhaps you can get one of the West Covina attendants who care for you to click it for you?

 

can someone say

 

The nugget of bizarro wisdom from Ace's original post:

"The first bullet clearly states that unless it's an OEM replacement, than it's illegal." (quote by Ace Callaway)

Here is the pertinent part from the OP's reference document and first bullet point:

For the purposes of a Smog Check inspection, the following parts and emission control changes are acceptable.....

- Any emission related part marketed by the parts manufacturer as a replacement for the original equipment. (Parts identified by the manufacturer as "Not Street Legal in CA" or for "Off Road Use Only" or similar language, are not acceptable);

Now lets set aside the fact that a CARB approved emission related part marketed to function in replacement for an original equipment part is per se legal. Doesn't that parenthesis qualifier seem to indicate that unless it's specifically identified by the aftermarket manufacturer as "Not Street Legal in CA" or for "Off Road Use Only" it complies with this directive as well?

Don't think I'd want to open that can of worms debate with a smog tech. But kind of makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmm.......

 

Hozz just opened a can of e-whoopin.

 

Why would a blow off valve be illegal?

The air released is fresh air, right? (never owned a turbo :3) I dn't see how that'd affect anything minus the rice WOOSH sound as you shift LOL

 

A couple of things.

1. Venting into the air isn't factory design.

2. Venting into the air, I'm told, creates a rich fuel moment. More fuel, more pollutants.

3. Most important from my standpoint, I have yet to find an blow off valve specific EO. However, one can gray area infer an EO for a Blow off valve from the verbage of some of the CARB legal Intercoolers. I sure don't want to be the one to test the grey area situation.

 

<---- Smog tech here.

Cops can, have, and more often then not will send you to the ref for ANY after market part you have installed on the engine; no matter how many copies of the EO you print out. They can send you to the ref just for having a smelly and/or loud exhaust. If you don't want to pop your hood? Guess what, you get your car impounded.

So what about us smog techs?....
FAIL. That's right, we will fail you for most anything you have aftermarket (including ICs and TCs) on your engine that does not have a verifiable EO; and it is our legal right to do so.

When you take your car in for a smog test. Grab the technician before he does the test. Find out his name, offer him a cigarette, maybe talk about a donkey show you watched in Mexico, and say "you know I have some after market stuff that I was told is ok, but would like to verify it before I do the test". Or say "I just put on this aftermarket so and so to replace my stock so and so because it broke, is this ok?". Do this while pointing the stuff out under your hood. If they say no or that they can't tell you go somewhere else.

Whatever the case; be cool, calm, and collective if you get pulled over. Having that EO print out may save you a ref ticket, but no guarantee.

 

"Cops can, have, and more often then not will send you to the ref for ANY after market part you have installed on the engine; no matter how many copies of the EO you print out. They can send you to the ref just for having a smelly and/or loud exhaust."

Except for the "more often than not" part, Agreed. Copy and paste from my post #12 above:

*Ok, I'll give you that one as cops can indeed be self absorbed idiots at times. But thank god judges just care about the letter of the law."

One of my favorite memories is going to court and the judge asking the cop why I was there. I accompanied the cop all the way to his motorcycle reminding him repeatedly how his uniform requires the highest level of ethics. He never said a word.


So I absolutely agree with you.
To put it in truths light, a cop can write you a ticket for anything their heart desires regardless if you are actually guilty of it or not if there is no one in the field with them actually looking over their shoulder to keep them honest. Speeding, rolling stop, or any other section of the Ca VC. This honor system is one of the unavoidable flaws in the law enforcement system.

I remember a cop pulling my son over a few years ago with stated reason his license plate light was out. Truth was/is, as most know, there are two lights and legally all you need is one. More over, two days before I had done maintenance and in the process checked that all lights were operational. When my son called me about it while the cop was writing I told him stay there. I called the duty officer at City of Industry Sherriff’s department and requested he meet me at the site. With much pleasure on our part, we got to watch the duty officer dress down the cop for that BS. No it wasn't Fu.

"So what about us smog techs?....
FAIL. That's right, we will fail you for most anything you have aftermarket (including ICs and TCs) on your engine that does not have a verifiable EO; and it is our legal right to do so."

This is why I carry copies of the EO in my car for specific equipment I have in my car. Copies are pulled from the CARB web site itself, so absolutely verifiable.

"When you take your car in for a smog test. Grab the technician before he does the test. Find out his name, offer him a cigarette, maybe talk about a donkey show you watched in Mexico, and say "you know I have some after market stuff that I was told is ok, but would like to verify it before I do the test". Or say "I just put on this aftermarket so and so to replace my stock so and so because it broke, is this ok?". Do this while pointing the stuff out under your hood. If they say no or that they can't tell you go somewhere else."

Aside from discussing donkey show's, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.
Law is the law, but still up to the person in control to decide to abide or abuse the situation. My practice is to always go to the same smog station so as to enjoy an established relationship with the owner. And I'll also add I've NEVER paid gratuity for friendly smog certification because I make sure my cars are absolutely smog legal prior to when the test is done.

"Whatever the case; be cool, calm, and collective if you get pulled over. Having that EO print out may save you a ref ticket, but no guarantee."

Agree again.
But I will say that the couple of times I've been in a situation like this, when I've presented written education to the cop always in a respectful way, I've always been excused. Once leaving the print out with the cop as my gift to him regarding how tinted tail lights can be legal.

 

^ One more thing.

When I did my TII swaps, I took my Verts to the local Ref to get them inspected and signed off since TurboVerts were never imported into the US. I carry that paperwork signed by the Ref in my TurboVerts at all times as well for cop insurance.

All this in the name of the old bromide, "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

A bromide for any cops reading (especially San Diego apparently) regarding unmeaningful enforcement: "Just because the only tool in your hand is a hammer, it doesn't mean to pound everything in front of you like it's a nail."

 

Why does cali have to be so harsh with emissions laws, cars could be so much fun without them....

 

^^tell me about it..smog bite's..

as wackyracer would say.."that's why you go old school..exempt."

:AA:

 

^I heard the governator is trying to take that away as well.

 

well i hope this is not a dumb or stupid question but they way the laws keeps changing and know that they have dose rolling smog station around, i wonder if i will get harras in my car i have a 1969 510 wagon with a 13b highly engine modified .nothing is stock loud racing beat full exhaust system. 48 delorto carb k&n filter the whole works the law is scary now cause your consider a street racer if your engine is modified, thats is so BS i don't even race

 

^^ Your fine.