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Old 02-01-06 | 10:20 AM
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Mazpower and GuitarJunkie came over. they tore the front cover off, but now we are waiting for a couple parts to put it all back together, should get the parts very soon, unsure when we will put it all back together.
Old 02-01-06 | 12:30 PM
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what all did u guys have to do
Old 02-01-06 | 03:00 PM
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The details are for Casey to disclose, but I'll say that at this point, it looks like the engine painting was the only thing that was paid attention to.
Old 02-01-06 | 03:52 PM
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well, the inside of the front cover was nice and clean too
Old 02-01-06 | 05:58 PM
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well, the inside of the front cover was nice and clean too
Hehe yeah my bad, forgot about that.
Old 02-02-06 | 04:53 AM
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well casey is it fixed since i cant get a answer. and does this mean the whole motor was taking apart casey. just curious
Old 02-02-06 | 11:21 AM
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Rice, no it is not fixed. we are waiting on a part now before we put it back together. only the front cover was removed.
Old 02-02-06 | 11:42 AM
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we gonna fix the water leak?
Old 02-02-06 | 03:16 PM
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there was a water leak too, i thought it was just oil
Old 02-02-06 | 04:00 PM
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there was a water leak too, i thought it was just oil
Dave would be referring to the fact that Casey can't leave coolant in the system long, cause it leaks past the water seals and into the engine. Which quite frankly, is hilarious considering I've had 2 halfies and Dave's had one too, and our cars are/were daily driveable. Personally my best guess is that whoever did the porting, extended it too far and fubared the water seal area, and basically said "well its a race engine, no need to keep coolant in it" instead of finding another iron and doing it right. I guess we'll find out more if Casey has Dave fix this water leak, and I will reserve full unabashed clowning until I see the internals.
Old 02-02-06 | 04:11 PM
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well its big bridge and if im correct doesnt bridge port seep alittle water. Just asking and the outside ports did fine on mine considering those were my old housing and n great shape.
Old 02-02-06 | 05:01 PM
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well its big bridge and if im correct doesnt bridge port seep alittle water. Just asking and the outside ports did fine on mine considering those were my old housing and n great shape.
A big eyebrow cut could extend into the water jacket - like in the case of a J-Bridge, but there are ways of sealing this so you could still keep some coolant in the system. From what Dave and I could feel & see, it seems to be just a normal bridge with little or no notching of the rotor housing. In my humble opinion, if an engine builder was gonna go crazy on the porting and suggest that the coolant be drained when the engine's not running for the purposes of longevity, there'd better be a J-Port in there or something really really big, and it'd be a full bridge & not a halfie. Race motor or not, there's something to be said of an engine that retains some civility.
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i've gone through the top water jackets on huge streetports i've done, and neve, EVER had one leak. there is a correct way to "patch" the iron and/or rotor housing when you protrude into the water jacket. whoever did the porting was probably just not paying close enough attention to it. maybe he was just rushing.
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well when i had the housings when they were n my drag motor it didnt leak. and if there was a leak it didnt make a diff cuz it was a drag motor and its a bridge. and it was a fast motor, it pulled up to 9500+.
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guitar, Maz, the water seals were intentionally cut for bigger porting. he has done it befrore, (just as both of you have) maybe just got unlucky with the sealing of this one???

Rice, what rotating assy were you running in your engine?
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Originally Posted by riceburner1r2001
well when i had the housings when they were n my drag motor it didnt leak. and if there was a leak it didnt make a diff cuz it was a drag motor and its a bridge. and it was a fast motor, it pulled up to 9500+.

you spun an unbalanced engine with the heavy rotors, and a tiny carb to 9500+rpm?

bullshit!
Old 02-03-06 | 12:38 PM
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You ever get that RX4?

Dude, I swear, when it rains, it pours...and for me its pouring cars. Kevin's best friend decides he doesn't want his nicely-done SR20-powered 240. Looks like Kevin's, minus the big dent in the driver side door. Engine runs cleaner than Kevin's too. Only thing is, he never removed the hood insulation after the swap, and the turbo burned it, which also melted the ignitor and CAS. Despite the minor damage, I'm buying the car off of him for $2500...that's $2000 cheaper than buying just the SR20 swap! OMGWTFBBQ! And he's throwing in another banged-up 240 with a stock KA24E for free, as a parts car. This is looking to be a good year...

And as for the CAS and ignitor, I'll steal Miguel's ignitor, cause with the Haltech we just installed with LS1 coils, he won't be needing it any more. I'll just need to find a CAS and I'll have another fun project.
hey mazpower, i was wondering what u were doing with that free 240
if it is driveable, i am really interested in taking it off your hands!
couple bills only though, im looking for a beater gas saver to drive around town,
do u know what i mean? anyways let me know man, that'd be cool if this deal
go through
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i had race rotors n it casey
Old 02-03-06 | 12:41 PM
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9500 rpm?

let's see the dyno sheet.
Old 02-03-06 | 01:18 PM
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how do u dyno it on the st. we took it on a side st my boss dumped the clutch took it 9500+ i went flying n the back hitting my plexiglass back hatch he grabbed 2 for a quick sec . then he hit the brakes so we wouldnt go onto the main st going that fast and brakes were fading badly
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just because you can technically rotate the motor to 9500 rpm's doesn't mean it makes power up there.
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Originally Posted by jilongie
hey mazpower, i was wondering what u were doing with that free 240
if it is driveable, i am really interested in taking it off your hands!
couple bills only though, im looking for a beater gas saver to drive around town,
do u know what i mean? anyways let me know man, that'd be cool if this deal
go through
Actually I'm giving that KA powered 240 to my friend Sam, to tinker with and use as a track car. Now if you would've hit me up a week ago, I probably would have sold it to you...I ran out of options on where to keep it and Sam was more than interested. Sorry bout that.
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Originally Posted by speeddemon32
guitar, Maz, the water seals were intentionally cut for bigger porting. he has done it befrore, (just as both of you have) maybe just got unlucky with the sealing of this one???

Rice, what rotating assy were you running in your engine?
On both halfie's that Dave's ported for me, he never went into the water seal area. I know Dave's breached the coolant jacket with some big ports he's run but he's always patched them up with no leaks. He can speak for those better than I can.

I'm not trying to stir **** up Casey. I'm definately not the best engine builder out there by quite a long shot. But I'm a decent person and it sucks to see the predicament you're in. In my opinion, care was not taken with the assembly of your engine, otherwise we wouldn't of seen that nylon washer on the front of the engine (that iron requires a different seal, as Dave told you... look here for Mazdatrix's confirmation), we wouldn't have found a missing front cover dowel, and there would have been some sealant on the oil pan gasket. Things like this are okay for a first-time engine builder, or someone messing with their own engine, but not for an engine builder looking to turn a profit.

Riceburner, how is it possible that you spun this motor up to 9,500? If you used the same rotors that Casey has now, then like Dave has already said, bullshit. According to Casey, those are "truck" rotors - '70s era 13B rotors with no lightening. In other words, 10 pound rotors. I wouldn't be comfortable at the 8K rpm mark with those. I seriously doubt the capabilities of the engine builder, when he builds a "large half-bridge" which will inherently make power in the 7500-8500 rev range, and decides to use unlightened 10 pound rotors. From what I understand, the engine doesn't even have hardened stationaries which were readily available during the build. And now Casey is stuck with an engine he paid to have built correctly, which would quickly self-destruct if it were used in the manner in which it was intended. ****, it couldn't even idle without pissing oil all over the place! You're lucky Casey is a nice guy, cause if it were me, I'd be pulling out all the stops to get my money back.
Old 02-03-06 | 04:27 PM
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u didnt read right i had race rotors not his rotors, (race rotors) just read back upthere again where i said they were different rotors then casey has. The housings he has were mine just not the rotors.
Old 02-03-06 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by riceburner1r2001
u didnt read right i had race rotors not his rotors, (race rotors) just read back upthere again where i said they were different rotors then casey has. The housings he has were mine just not the rotors.
Okay, then I don't doubt your claim, however I still say...

I seriously doubt the capabilities of the engine builder, when he builds a "large half-bridge" which will inherently make power in the 7500-8500 rev range, and decides to use unlightened 10 pound rotors. From what I understand, the engine doesn't even have hardened stationaries which were readily available during the build. And now Casey is stuck with an engine he paid to have built correctly, which would quickly self-destruct if it were used in the manner in which it was intended. ****, it couldn't even idle without pissing oil all over the place! You're lucky Casey is a nice guy, cause if it were me, I'd be pulling out all the stops to get my money back.


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