L&L Hawaiian BBQ Rx7 2 Year Anniversary meet!!(CALLING ALL RX-7s!!food, prizes, etc!)
09-01-12, 05:08 AM
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haha i cant wait Andy
and for every one else.. thank you so much for coming out and showing love and support for what we like...
I am sorry that one ******* cop had to go and ruin the meet for every one.. (never had that happen in the 2 yrs when been meeting there.)
Hopefully by tuesday i shall have this resolved. going down to Gardena PD to place a complaint against 2 of the cops..
thanks again..
and for every one else.. thank you so much for coming out and showing love and support for what we like...
I am sorry that one ******* cop had to go and ruin the meet for every one.. (never had that happen in the 2 yrs when been meeting there.)
Hopefully by tuesday i shall have this resolved. going down to Gardena PD to place a complaint against 2 of the cops..
thanks again..
09-01-12, 10:53 AM
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haha i cant wait Andy
and for every one else.. thank you so much for coming out and showing love and support for what we like...
I am sorry that one ******* cop had to go and ruin the meet for every one.. (never had that happen in the 2 yrs when been meeting there.)
Hopefully by tuesday i shall have this resolved. going down to Gardena PD to place a complaint against 2 of the cops..
thanks again..
and for every one else.. thank you so much for coming out and showing love and support for what we like...
I am sorry that one ******* cop had to go and ruin the meet for every one.. (never had that happen in the 2 yrs when been meeting there.)
Hopefully by tuesday i shall have this resolved. going down to Gardena PD to place a complaint against 2 of the cops..
thanks again..
And PLEASE mention the self absorbed look-at-me cop who was compelled to pull into the middle of the crowd with lights flashing and siren blaring that served no constructive purpose. My ears are still ringing..................
09-01-12, 02:05 PM
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haha i cant wait Andy
and for every one else.. thank you so much for coming out and showing love and support for what we like...
I am sorry that one ******* cop had to go and ruin the meet for every one.. (never had that happen in the 2 yrs when been meeting there.)
Hopefully by tuesday i shall have this resolved. going down to Gardena PD to place a complaint against 2 of the cops..
thanks again..
and for every one else.. thank you so much for coming out and showing love and support for what we like...
I am sorry that one ******* cop had to go and ruin the meet for every one.. (never had that happen in the 2 yrs when been meeting there.)
Hopefully by tuesday i shall have this resolved. going down to Gardena PD to place a complaint against 2 of the cops..
thanks again..
If you need a witness letter, let me know. I have to get some kind of 'gravitas' mileage out of having turned 50 last Monday...
I was standing there with a half-full L&L drink cup in my hand (making me a 'customer') when they decided to announce their in-my-opinion unlawful order to disperse, under the blanket threat of being issued tickets where no legal infraction had occurred.
I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding (based on having served on the HOA board of directors of a large gated community, & having been briefed on this subject by S.B.Co Sheriffs in an official capacity while holding that position) is that the police normally have only CRIMINAL enforcement authority on private property; they do not have the general authority to enforce the motor vehicle code unless such an agreement exists between the city and the owners.
This is why, for example, they cannot pull someone over inside my community for blowing a stop sign or speeding even though we asked them to - - the roads in my neighborhood are private property (belong to the Association) and not subject to the MVC. You generally don't even need a driver's license or registration to drive a car strictly on private property, given you have permission of the owner.
Police can patrol private property with permission from the owners, but absent either a complaint of criminal activity, or their own witnessing of criminal activity, they had (again, in my opinion) no basis to threaten ticketting anyone.
In most cities, police can issue parking citations at the specific request of the property owner or in response to the complaint of unlawful parking (like a handicap or fire zone) or unlawful trespass in violation of posted warnings... but it has to be triggered by a specific complaint from the property owner, and the complainant has to sign the complaint, which is called a "Private Property Citation Request form."
I went looking for the City of Gardena's Parking Enforcement info on their website... ironically, I get a 'page not available' error when trying to follow the link from Gardena PD's own webpage.
Here's a quote from a typical page, this one for Arcadia:
City of Arcadia, CA - Parking - Regulations, Permits, & Citations
Originally Posted by City of Arcadia
The Arcadia Police Department enforces both City and State parking regulations. While most parking violations are issued on streets and roadways, parking citations also may be issued in City parking lots, Los Angeles County facilities such as the County Park or Arboretum, other public facilities such as schools, and also on private property providing proper signs are in place. Handicap parking violations are issued on any property providing the parking stall is marked and signed in accordance with the California Vehicle Code requirements.
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The Police Department responds to many calls regarding vehicles parked on private properties and business properties wherein the reporting party is requesting that parking citations be issued. The parking citations may vary from illegally parked vehicles to vehicles being parked at a location without permission or in violation of posted signs. Information is gathered from the reporting party by the police officer and then that party will be asked to sign the "Private Property Citation Request" report form. The police department does not routinely issue parking citations on private property without a signed request.
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The Police Department responds to many calls regarding vehicles parked on private properties and business properties wherein the reporting party is requesting that parking citations be issued. The parking citations may vary from illegally parked vehicles to vehicles being parked at a location without permission or in violation of posted signs. Information is gathered from the reporting party by the police officer and then that party will be asked to sign the "Private Property Citation Request" report form. The police department does not routinely issue parking citations on private property without a signed request.
Gardena Municipal code 10.28.410 makes it unlawful to "park a vehicle in a private driveway or on private property without the direct or implied consent of the owner or person in lawful possession of such driveway or property."
Which, as paying customers of L&L and absent any complaint from the owner or person in lawful possession, we quite reasonably had such implied consent, and we violated no posted parking regulations that I'm aware of.
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I'm generally supportive of the police (two of my neighbors are LAPD) & would hate to see what LA would be like if it had to get through even one day without them, but they must also abide by the laws that govern us all.
That shopping center parking lot is private property, not a public street, and absent a complaint from the owner or a tenant to act on, or an observable breach of the peace, I don't believe they had grounds to issue an order to disperse to a peaceable assembly containing a high percentage of customers of one of the tenant businesses. There was no disturbance taking place, no loud music (no music at all, actually), no engine revving or even cars moving around. No one was acting in a disorderly fashion, or behaving in any way other than peacefully going about their lawful personal business - something which we have a Constitiutionally-protected right to to.
I'm not a 'protesting' kind of guy, but this just wasn't right. Leves a real bad impression of the police in the minds of everyone who attended, and benefitted no one.
Their actions did not serve the public interest. No laws were being violated. I'm told one officer said a permit was required... but I don't believe there is any requirement for a permit just because a number of private citizens of common interest decide to gather in one place at one time and patronize a specific business, and then peacefully chat in the parking lot of that business. Were that the case, the Rotary club and the BBB would need a permit every time they have a lunch!
Certainly, I can find no such permit requirement listed in the Gardena Municipal code, as posted on thier website. This was not an 'entertainment' as there was no performance taking place, and it doesn't seem to fit any or the categories in the conditional or special use permit sections either.
That all said, just remember; drawing attention by complaining may lead to retaliation against future meets by the same type of over-zealous officers. Just something to keep in mind.
******** (cop or no) don't stop being ******** just because they catch some flak - - often tends to make them even bigger ******** in an attempt to 'win' the argument. You have to be ready for that.
09-01-12, 05:07 PM
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Damn 9:22.. that's like 4 mins after I left for Ramen.
Glen, you may be correct in your assessment of the situation. I know you can complain all you want in that parking lot, but once you get off onto Redondo Beach Blvd, guess what? He lights you up for something stupid, and since your were Mr Complainer, he decides to go over every nook and cranny of your car and decides to bring his ticket book out. Is it worth the trouble? I don't have that kind of time to waste with officers of the law.
And some of those vehicles do have low blinker light fluid and bearings in our exhausts, yah know? impound? state ref'fed? forget that! I'll just head for the 110 instead.
Next time, we can try a park or the beach.
and Jaime tells me " we never get busted by the cops, they are my friends!"
LOL! good one buddy!
Glen, you may be correct in your assessment of the situation. I know you can complain all you want in that parking lot, but once you get off onto Redondo Beach Blvd, guess what? He lights you up for something stupid, and since your were Mr Complainer, he decides to go over every nook and cranny of your car and decides to bring his ticket book out. Is it worth the trouble? I don't have that kind of time to waste with officers of the law.
And some of those vehicles do have low blinker light fluid and bearings in our exhausts, yah know? impound? state ref'fed? forget that! I'll just head for the 110 instead.
Next time, we can try a park or the beach.
and Jaime tells me " we never get busted by the cops, they are my friends!"
LOL! good one buddy!
09-01-12, 06:53 PM
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9:22pm, according to my phone: Mr. Lights and Siren in his shiny new 'Interceptor':
If you need a witness letter, let me know. I have to get some kind of 'gravitas' mileage out of having turned 50 last Monday...
I was standing there with a half-full L&L drink cup in my hand (making me a 'customer') when they decided to announce their in-my-opinion unlawful order to disperse, under the blanket threat of being issued tickets where no legal infraction had occurred.
I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding (based on having served on the HOA board of directors of a large gated community, & having been briefed on this subject by S.B.Co Sheriffs in an official capacity while holding that position) is that the police normally have only CRIMINAL enforcement authority on private property; they do not have the general authority to enforce the motor vehicle code unless such an agreement exists between the city and the owners.
This is why, for example, they cannot pull someone over inside my community for blowing a stop sign or speeding even though we asked them to - - the roads in my neighborhood are private property (belong to the Association) and not subject to the MVC. You generally don't even need a driver's license or registration to drive a car strictly on private property, given you have permission of the owner.
Police can patrol private property with permission from the owners, but absent either a complaint of criminal activity, or their own witnessing of criminal activity, they had (again, in my opinion) no basis to threaten ticketting anyone.
In most cities, police can issue parking citations at the specific request of the property owner or in response to the complaint of unlawful parking (like a handicap or fire zone) or unlawful trespass in violation of posted warnings... but it has to be triggered by a specific complaint from the property owner, and the complainant has to sign the complaint, which is called a "Private Property Citation Request form."
I went looking for the City of Gardena's Parking Enforcement info on their website... ironically, I get a 'page not available' error when trying to follow the link from Gardena PD's own webpage.
Here's a quote from a typical page, this one for Arcadia:
City of Arcadia, CA - Parking - Regulations, Permits, & Citations
Again, can't find a similar page for Gardena, but it would be reasonable to assume that their requirements are similar.
Gardena Municipal code 10.28.410 makes it unlawful to "park a vehicle in a private driveway or on private property without the direct or implied consent of the owner or person in lawful possession of such driveway or property."
Which, as paying customers of L&L and absent any complaint from the owner or person in lawful possession, we quite reasonably had such implied consent, and we violated no posted parking regulations that I'm aware of.
-
I'm generally supportive of the police (two of my neighbors are LAPD) & would hate to see what LA would be like if it had to get through even one day without them, but they must also abide by the laws that govern us all.
That shopping center parking lot is private property, not a public street, and absent a complaint from the owner or a tenant to act on, or an observable breach of the peace, I don't believe they had grounds to issue an order to disperse to a peaceable assembly containing a high percentage of customers of one of the tenant businesses. There was no disturbance taking place, no loud music (no music at all, actually), no engine revving or even cars moving around. No one was acting in a disorderly fashion, or behaving in any way other than peacefully going about their lawful personal business - something which we have a Constitiutionally-protected right to to.
I'm not a 'protesting' kind of guy, but this just wasn't right. Leves a real bad impression of the police in the minds of everyone who attended, and benefitted no one.
Their actions did not serve the public interest. No laws were being violated. I'm told one officer said a permit was required... but I don't believe there is any requirement for a permit just because a number of private citizens of common interest decide to gather in one place at one time and patronize a specific business, and then peacefully chat in the parking lot of that business. Were that the case, the Rotary club and the BBB would need a permit every time they have a lunch!
Certainly, I can find no such permit requirement listed in the Gardena Municipal code, as posted on thier website. This was not an 'entertainment' as there was no performance taking place, and it doesn't seem to fit any or the categories in the conditional or special use permit sections either.
That all said, just remember; drawing attention by complaining may lead to retaliation against future meets by the same type of over-zealous officers. Just something to keep in mind.
******** (cop or no) don't stop being ******** just because they catch some flak - - often tends to make them even bigger ******** in an attempt to 'win' the argument. You have to be ready for that.
If you need a witness letter, let me know. I have to get some kind of 'gravitas' mileage out of having turned 50 last Monday...
I was standing there with a half-full L&L drink cup in my hand (making me a 'customer') when they decided to announce their in-my-opinion unlawful order to disperse, under the blanket threat of being issued tickets where no legal infraction had occurred.
I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding (based on having served on the HOA board of directors of a large gated community, & having been briefed on this subject by S.B.Co Sheriffs in an official capacity while holding that position) is that the police normally have only CRIMINAL enforcement authority on private property; they do not have the general authority to enforce the motor vehicle code unless such an agreement exists between the city and the owners.
This is why, for example, they cannot pull someone over inside my community for blowing a stop sign or speeding even though we asked them to - - the roads in my neighborhood are private property (belong to the Association) and not subject to the MVC. You generally don't even need a driver's license or registration to drive a car strictly on private property, given you have permission of the owner.
Police can patrol private property with permission from the owners, but absent either a complaint of criminal activity, or their own witnessing of criminal activity, they had (again, in my opinion) no basis to threaten ticketting anyone.
In most cities, police can issue parking citations at the specific request of the property owner or in response to the complaint of unlawful parking (like a handicap or fire zone) or unlawful trespass in violation of posted warnings... but it has to be triggered by a specific complaint from the property owner, and the complainant has to sign the complaint, which is called a "Private Property Citation Request form."
I went looking for the City of Gardena's Parking Enforcement info on their website... ironically, I get a 'page not available' error when trying to follow the link from Gardena PD's own webpage.
Here's a quote from a typical page, this one for Arcadia:
City of Arcadia, CA - Parking - Regulations, Permits, & Citations
Again, can't find a similar page for Gardena, but it would be reasonable to assume that their requirements are similar.
Gardena Municipal code 10.28.410 makes it unlawful to "park a vehicle in a private driveway or on private property without the direct or implied consent of the owner or person in lawful possession of such driveway or property."
Which, as paying customers of L&L and absent any complaint from the owner or person in lawful possession, we quite reasonably had such implied consent, and we violated no posted parking regulations that I'm aware of.
-
I'm generally supportive of the police (two of my neighbors are LAPD) & would hate to see what LA would be like if it had to get through even one day without them, but they must also abide by the laws that govern us all.
That shopping center parking lot is private property, not a public street, and absent a complaint from the owner or a tenant to act on, or an observable breach of the peace, I don't believe they had grounds to issue an order to disperse to a peaceable assembly containing a high percentage of customers of one of the tenant businesses. There was no disturbance taking place, no loud music (no music at all, actually), no engine revving or even cars moving around. No one was acting in a disorderly fashion, or behaving in any way other than peacefully going about their lawful personal business - something which we have a Constitiutionally-protected right to to.
I'm not a 'protesting' kind of guy, but this just wasn't right. Leves a real bad impression of the police in the minds of everyone who attended, and benefitted no one.
Their actions did not serve the public interest. No laws were being violated. I'm told one officer said a permit was required... but I don't believe there is any requirement for a permit just because a number of private citizens of common interest decide to gather in one place at one time and patronize a specific business, and then peacefully chat in the parking lot of that business. Were that the case, the Rotary club and the BBB would need a permit every time they have a lunch!
Certainly, I can find no such permit requirement listed in the Gardena Municipal code, as posted on thier website. This was not an 'entertainment' as there was no performance taking place, and it doesn't seem to fit any or the categories in the conditional or special use permit sections either.
That all said, just remember; drawing attention by complaining may lead to retaliation against future meets by the same type of over-zealous officers. Just something to keep in mind.
******** (cop or no) don't stop being ******** just because they catch some flak - - often tends to make them even bigger ******** in an attempt to 'win' the argument. You have to be ready for that.
Bottom line, right is right and wrong is wrong. From my chair, something needs to be said to the Gardena Police upper management about these cowboys or it will continue or get worst. Since I'm in Gardena once in a blue moon, I'm not so concerned about retaliation. So unless someone wants to talk me out of it. I don't mind carrying that torch.
