Valid points.

I guarentee my emssions removed T2 with a highflow cat runs cleaner then most vehicles its same age. Hell, I can control the A/F's on it curbing the stock gas hungry maps. The problem with the smog nazis, " MORE POWER MEANS MORE SPEWED EMISSIONS"....

I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me.

That's the only way I have a prayer of getting my Twin Turbo 13B-RE swapped S4 N/A to pass. BIG cat, Stoik run, low boost and just for jollies I'm going to toss a few restrictors in the exhast and plumb in an electric smog pump to really diloute it. As long as I pass the sniffer, I'm good to go far as I know. Not so much NAZI's here in ole CT.

As a note though I worked at a gas station in NY about 12 years ago. NY is emmisions testing every 6 months. So we had this 40k mile BMW that wouldn't pass the sniffer and a 220k mile saab that would. So he had me stand infront of the camera rebuilding an x-fer case while he took the sniffer out of the bmw and stuffed it into the saab :icon_tup: viola presto chango enission sticker

I think you guys are taking a far to narrow view of California's problems. They are not specifically because of vehicles, in fact, they had similar problems with simply burning. The geography of California is such that most areas people inhabit are lower elevations or valley's. When the temperature different of the warm climate mixes with these natural "bowls" the smog settles and is not easily dislodged.

Cleaner vehicles are always a step in the right direction, but they will never fix California's problems. It is a combination of elevations, geography, climate, and population that caused the problem and will continue to cause the problem.

Shut the hell up!

You and your god damned logic!

=P

Irregardless, the health problems do exist and we still have to follow federal clean air guildlines. Which means we have to do what we can where we can to improve air quality. And where Cali goes, the USA follows.

You guy are gonna crap when you see what CALIF. is proposing. Real-time smog monitoring of all OBDII vehicles. And you get a letter to fix your car when it put outs too much smoggie.

http://www.imreview.ca.gov/presentat...om_8.23.07.pdf

The Future of Smog Check
•Remote emissions monitoring reduces vehicle emissions and improves air quality
•All light and medium duty vehicles will be OBDII
•2008-2020: States require all vehicles with OBDII to be upfittedwith remote emissions monitoring devices
•2015+: States/EPA require all OBDII vehicles to exit the factory with remote emissions monitoring installed
•Data from remote devices must be integrated with state databases
•Devices may range from emissions only monitors to value added GPS + emissions consumer devices

dohhhh.

OBD-III

Pipe dream. All that system does is monitor mode6 and mode9 data anyways. It does not monitor actual tailpipe emissions.

Just ranting Dinnercoat. I agree with you!

You should buy my rebuilt 12A. :icon_tup:

After I just dumped my first gen project...... Stop the tease!

:0)

aaah...that i didn't know but it's good to know :bigok:

i'm not, i'm making money as a smog tech :lol:



it's been debated by BAR, CARB, DOT, & SAE that OBD-III is somewhat of an INVASION OF PRIVACY. first bullet says "remote emissions monitoring." litteraly means that when your MIL turns on, officials at the state capital & BAR are alerted and mail you letter (if the cops don't get you by lazer first) and/or both) telling you to get your car fixed to reduce emissions & maintain longevity of the life of your car/truck. the invasion of privacy part comes in to where they can tell you when and where your MIL turned on. meaning they're kinda but not really watching you.

Yeah, but you don't have to drive.

my thoughs exactly on people that complain about gas prices :lol:

I know this would never pass since the people that make and pass california's smog bills are all sterile boring souless ghouls that drive big biege boring cars, but here goes. They should come up wih an exemption for automotive modification, a minimum spending limit on engine modification must be imposed filter out ricers and chepo's that don't wanna pay for reapairs. After all the amount of actual number of enthusiasts that would benefit from this are so small it wouldn't make an impact.

BTW, cars should also be emissions exempt after 20yrs like here in WI.

both issues have already been taken care of, but not in your perspective

1- CARB approved parts
2- cars that fail emissions at a test & repair facility or a Gold Shied Station have a maximum amount of $400 to repair the emssions failure.

You think thats evil, soon there are going to be SMOG TRAPS!
http://www.dmvnv.com/news/02-157.htm

they've been doing that here since January

LOL, you're right on, guess it was a classic case of posting with out thinking:)

i do that a lot :suspect:

I think he got busted driving it before he passed the ref/payed the fine.

Saw one setup on a freeway on-ramp just the other day.

boo..i hate smog law's.

:AA:

They did that about 1 mile away from my house right off the highway.

I know my post didn't add to the convo much, but why was it deleted?...


EDIT: or this is a double thread... -___-

lol, theres a thread in the lougne and one in the west forum. you're obviously confused


I like the idea of if itll pass smog its all good, thats how it is in Az. They have just as strict emissions numbers, but only require charcoal canister and gas cap tests for visual on a lot of cars (FB and FC years). I don't think they even look for cat or airpump on visual but i have heard of them being bitchy before.

I'm just gonna put some 4.88 gears and a flywheel and RB muffler on the car and keep the thermal reactor, bone stock its not really slow, moves at a good pace and is never dead on power even w/ 100hp/105tq, so gears and flywheel will pep it up bigtime.


Smog nazis win on this car. :) Plus it means it makes it easier for me to keep this car very near stock and original, not utterly original, but almost.

4.88 gears, like final drive? That's crazy!

4.88 is not bad on the freeway. I have it. Its like having a speed limiter.

what about quarter mile?

74 repus have 4.625 stock. It's not bad. Engine sure likes to rev up.

Every gear is "passing gear".

yup

all that bill did was focus people on putting more old schools back on the road. old schools that people don't need to worry about getting 6mpg in or belching black smoke and no one to watch them. the older cars were tougher to burn cleaner but they didn't care back then and now we're going back to that mentality? fine by me, i have 2 pre smog vehicles and putting the 7 back to stock and selling it isn't a huge ordeal.

Market value on old school just increased by 200% based on this thread. :rlaugh: :rlaugh:

200% my eye, I see no drifting going on in this thread!

CA is currently targeting all 76-80 vehicles, want them "retired". Forcing an annual smog test and/or being sent to Test Only where its neigh impossible to get 'a little help'.

There are stats from actual smog tests and the roadside 'mobile smog machines' that show the older the vehicle, the more likely it failed the smog test. And by a larger margin than newer vehicles. And, older vehicles were reported more often by 1-800-CUT-SMOG.

I wonder what happens if a pre 76 vehicle is reported to 1-800-CUT-SMOG??????

they lol

then the bill pushers will try to pull the bill that makes 75 and earlier exempt, duh...

yes, it will come.

i hate smog laws.

:AA:

what are you talking about...

yep, technically even the pre 76 vehicles still are supposed to be OEM outfitted( ie not modified) however you generally aren't hassled if you have a pre smog vehicle.

And you wont be targetted if you have a KMA or KJC rear license frame holder.

I dont give a fuck about drifting...that shit is just driving with thick wallet, not racing.

seems like CA should have a car enthusiast plate. Pay a little extra and get a special registration.

^Seems like that would be a target on a lot of people's backs. It's a cool idea though.

That shit still works? I swear, I've even seen them for sale on eBay so figured it's just a rumor nowdays.

I have over 20 years of law enforcement experience. We call it a professional courtesy.

It aint that easy.

wacko is easy.