California smog nazis strike again
11-30-07 | 01:17 AM
#26
So whats the smog exemption rule now?
You should have brought up the point that you wanted to convert your automobile's exhaust to a catalytic converter and remove the thermal reactor so as to "improve fuel efficiency and improve exhaust emissions", however you cannot because you will fail the visual inspection when it is time to get the car smogged.
May or may not be true, but they won't know.
You should have brought up the point that you wanted to convert your automobile's exhaust to a catalytic converter and remove the thermal reactor so as to "improve fuel efficiency and improve exhaust emissions", however you cannot because you will fail the visual inspection when it is time to get the car smogged.
May or may not be true, but they won't know.
11-30-07 | 01:23 AM
#27
Probably in over my head
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11-30-07 | 01:24 AM
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ok i will actually type slow, south west california is a **** HOLE
that said, what is so good about toyota, their just as shady as the big 3 a few years ago, their cars are falling apart.
toyota cannot keep up with the demand, and still make a flawless product, eventually their going to take short cuts. their automobiles are now starting to show signs of auto maket fatigue.
explaination of detriot being an urban battle zone-
here whats worse than smog laws, is the unions
the only reason toyota did not try to build its american headquarters in detriot, (belive me toyota wanted nothing more than to build a tower scaling way higher than the GM building)
unions want 30 some odd dollars an hour to build cars, 5 years ago they used to get it, and had been sence the big 3 exploded into the conglomorates they are today, and when you have many plants, and workers with cash they tend to eventually find a female and procreate, and move near their work.
eventually the more wealthy move outta the city and into suburbs, which is usually a great thing.
now that they shieks with vats of oil are taxing their oil, and bush is running up the numbers on barrels, al gore is trying to convience t.v. minded americans that the day after tommorw is real( i blame all of california for its reality spin on t.v now people belive whatever is put through their screens ), and your govinator and his bullshit smog laws
i agree its not all one sided, the big 3 did **** up there reputation quite a bitk, and gave the japs a posisition to step into the big spot
they did not strike back fast enough with cars people actually wanted.
but not that most of the ******* in america, wont buy american,
WE here in michigan pay for it
i used to go to lafyettes and be able to buy a ******* hot dog from the coney island, and **** you could even eat it out side,
not some situation today, we have more homeless than new york, we have been number 1 and the murder capital list for united states cities for years now, and the ******* who took over the city, dont want it to get any better, they enjoy low property taxes, selling crack, and pimpin................if you think im jokeing, visit even the cobo center, or DIA, you cannot walk through the city, and now be bugged for cash, or asked to boss up by some ****** homies, you NEED a gun to walk through the city, the have gaurds and gates at henry ford hospital to keep out all the yo's and the bro's, because they will **** with you.
if you watched the superbowl and thought it looked alright, think again, the raised taxes for 4 years to clean up just that area, of gangs and graiffiti, just for the ******* super bowl, and had a significant part of the police's attetion diverted to rich tourist ***** who love football, while the rest of the city went unpatroled.
and if you dont thnk any of this is relevent,
think again, same thing where to happen to the whold world without oil, it will have lost the thing that makes it go.
you might not agree with the government, but you greenpeace tree hugging ***** who buy forgien, are really ******* up our economy.
quick sum up for those of you who dont follow
1 you buy toyota
2 japan get cash
3 dosent come back to detriot, the bread and butter of this ******* country
4 auto makers cant pay checks
5 people get poor
6 city gets worse
7 people move away
8 more gas used as well as money due to commute
9 city population gose down
10 crime goes up
11 taxes dont get paid
12 city falls apart
13 hippies in cali keep buying forgien
14 we all get fucked eventually
those of you in california really dont realize how much money is moveing through your state, yet you still remain the most un american state, you openly support homosexuality, the rape of young minds via television, the support of voters who elected a ******* machiene for a govener, and you all have the god/cailfornia complex that says" dude im the best cuz im from cail"
please accelerate your break off into your own island nation, and brake the **** off from america.
**** all you im done on this subject
that said, what is so good about toyota, their just as shady as the big 3 a few years ago, their cars are falling apart.
toyota cannot keep up with the demand, and still make a flawless product, eventually their going to take short cuts. their automobiles are now starting to show signs of auto maket fatigue.
explaination of detriot being an urban battle zone-
here whats worse than smog laws, is the unions
the only reason toyota did not try to build its american headquarters in detriot, (belive me toyota wanted nothing more than to build a tower scaling way higher than the GM building)
unions want 30 some odd dollars an hour to build cars, 5 years ago they used to get it, and had been sence the big 3 exploded into the conglomorates they are today, and when you have many plants, and workers with cash they tend to eventually find a female and procreate, and move near their work.
eventually the more wealthy move outta the city and into suburbs, which is usually a great thing.
now that they shieks with vats of oil are taxing their oil, and bush is running up the numbers on barrels, al gore is trying to convience t.v. minded americans that the day after tommorw is real( i blame all of california for its reality spin on t.v now people belive whatever is put through their screens ), and your govinator and his bullshit smog laws
i agree its not all one sided, the big 3 did **** up there reputation quite a bitk, and gave the japs a posisition to step into the big spot
they did not strike back fast enough with cars people actually wanted.
but not that most of the ******* in america, wont buy american,
WE here in michigan pay for it
i used to go to lafyettes and be able to buy a ******* hot dog from the coney island, and **** you could even eat it out side,
not some situation today, we have more homeless than new york, we have been number 1 and the murder capital list for united states cities for years now, and the ******* who took over the city, dont want it to get any better, they enjoy low property taxes, selling crack, and pimpin................if you think im jokeing, visit even the cobo center, or DIA, you cannot walk through the city, and now be bugged for cash, or asked to boss up by some ****** homies, you NEED a gun to walk through the city, the have gaurds and gates at henry ford hospital to keep out all the yo's and the bro's, because they will **** with you.
if you watched the superbowl and thought it looked alright, think again, the raised taxes for 4 years to clean up just that area, of gangs and graiffiti, just for the ******* super bowl, and had a significant part of the police's attetion diverted to rich tourist ***** who love football, while the rest of the city went unpatroled.
and if you dont thnk any of this is relevent,
think again, same thing where to happen to the whold world without oil, it will have lost the thing that makes it go.
you might not agree with the government, but you greenpeace tree hugging ***** who buy forgien, are really ******* up our economy.
quick sum up for those of you who dont follow
1 you buy toyota
2 japan get cash
3 dosent come back to detriot, the bread and butter of this ******* country
4 auto makers cant pay checks
5 people get poor
6 city gets worse
7 people move away
8 more gas used as well as money due to commute
9 city population gose down
10 crime goes up
11 taxes dont get paid
12 city falls apart
13 hippies in cali keep buying forgien
14 we all get fucked eventually
those of you in california really dont realize how much money is moveing through your state, yet you still remain the most un american state, you openly support homosexuality, the rape of young minds via television, the support of voters who elected a ******* machiene for a govener, and you all have the god/cailfornia complex that says" dude im the best cuz im from cail"
please accelerate your break off into your own island nation, and brake the **** off from america.
**** all you im done on this subject
Wait......WHAT? Tree huggers ruining the country? I blame it on the ridiculous demands of unions. They are good, but given too much power ruin everything. Go ask someone living in phili about steel.
I believe that more overseas companies are building factories here than ever before. Rolls Royce is building a testing facility here, and hyundau built one in Alabama (somewhere south).
Actually I blame outsourcing.
11-30-07 | 01:26 AM
#29
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Sure, we're mexican american :P
and blown rotor 89, mr all american patriot, go jump on a chevy or ford board you douche.
unfortunately for you, you live around a city based around american automobiles which have strived to suck for the past couple decades and are just barely getting their **** together.
If you don't like the shithole city of Detroit, move.
But I totally agree with you that south west california is a shithole, don't lump the rest of the state in w/ those jackasses.
SINxSELEKTAH: Does that mean that you have to keep the OE thermal reactor or only have the option of replacing it w/ a CARB approved header which maybe 1 or 2 for RX-7 exist and are very hard to find (hooker and some other muscle company have em CARB listed for RX).
What AM i allowed to do to the intake/exhaust?
and blown rotor 89, mr all american patriot, go jump on a chevy or ford board you douche.
unfortunately for you, you live around a city based around american automobiles which have strived to suck for the past couple decades and are just barely getting their **** together.
If you don't like the shithole city of Detroit, move.
But I totally agree with you that south west california is a shithole, don't lump the rest of the state in w/ those jackasses.
SINxSELEKTAH: Does that mean that you have to keep the OE thermal reactor or only have the option of replacing it w/ a CARB approved header which maybe 1 or 2 for RX-7 exist and are very hard to find (hooker and some other muscle company have em CARB listed for RX).
What AM i allowed to do to the intake/exhaust?
11-30-07 | 01:39 AM
#32
FAIL!!!!!!!!
please see my sig.
a smog exempt car (pre-76) MUST have OEM or CARB approved upgraded parts. if a smog exempt vehicle is (which is extremely rare) sited for illegal upgrades, it must be sent to either a Gold Shield Smog Station or Smog Ref to be CARB approved and must take, at minimum a TSI test (two speed idle)
please see my sig.
a smog exempt car (pre-76) MUST have OEM or CARB approved upgraded parts. if a smog exempt vehicle is (which is extremely rare) sited for illegal upgrades, it must be sent to either a Gold Shield Smog Station or Smog Ref to be CARB approved and must take, at minimum a TSI test (two speed idle)
11-30-07 | 02:22 AM
#34
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speaking of DMV, I will give the cali dmv kudos.
It is at least 2 times better than the AZ and PA DMV's.
Love the roads too, just too many CHP and now this BS, oh well.
It is at least 2 times better than the AZ and PA DMV's.
Love the roads too, just too many CHP and now this BS, oh well.
11-30-07 | 02:50 AM
#35
SINxSELEKTAH: Does that mean that you have to keep the OE thermal reactor or only have the option of replacing it w/ a CARB approved header which maybe 1 or 2 for RX-7 exist and are very hard to find (hooker and some other muscle company have em CARB listed for RX).
What AM i allowed to do to the intake/exhaust?
What AM i allowed to do to the intake/exhaust?
- keep the OEM part(s)
- use CARB approved replacement/upgrade parts
- sell the car to CARB and/or BAR for money towards a new car
pay a fine? what illegal smog shop are you going to?
as much as people say they hate the DMV, i con cour with your statement. California DMV is on point with the affairs amongst their establishment. Good or Bad.
11-30-07 | 03:30 AM
#37
STORY:
vietnamese owned smog shop in business was shut down by BAR via sting operation. place was called "LUCKY AUTO REPAIR & SMOG" after the owner was sent to prison for doing illegal smog checks on vehicles, his brother took possesion of the property and re-opened it 2 weeks later doing the same illegal smog operations under a 'new' name called "LUC AUTO REPAIR & SMOG"
11-30-07 | 03:46 AM
#39
11-30-07 | 09:30 AM
#40
11-30-07 | 10:07 AM
#42
For just getting a state ref ticket? There must have been more to it. My friend has had at least 3 state ref tickets. The cop even put a sticker on his car once that said he could not drive until it was inspected. Each time all he ended up having to do was pay the $300 ticket that comes in the mail if he diddn't want to deal with the ref inspection.
11-30-07 | 10:08 AM
#43
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Connecticut
quick sum up for those of you who dont follow
1 you buy toyota
2 japan get cash
3 dosent come back to detriot, the bread and butter of this ******* country
4 auto makers cant pay checks
5 people get poor
6 city gets worse
7 people move away
8 more gas used as well as money due to commute
9 city population gose down
10 crime goes up
11 taxes dont get paid
12 city falls apart
13 hippies in cali keep buying forgien
14 we all get fucked eventually
1 you buy toyota
2 japan get cash
3 dosent come back to detriot, the bread and butter of this ******* country
4 auto makers cant pay checks
5 people get poor
6 city gets worse
7 people move away
8 more gas used as well as money due to commute
9 city population gose down
10 crime goes up
11 taxes dont get paid
12 city falls apart
13 hippies in cali keep buying forgien
14 we all get fucked eventually
Feather - I JUST last week tried to renew the reg on my 7, I got a notice in big bold red flashing font - WE CANNOT RENEW YOUR REG UNTIL THIS VEHICLE PASSES EMMISIONS.
So I started asking around and haven't found anything yet. Let me know what you find. I'm 4 years away from being excempt but am more than willing to pay the $660 in "repairs" to get the emmisions waiver.
11-30-07 | 11:11 AM
#45
12 parsecs, bitches
Joined: May 2003
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From: Margaritaville
My God, I get to play Whack-a-Mole with this douchebag!
You have to type slow so people can actually understand you. When you type fast, you spew forth verbal vomit no one wants to read.
What? They're still beating the pants off the big 3. No product that recieves daily use is going to be 'flawless' and they don't have to take shortcuts. They just increase capacity by building new plants IN AMERICA.
I have no idea of what argument you're trying to make. Detroit is a giant shithole of a city. One of the few cities that generally loses population year after year and has the highest murder rate in the country. Yeah, you win.
I cannot follow your argument flow...you start off saying that workers make $30/hr, marry, make more dough...then spin off about taxing oil (it's not), bush running up numbers (uh, what?) and then Arnold and his smog laws...mean what? Do you not read the news? The fact is the worldwide demand for oil is up and production is near stagnant. When there is more demand for a product and less of it to go around price goes up. Compound that with the fact that most of the major exporting countries are hostile to the US that market swings can occur. The Shieks aren't taxing the oil anymore...it's just supply vs. demand.
And exactly what's the argument about Al Gore?
Bush running up numbers? What?
And as I said before, Cali has to increase air quality standards to meed Federal guidelines. Current Federal emssion standards aren't tight enough for Cali to meet it's obligations. Which means it has to do more across a broader sector. Did you know that wood burning fireplaces may be banned? All that particulate matter collects to the east of the coastal cities. Cali implmented low-sulfer diesel to clean up the semi trucks and is pressing ahead for better stack scrubbers...
If American companies aren't selling the cars american's want to buy, then why should be purchase a lower quality product that won't make us happy? Detroit has done with with pickups though.
Yeah, as I said before. Plus this shows your racists side. And yet you have a thread about loving hip-hop. What? So America is at fault for your shitty city? Um...no. If it is as you believe that the automakers are the economy, which I'd agree with, then it's the automakers fault for not understanding trends and what the people want to buy. They refuse to innovate, to make cleaner, more efficient cars that are still stylish enough to be attractive. Forgien automakers don't have this problem. You have to realize times change and the automakers have failed to keep up with the times.
Whats the hell are you rambling about? Superbowl to world oil supplies? Why do you blame a sports team? Those rich tourist ***** probably brought needed revenue and attention to your **** hole city. If you disagree....sell the team off to another city. LA Lions has an interesting ring to it. The world is not going to run out of oil dimtwit. It's just going to get more expensive to buy.
No we're not. Most forgien cars are MADE here in the USA. Just not in Detroit b/c they're too smart to want to open in that rusting hulk of a city. The Big 3 are ******* over Detroit.
1. Or I could buy Honda
2. American workers are paid
3. Detroit is not the bread and butter of this country, you dipshit
4. Big 3 not making cars people want. They make better cars, Americans will buy them
5. Find a new job
6. City is a **** hole
7. Well, odds will improve they won't get murdered in Detroit
8. Live closer to work, but a MORE EFFICIENT CAR
9. It's a rotting city
10. See #7
11. your problem, not mine
12. again, your problem
13. I love how you blame californians. We're not the problem ********
14. Detroit gets fucked due to poor decisions by domestic automakers. it won't impact me 1 bit.
Keep on hating the west dummy. We're the 3rd largest economy on earth, I know damn well how much is made here. You want to talk bread and butter, if cali goes down, it'd bankrupt the nation. Then where will you be?
Who says we're un-American? I take issue with that! Because I don't drive a POS Ford? I could care less if homo's want to marry, again it's not going to affect me. Raping young minds with TV? Yeah, that's why I don't have cable or network broadcast into my home. You don't want to see it, don't watch it. ANd it's usually shows about poor stupid ***** from Detroit anyway.
Arnold has done fairly well in this big and diverse state. He's well liked, and doing what needs to be done.
Peace.
that said, what is so good about toyota, their just as shady as the big 3 a few years ago, their cars are falling apart.
toyota cannot keep up with the demand, and still make a flawless product, eventually their going to take short cuts. their automobiles are now starting to show signs of auto maket fatigue.
toyota cannot keep up with the demand, and still make a flawless product, eventually their going to take short cuts. their automobiles are now starting to show signs of auto maket fatigue.
explaination of detriot being an urban battle zone-
here whats worse than smog laws, is the unions
the only reason toyota did not try to build its american headquarters in detriot, (belive me toyota wanted nothing more than to build a tower scaling way higher than the GM building)
unions want 30 some odd dollars an hour to build cars, 5 years ago they used to get it, and had been sence the big 3 exploded into the conglomorates they are today, and when you have many plants, and workers with cash they tend to eventually find a female and procreate, and move near their work.
eventually the more wealthy move outta the city and into suburbs, which is usually a great thing.
now that they shieks with vats of oil are taxing their oil, and bush is running up the numbers on barrels, al gore is trying to convience t.v. minded americans that the day after tommorw is real( i blame all of california for its reality spin on t.v now people belive whatever is put through their screens ), and your govinator and his bullshit smog laws
here whats worse than smog laws, is the unions
the only reason toyota did not try to build its american headquarters in detriot, (belive me toyota wanted nothing more than to build a tower scaling way higher than the GM building)
unions want 30 some odd dollars an hour to build cars, 5 years ago they used to get it, and had been sence the big 3 exploded into the conglomorates they are today, and when you have many plants, and workers with cash they tend to eventually find a female and procreate, and move near their work.
eventually the more wealthy move outta the city and into suburbs, which is usually a great thing.
now that they shieks with vats of oil are taxing their oil, and bush is running up the numbers on barrels, al gore is trying to convience t.v. minded americans that the day after tommorw is real( i blame all of california for its reality spin on t.v now people belive whatever is put through their screens ), and your govinator and his bullshit smog laws
I cannot follow your argument flow...you start off saying that workers make $30/hr, marry, make more dough...then spin off about taxing oil (it's not), bush running up numbers (uh, what?) and then Arnold and his smog laws...mean what? Do you not read the news? The fact is the worldwide demand for oil is up and production is near stagnant. When there is more demand for a product and less of it to go around price goes up. Compound that with the fact that most of the major exporting countries are hostile to the US that market swings can occur. The Shieks aren't taxing the oil anymore...it's just supply vs. demand.
And exactly what's the argument about Al Gore?
Bush running up numbers? What?
And as I said before, Cali has to increase air quality standards to meed Federal guidelines. Current Federal emssion standards aren't tight enough for Cali to meet it's obligations. Which means it has to do more across a broader sector. Did you know that wood burning fireplaces may be banned? All that particulate matter collects to the east of the coastal cities. Cali implmented low-sulfer diesel to clean up the semi trucks and is pressing ahead for better stack scrubbers...
i agree its not all one sided, the big 3 did **** up there reputation quite a bitk, and gave the japs a posisition to step into the big spot
they did not strike back fast enough with cars people actually wanted.
but not that most of the ******* in america, wont buy american,
they did not strike back fast enough with cars people actually wanted.
but not that most of the ******* in america, wont buy american,
WE here in michigan pay for it
i used to go to lafyettes and be able to buy a ******* hot dog from the coney island, and **** you could even eat it out side,
not some situation today, we have more homeless than new york, we have been number 1 and the murder capital list for united states cities for years now, and the ******* who took over the city, dont want it to get any better, they enjoy low property taxes, selling crack, and pimpin................if you think im jokeing, visit even the cobo center, or DIA, you cannot walk through the city, and now be bugged for cash, or asked to boss up by some ****** homies, you NEED a gun to walk through the city, the have gaurds and gates at henry ford hospital to keep out all the yo's and the bro's, because they will **** with you.
i used to go to lafyettes and be able to buy a ******* hot dog from the coney island, and **** you could even eat it out side,
not some situation today, we have more homeless than new york, we have been number 1 and the murder capital list for united states cities for years now, and the ******* who took over the city, dont want it to get any better, they enjoy low property taxes, selling crack, and pimpin................if you think im jokeing, visit even the cobo center, or DIA, you cannot walk through the city, and now be bugged for cash, or asked to boss up by some ****** homies, you NEED a gun to walk through the city, the have gaurds and gates at henry ford hospital to keep out all the yo's and the bro's, because they will **** with you.
if you watched the superbowl and thought it looked alright, think again, the raised taxes for 4 years to clean up just that area, of gangs and graiffiti, just for the ******* super bowl, and had a significant part of the police's attetion diverted to rich tourist ***** who love football, while the rest of the city went unpatroled.
and if you dont thnk any of this is relevent,
think again, same thing where to happen to the whold world without oil, it will have lost the thing that makes it go.
and if you dont thnk any of this is relevent,
think again, same thing where to happen to the whold world without oil, it will have lost the thing that makes it go.
you might not agree with the government, but you greenpeace tree hugging ***** who buy forgien, are really ******* up our economy.
quick sum up for those of you who dont follow
1 you buy toyota
2 japan get cash
3 dosent come back to detriot, the bread and butter of this ******* country
4 auto makers cant pay checks
5 people get poor
6 city gets worse
7 people move away
8 more gas used as well as money due to commute
9 city population gose down
10 crime goes up
11 taxes dont get paid
12 city falls apart
13 hippies in cali keep buying forgien
14 we all get fucked eventually
1 you buy toyota
2 japan get cash
3 dosent come back to detriot, the bread and butter of this ******* country
4 auto makers cant pay checks
5 people get poor
6 city gets worse
7 people move away
8 more gas used as well as money due to commute
9 city population gose down
10 crime goes up
11 taxes dont get paid
12 city falls apart
13 hippies in cali keep buying forgien
14 we all get fucked eventually
2. American workers are paid
3. Detroit is not the bread and butter of this country, you dipshit
4. Big 3 not making cars people want. They make better cars, Americans will buy them
5. Find a new job
6. City is a **** hole
7. Well, odds will improve they won't get murdered in Detroit
8. Live closer to work, but a MORE EFFICIENT CAR
9. It's a rotting city
10. See #7
11. your problem, not mine
12. again, your problem
13. I love how you blame californians. We're not the problem ********
14. Detroit gets fucked due to poor decisions by domestic automakers. it won't impact me 1 bit.
those of you in california really dont realize how much money is moveing through your state, yet you still remain the most un american state, you openly support homosexuality, the rape of young minds via television, the support of voters who elected a ******* machiene for a govener, and you all have the god/cailfornia complex that says" dude im the best cuz im from cail"
please accelerate your break off into your own island nation, and brake the **** off from america.
**** all you im done on this subject
please accelerate your break off into your own island nation, and brake the **** off from america.
**** all you im done on this subject
Who says we're un-American? I take issue with that! Because I don't drive a POS Ford? I could care less if homo's want to marry, again it's not going to affect me. Raping young minds with TV? Yeah, that's why I don't have cable or network broadcast into my home. You don't want to see it, don't watch it. ANd it's usually shows about poor stupid ***** from Detroit anyway.
Arnold has done fairly well in this big and diverse state. He's well liked, and doing what needs to be done.
Peace.
11-30-07 | 11:34 AM
#46
boo hoo.
Guess what, due to all the people that live here in Cali we have really shitty air. And we are violating FEDERAL Clean Air standards. One of the many methods of coming into compliance is to make it so that any new car sold in Cali meets more stringent rules governing emissions. 6 other states have voluntairly joined forces with CAli to fight the EPA.
I'd rather breath clean air than worry about your car. Grow up.
Guess what, due to all the people that live here in Cali we have really shitty air. And we are violating FEDERAL Clean Air standards. One of the many methods of coming into compliance is to make it so that any new car sold in Cali meets more stringent rules governing emissions. 6 other states have voluntairly joined forces with CAli to fight the EPA.
I'd rather breath clean air than worry about your car. Grow up.
11-30-07 | 11:46 AM
#47
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,970
Likes: 1
From: Connecticut
While this was a good read, You wasted more time with this cockdrainer than he is worth - /blwn
My God, I get to play Whack-a-Mole with this douchebag!
You have to type slow so people can actually understand you. When you type fast, you spew forth verbal vomit no one wants to read.
What? They're still beating the pants off the big 3. No product that recieves daily use is going to be 'flawless' and they don't have to take shortcuts. They just increase capacity by building new plants IN AMERICA.
I have no idea of what argument you're trying to make. Detroit is a giant shithole of a city. One of the few cities that generally loses population year after year and has the highest murder rate in the country. Yeah, you win.
I cannot follow your argument flow...you start off saying that workers make $30/hr, marry, make more dough...then spin off about taxing oil (it's not), bush running up numbers (uh, what?) and then Arnold and his smog laws...mean what? Do you not read the news? The fact is the worldwide demand for oil is up and production is near stagnant. When there is more demand for a product and less of it to go around price goes up. Compound that with the fact that most of the major exporting countries are hostile to the US that market swings can occur. The Shieks aren't taxing the oil anymore...it's just supply vs. demand.
And exactly what's the argument about Al Gore?
Bush running up numbers? What?
And as I said before, Cali has to increase air quality standards to meed Federal guidelines. Current Federal emssion standards aren't tight enough for Cali to meet it's obligations. Which means it has to do more across a broader sector. Did you know that wood burning fireplaces may be banned? All that particulate matter collects to the east of the coastal cities. Cali implmented low-sulfer diesel to clean up the semi trucks and is pressing ahead for better stack scrubbers...
If American companies aren't selling the cars american's want to buy, then why should be purchase a lower quality product that won't make us happy? Detroit has done with with pickups though.
Yeah, as I said before. Plus this shows your racists side. And yet you have a thread about loving hip-hop. What? So America is at fault for your shitty city? Um...no. If it is as you believe that the automakers are the economy, which I'd agree with, then it's the automakers fault for not understanding trends and what the people want to buy. They refuse to innovate, to make cleaner, more efficient cars that are still stylish enough to be attractive. Forgien automakers don't have this problem. You have to realize times change and the automakers have failed to keep up with the times.
Whats the hell are you rambling about? Superbowl to world oil supplies? Why do you blame a sports team? Those rich tourist ***** probably brought needed revenue and attention to your **** hole city. If you disagree....sell the team off to another city. LA Lions has an interesting ring to it. The world is not going to run out of oil dimtwit. It's just going to get more expensive to buy.
No we're not. Most forgien cars are MADE here in the USA. Just not in Detroit b/c they're too smart to want to open in that rusting hulk of a city. The Big 3 are ******* over Detroit.
1. Or I could buy Honda
2. American workers are paid
3. Detroit is not the bread and butter of this country, you dipshit
4. Big 3 not making cars people want. They make better cars, Americans will buy them
5. Find a new job
6. City is a **** hole
7. Well, odds will improve they won't get murdered in Detroit
8. Live closer to work, but a MORE EFFICIENT CAR
9. It's a rotting city
10. See #7
11. your problem, not mine
12. again, your problem
13. I love how you blame californians. We're not the problem ********
14. Detroit gets fucked due to poor decisions by domestic automakers. it won't impact me 1 bit.
Keep on hating the west dummy. We're the 3rd largest economy on earth, I know damn well how much is made here. You want to talk bread and butter, if cali goes down, it'd bankrupt the nation. Then where will you be?
Who says we're un-American? I take issue with that! Because I don't drive a POS Ford? I could care less if homo's want to marry, again it's not going to affect me. Raping young minds with TV? Yeah, that's why I don't have cable or network broadcast into my home. You don't want to see it, don't watch it. ANd it's usually shows about poor stupid ***** from Detroit anyway.
Arnold has done fairly well in this big and diverse state. He's well liked, and doing what needs to be done.
Peace.
You have to type slow so people can actually understand you. When you type fast, you spew forth verbal vomit no one wants to read.
What? They're still beating the pants off the big 3. No product that recieves daily use is going to be 'flawless' and they don't have to take shortcuts. They just increase capacity by building new plants IN AMERICA.
I have no idea of what argument you're trying to make. Detroit is a giant shithole of a city. One of the few cities that generally loses population year after year and has the highest murder rate in the country. Yeah, you win.
I cannot follow your argument flow...you start off saying that workers make $30/hr, marry, make more dough...then spin off about taxing oil (it's not), bush running up numbers (uh, what?) and then Arnold and his smog laws...mean what? Do you not read the news? The fact is the worldwide demand for oil is up and production is near stagnant. When there is more demand for a product and less of it to go around price goes up. Compound that with the fact that most of the major exporting countries are hostile to the US that market swings can occur. The Shieks aren't taxing the oil anymore...it's just supply vs. demand.
And exactly what's the argument about Al Gore?
Bush running up numbers? What?
And as I said before, Cali has to increase air quality standards to meed Federal guidelines. Current Federal emssion standards aren't tight enough for Cali to meet it's obligations. Which means it has to do more across a broader sector. Did you know that wood burning fireplaces may be banned? All that particulate matter collects to the east of the coastal cities. Cali implmented low-sulfer diesel to clean up the semi trucks and is pressing ahead for better stack scrubbers...
If American companies aren't selling the cars american's want to buy, then why should be purchase a lower quality product that won't make us happy? Detroit has done with with pickups though.
Yeah, as I said before. Plus this shows your racists side. And yet you have a thread about loving hip-hop. What? So America is at fault for your shitty city? Um...no. If it is as you believe that the automakers are the economy, which I'd agree with, then it's the automakers fault for not understanding trends and what the people want to buy. They refuse to innovate, to make cleaner, more efficient cars that are still stylish enough to be attractive. Forgien automakers don't have this problem. You have to realize times change and the automakers have failed to keep up with the times.
Whats the hell are you rambling about? Superbowl to world oil supplies? Why do you blame a sports team? Those rich tourist ***** probably brought needed revenue and attention to your **** hole city. If you disagree....sell the team off to another city. LA Lions has an interesting ring to it. The world is not going to run out of oil dimtwit. It's just going to get more expensive to buy.
No we're not. Most forgien cars are MADE here in the USA. Just not in Detroit b/c they're too smart to want to open in that rusting hulk of a city. The Big 3 are ******* over Detroit.
1. Or I could buy Honda
2. American workers are paid
3. Detroit is not the bread and butter of this country, you dipshit
4. Big 3 not making cars people want. They make better cars, Americans will buy them
5. Find a new job
6. City is a **** hole
7. Well, odds will improve they won't get murdered in Detroit
8. Live closer to work, but a MORE EFFICIENT CAR
9. It's a rotting city
10. See #7
11. your problem, not mine
12. again, your problem
13. I love how you blame californians. We're not the problem ********
14. Detroit gets fucked due to poor decisions by domestic automakers. it won't impact me 1 bit.
Keep on hating the west dummy. We're the 3rd largest economy on earth, I know damn well how much is made here. You want to talk bread and butter, if cali goes down, it'd bankrupt the nation. Then where will you be?
Who says we're un-American? I take issue with that! Because I don't drive a POS Ford? I could care less if homo's want to marry, again it's not going to affect me. Raping young minds with TV? Yeah, that's why I don't have cable or network broadcast into my home. You don't want to see it, don't watch it. ANd it's usually shows about poor stupid ***** from Detroit anyway.
Arnold has done fairly well in this big and diverse state. He's well liked, and doing what needs to be done.
Peace.
11-30-07 | 12:06 PM
#49
12 parsecs, bitches
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 468
Likes: 0
From: Margaritaville
Our problem is the shithole known as TJ. Their rigs run up here after topping off their tanks with cheap dirty diesel in Mexico. Although that is being addressed...they may have to dump/refuel w/ cleaner american gas and have stack scrubbers on any mexican trucks running in the US.
ANother issue is cruise ships than run on fuel or bunker oil. The idle in port and they dump tons of **** into the air. San Diego is no where near as bad as the LA basin and I"m damn glad I don't live up there.
11-30-07 | 12:06 PM
#50
Caramelldansen
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,182
Likes: 0
From: SF Bay Area, California
I think the problem isn't with emissions law per se but rather the targeting of vehicle modification.
Hell we need to get a ******* Proposal on a ballot ... or something.
Engine swaps, engine modification, should be perfectly legal so long as it passes a sniffer test and said modifications will not be a gross threat to other motorists. Now that last part could be vague. When I think gross threat, I think maybe, say driving around a car powered by a huge tank of unstable plutonium that is mounted to the rear bumper. You know, something really kooky.
Seriously the car enthusiast/tuner crowd has to be large enough to where a proposal could be passed that would allow exemption for making car modifications so long as they meet emissions requiremens/pass sniffer tests.
Hell we need to get a ******* Proposal on a ballot ... or something.
Engine swaps, engine modification, should be perfectly legal so long as it passes a sniffer test and said modifications will not be a gross threat to other motorists. Now that last part could be vague. When I think gross threat, I think maybe, say driving around a car powered by a huge tank of unstable plutonium that is mounted to the rear bumper. You know, something really kooky.
Seriously the car enthusiast/tuner crowd has to be large enough to where a proposal could be passed that would allow exemption for making car modifications so long as they meet emissions requiremens/pass sniffer tests.