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Old 01-25-08 | 06:49 AM
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hmm, i was just asking guys. lol sh*t hahaha. i would like to run a v8 rx7 with the same kind of power and see the difference. thats all. thanks
Old 01-25-08 | 10:14 AM
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V8 are boring

The ONLY reason for a LS swap is to pass emissions. Thats it, thats why they are always for sale. People build them and then drive it and say "thats it?"....And the only reason people think rotaries are **** are the rumors and the lack of experience new owners have. For the effort and money LS swaps in a FD are a complete waste of money. Go build a mustang if you want a V8. If you really want a NASTY engine go buy yourself a 20B. Its probally cheaper then a twin turbo fully built LS engine. Who's this AMERICANCARSARESLOW guy? his comments are funny as ****!
Anyway, Not to start a fight or an arguement, but I am willing to race a LS swapped rx7 for the fun of it. I don't have THAT much money my FD. Single turbo on pump gas, daily driven, and daily beaten. You might have seen me terrorizing the streets of Blackwood,NJ. And if you really think you have a fast V8 you can TRY to race my friends 20B, Good luck!
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Old 01-25-08 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KBSRX7
The ONLY reason for a LS swap is to pass emissions. Thats it, thats why they are always for sale. People build them and then drive it and say "thats it?"....And the only reason people think rotaries are **** are the rumors and the lack of experience new owners have. For the effort and money LS swaps in a FD are a complete waste of money. Go build a mustang if you want a V8. If you really want a NASTY engine go buy yourself a 20B. Its probally cheaper then a twin turbo fully built LS engine. Who's this AMERICANCARSARESLOW guy? his comments are funny as ****!
Anyway, Not to start a fight or an arguement, but I am willing to race a LS swapped rx7 for the fun of it. I don't have THAT much money my FD. Single turbo on pump gas, daily driven, and daily beaten. You might have seen me terrorizing the streets of Blackwood,NJ. And if you really think you have a fast V8 you can TRY to race my friends 20B, Good luck!
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Old 01-25-08 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KBSRX7
The ONLY reason for a LS swap is to pass emissions.
And dependability, and fuel economy, and $$/hp, and ease of access to parts, and cutting edge technology (don't give me crap about pushrods either. I'll put an LS1 against any OHC V8 on the market). We don't even have emissions in SC and I've owned or been paid to do the swap for 6 RX7s.

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Thats it, thats why they are always for sale.
Ya?

They are always for sale just like every other performance car. ****, I built 2 FCs for the soul purpose of selling. I can build one for $4-6k and sell it for $12-15k. Why does Mazda sell cars? For profit. I can build an FD for $12-15 and sell it for $25-35k. Look on Ebay or the FS section of this forum. For every 20 rotary cars, you'll see 1 V8.

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People build them and then drive it and say "thats it?"
Really? Have you ever driven one? If not, I don't believe you're qualified to sepeculate on what people say when they drive one. That sure as hell isn't what people say when I give them a ride in mine. Not only that, but I dont think you're exactly qualified to comment on why others build cars, what they think when they're done, and their reason for selling.

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For the effort and money LS swaps in a FD are a complete waste of money.
Really? The swap isn't that hard. I've bought LS1 pullouts for $1700 before. that's motor, tranny, comp, harness, & all sensors. That's 335hp for $1700, and 400hp is a cam/spring swap away. I don't see 400hp rotaries w/tranny and comp being sold for $2000.

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Go build a mustang if you want a V8.
No, go build a mustang if you want a mustang. For their times, the FC and FD was the best rear wheel drive chassis to come out of Japan. For it's time, the LS1 is the best production V8 that weighs practically the same as a BREW.

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If you really want a NASTY engine go buy yourself a 20B.
No, if you want a 20B, go buy yourself a 20B, that is if you want to throw off your legendary 50/50 weight distribution.

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Its probally cheaper then a twin turbo fully built LS engine.
Doubt it, but then again, a fully built LSX TT engine is capible of 2500hp.


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Anyway, Not to start a fight or an arguement,
Sorry bro, but it sounds like it to me. You're just like all of the other V8 haters with no first hand experience that post information that has long been debunked.

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but I am willing to race a LS swapped rx7 for the fun of it.
And you'll loose. My FC could do 0-60 in 3.2secs and 0-100-0 in 10.6. Put that in your tail pipe and smoke it.

BTW, I sold that FC (made some money off of it, fyi) to buy an FD. So, next time you want to comment on why people are selling their swapped cars, you can say, "the guy I know sold his to buy/build another one". The FD currently has a freshly dynoed 400hp LS1 in it and is going under the knife on Saturday for a head/cam swap. The heads, cam, springs, retainers, keepers, and valves cost me $150 and I ported the heads myself. Not bad for a 40hp upgrade. How much did it cost you to add 40 horses?

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And if you really think you have a fast V8 you can TRY to race my friends 20B, Good luck!
I'm sure it's a fast car. I bet he has tons of money, time, and love in it. Just like I do my cars. So, why are you making it your business to bitch about what I (and people like me) do with my time and property, 500 miles away?
Old 01-25-08 | 12:42 PM
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I love my rotary FD and whenever I can afford to get another one, I'd like to have a LSX-FD as a daily.
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My 20B still has 50/50 weight distribution for whatever it's worth

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Old 01-25-08 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thetech
My 20B still has 50/50 weight distribution for whatever it's worth


So does an LS1 swapped car.
Old 01-25-08 | 01:31 PM
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So does an LS1 swapped car.
I agree, and was responding to the guy above who claimed that you immediately blow your weight distribution when using a 20B.

FWIW, I almost went with an LS1...20B's just sound cooler
Old 01-25-08 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KBSRX7
The ONLY reason for a LS swap is to pass emissions. Thats it, thats why they are always for sale. People build them and then drive it and say "thats it?"....And the only reason people think rotaries are **** are the rumors and the lack of experience new owners have. For the effort and money LS swaps in a FD are a complete waste of money. Go build a mustang if you want a V8. If you really want a NASTY engine go buy yourself a 20B. Its probally cheaper then a twin turbo fully built LS engine. Who's this AMERICANCARSARESLOW guy? his comments are funny as ****!
Anyway, Not to start a fight or an arguement, but I am willing to race a LS swapped rx7 for the fun of it. I don't have THAT much money my FD. Single turbo on pump gas, daily driven, and daily beaten. You might have seen me terrorizing the streets of Blackwood,NJ. And if you really think you have a fast V8 you can TRY to race my friends 20B, Good luck!
No the ONLY reasonS to put an LS1 in the car is if you want to go very fast, very reliably. Noone has ever drivin in an LS1 RX7 and said thats it unless they mean, "Thats it? Ls1 and no more problems??" And no, the reason people think they are **** is because they are very unreliable. Now to any LEVEL headed rotary person, I love 3 and 4 rotor motors, **** I love anything that makes power and runs its numbers(even fast civics) so im in no way knocking anyone who has a rotary. And yes, a 20b prolly would be cheaper than an LS1 with twin turbos...but who needs twin turbos when these cars go 10's with just a cam and springs?
And no, AMERICANCARSARESLOW is a douche bag and id love more than anything to race him in my "slow" LS6. And again, I will race you and your friends 20b.It will be a "run what you brung" type thing. I dont want to hear any excuses on what kind of gas,tires and all that noneses. Just know that I will be using all the nitrous I have(twin stage 250 shot) and it will be recorded on video and posted EVERYWHERE. Im not afraid to lose, so ill race anything. If he beats me and hes cool, ill have gained alot of respect for him. If I beat him, ill be cool about it(im not a **** talking retard) however I will post it online to put this stupid LS1/Rotary thing to rest. As soon as the weather warms up we can set something up gladly.



PS. Eat Pez, I completely agree with you and if your around here maybe sometime this summer we could do a big meet of an LS vs. 13/20b. Im not saying my car will beat every rotary, ****, ive seen rotary cars that would analy rape mine, however those guys are true car enthusiasts and arent **** talking idiots with 12 second cars.
Old 01-25-08 | 03:21 PM
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Old 01-25-08 | 03:45 PM
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Been ready for years

250 SHOT! saw a 13b NA with a 250 shot run 8.2! A Rotary is just as reliable as any motor. A motor is a motor. Detonation will damage them all. LS1, LS6, or a rotary. Unfortunatly rotaries don't like it at all. And the fact about apex seals how was my friend runnin 7.6 with STOCK apex seals. TUNEd correctly. And if I do detonate, slap a new apex seal in and $150 for a new water jacket set and your back. How much would it cost for a LS6? You don't need to be some kind of Harry Potter wizard to make a rx7 fast. Untouched 13B, throw a big turbo on it. Still on pump at 15psi and bam, low 11sec . With a street port 10sec! Higher boost will drop another second. Every FD around here runs low 11s high 10s on pump gas , daily drivin, and everytime I beat the crap out of it. Oh wait, they're not reliable? You say 12s? I know people with STOCK FDs with minor bolt ons runnin 12.4. You think I'm talking smack, but I'll be glad to race you or anyone. Although, I don't think you'll ever be ready for the 20B though. One more thing, how come I never been beaten by V8s? Its crazy beating a Z06 or streetbikes with a 1.3 liter.

You know what they say , once you go Rotary, you'll never go back!
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Originally Posted by KBSRX7
250 SHOT! saw a 13b NA with a 250 shot run 8.2! Fully gutted you might have. A Rotary is just as reliable as any motor. Lol, ok sure. A motor is a motor. Detonation will damage them all. LS1, LS6, or a rotary. Unfortunatly rotaries don't like it at all. And the fact about apex seals how was my friend runnin 7.6 with STOCK apex seals. And? What does that matter? TUNEd correctly. And if I do detonate, slap a new apex seal in and $150 for a new water jacket set and your back. Sorry, rebuilds cost a lot more than $150, especially if you gouge a housing or cause other damage. How much would it cost for a LS6? Depends on what you break. You don't need to be some kind of Harry Potter wizard to make a rx7 fast. Point out one time when someone said otherwise. Untouched 13B, throw a big turbo on it. Still on pump at 15psi and bam, low 11sec. You can't just throw a big turbo on and go, there are tons of supporting mods you have to do. All of them cost money. With an LS1, you can throw in a cam kit, $600, and run 11's or lower. With a street port 10sec! You can hit 9's with as much money on a V8. Higher boost will drop another second. That better be a lot more boost. Every FD around here runs low 11s high 10s on pump gas , daily drivin, and everytime I beat the crap out of it. Oh wait, they're not reliable? You say 12s? I know people with STOCK FDs with minor bolt ons runnin 12.4. Good for them, why would I care? You think I'm talking smack, but I'll be glad to race you or anyone. Although, I don't think you'll ever be ready for the 20B though. One more thing, how come I never been beaten by V8s? Its crazy beating a Z06 or streetbikes with a 1.3 liter.

You know what they say , once you go Rotary, you'll never go back!
Can't say I've ever heard someone say that.

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People put their lsx fd's for sale because they usually do not lose $$ on the conversion and in some cases may actually turn a profit.

The v8 is not for everybody, get a ride or drive one before you build one, simple as that. My fd has been rotor free since '03, never once have I considered going back. To each their own, now can't we all just get along.
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weeellll... update on the swap.. got everything, waiting on hinson to get my subframe here, its been 4 weeks.. one of the guys got hurt at hinson so they had to delay the orders.. i was first on the list for quite a while, and they havent been able to make the subframes.. sooo.. meaning, the engine/tranny/clutch and the parts that have to be modded are good to go, the only other thing i need to put my $$ into.. would be my turbo.. which i will get as soon as the engine is dropped in my car.. and i will drop the engine in my car, when hinson decides to give me my subframe i ordered..
Old 01-25-08 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KBSRX7
250 SHOT! saw a 13b NA with a 250 shot run 8.2! A Rotary is just as reliable as any motor. A motor is a motor. Detonation will damage them all. LS1, LS6, or a rotary. Unfortunatly rotaries don't like it at all. And the fact about apex seals how was my friend runnin 7.6 with STOCK apex seals. TUNEd correctly. And if I do detonate, slap a new apex seal in and $150 for a new water jacket set and your back. How much would it cost for a LS6? You don't need to be some kind of Harry Potter wizard to make a rx7 fast. Untouched 13B, throw a big turbo on it. Still on pump at 15psi and bam, low 11sec . With a street port 10sec! Higher boost will drop another second. Every FD around here runs low 11s high 10s on pump gas , daily drivin, and everytime I beat the crap out of it. Oh wait, they're not reliable? You say 12s? I know people with STOCK FDs with minor bolt ons runnin 12.4. You think I'm talking smack, but I'll be glad to race you or anyone. Although, I don't think you'll ever be ready for the 20B though. One more thing, how come I never been beaten by V8s? Its crazy beating a Z06 or streetbikes with a 1.3 liter.

You know what they say , once you go Rotary, you'll never go back!
Haha your the kind of idiot I love beating. Your the kind of idiot that makes dumb comments like that, then gets beat, then comes out with more excuses. Spring time is coming quick..so put your money where your mouth is. I hope your 20b is ready..we can go from a roll or from a stop..and you can spin your motor to 90,000rpms if youd like..doesn't matter to me.


Now onto more of your idiotic rambling, you know how much it cost me to get my LS6 block safe for a twin stage? 1800$ total..all said and done, thats forged rods,pistons and the machine work and assembly(stock cranks are good to over 1000hp)and you say untouched but slap a huge turbo to run 11's($$$)..cuz we all know you cant just SLAP a single turbo on the car and go..and a kit costs how much? Im sure over 2,000$. then you need the fuel upgrades and all of that so your prolly looking at well over 3000$ to go 11's in a rotary. With an Ls1..used cam(200$) PRC spring setup(300$) then about 300 or so for misc upgrades like pushrods,ported oil pump and some other stuff and you got a 10 second car.(I dunno about you but last I checked 10s were faster than 11's) a guy on our board with only 398rwhp(thats cam only) went 10.9..so you can say what you want to say about **** you have no idea about. My trans am went 10.3 at 139mph with 713rwhp(single 76mmturbo) and 3,800lbs...this cars going to make more power be over 1000lbs lighter...this summer is gonna be fun. And to any normal guy out there please dont take offense to what im saying im not ramling nonsense...ive owned 3 4th gen TA's, a 94 single turbo supra, 2004 cobra and now this...ive done my research and this cars going to give me exactly what I want.
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Originally Posted by Rx7_Nut13B
Hey I am all for the V8 swaps, there is a bad *** FD running like 550hp on spray, But this guy has been talking **** for almost 3 months. Allot of people on here do there swaps and everyone , even the rotary die hards, say that they did a great job.

The problem is how this guy is stuck-up because of his attitude "he is the best and everyone else suxs", that is the only reason that this guy has no friends on here.

People tell him stuff to correct what he is saying, this information is correct, MANY MANY people have been showing him all this hard proof that he is wrong about something and he will not learn from that. He just wants to say they are wrong and he is right because.........
i dont need to make friends on the internet.. 2ndly.. i didnt get band from the south lounge, i stopped posting.. 3rd of all.. post horring.. i believe its spelt.. "Whoring".. and who cares?? a post is a post.. dont cry over it, you seem to be the only one who cares.. posts mean nothing.. i have done business w/ plenty of people on here, if ur associating posts w/ buying/selling, other than that, posts are pretty pointless.. if u care so much about it, then tell the administrators to take the posts count off..
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http://www.rotaryranch.com/vids/rx7.mpg

stock IRS. no tub. stock trans. 13b 1.3 liter rotary with a single turbo. street car. lol. poor v8
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Here let me post that again http://www.rotaryranch.com/vids/rx7.mpg

almost an 8 second pass with a baby 1.3 liter single turbo. untubbed, stock IRS with stock trans. its a street car. he drove that bitch home too.
no need for a 7979794794 shot of nitrous. lol
no sump in tank no nuthn. its a ****** street port stock mazda motor with a single turbo and some fuel. need i say more??
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ya that was a 9.1 and 151mph.... yea.......i know.
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I must say I'm ecstatic that tt rotary is joining the v8 camp. Have fun with him, boys
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ITS A STREET CAR!!!! I restate that because im waiting for a post to say... o ya well heres a mustang w/ a 8.5 inch tire runin a 7. etc... its not a street car. that 7 is a stock motor with a single turbo with all factory suspension.
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Originally Posted by TT_Rotary
i dont need to make friends on the internet.. 2ndly.. i didnt get band from the south lounge,
I think it's spelled "banned"

Band is a strap or a group or people

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i stopped posting.. 3rd of all.. post horring.. i believe its spelt.. "Whoring"..
I believe it's spelled "spelled"

Spelt is a form of wheat.

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waiting on hinson to get my subframe here, its been 4 weeks.. one of the guys got hurt at hinson so they had to delay the orders..
And you believe that?

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was first on the list for quite a while
You believe that too? His turn around time is ~2months. If his guy really did get hurt, expect... God knows when.

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meaning, the engine/tranny/clutch and the parts that have to be modded are good to go,
You mean your fuel rails and your cams?
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Originally Posted by turbotommy
ITS A STREET CAR!!!! I restate that because im waiting for a post to say... o ya well heres a mustang w/ a 8.5 inch tire runin a 7. etc... its not a street car. that 7 is a stock motor with a single turbo with all factory suspension.
Wow, that's all I have to do to run 9.1 is buy a TII, then upgrade my turbo?

This LS1 thing really is over rated. With the 1000s of other TII owners on this board, there must be half of them in the single digits.



Untill the owner of that car joins the conversation and shows pics of his AC, PS, full interior, DOT radials, then I'm calling BS.

Why don't you post a video of your street car doing 9s? Is it because after $50k+ in the car, it can't do it? If I put $500 more in my car, I could do it.



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