Got Hemi?
08-06-05 | 12:52 AM
#28
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Wasn't that article about a W2 headed 340 with a tunnel ram? I know it ran on pump gas, but I wouldn't call it streetable. My Magnum 318 is not very trick. The cam and compression are pretty conservative. It will have a slightly rouch idle, but nothing outrageous. I expect around 300 hp. If this engine isn't enough I've got another 318 block (LA not Magnum), some forged pistons, a 3.45 stroke crank to push the pistons almost to the top of the deck (milling the block will handle the rest), 3 different solid lifter cams to choose from and a single plane intake. That combo should make about 400-425 hp.
08-06-05 | 03:09 AM
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my bad, its a 340, but still impressive none the less .
http://moparmusclemagazine.com/techa.../155_0310_340/
http://moparmusclemagazine.com/techa.../155_0310_340/
08-06-05 | 06:03 PM
#30
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Ok, I saw that one too. They used a ton of expensive stuff in that motor. More so than the W2/tunnel ram combo. I sold my small chamber W2 heads/intake/rocker gear at the beginning of the year. Wish I still had them, but these things come and these things go. At least I sold them for more than I paid.
08-06-05 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Go find a 20B powered RX-7 and see if you're still talking "hemi" after that...
-Ted
-Ted
I'd rather see a 354 or 392 or something than a 426 or a "new-hemi", myself, but hey, can't beat the new-hemi for availability!
08-06-05 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by patman
man this hemi thing really bothers me.
the hemi is an inferior design. The pentroof design that has been used in all piston engines since the discontinuance of the hemi in the early 70s replaced it for a reason. with the pentroff design, it is possible to use more valves per cylinder, and thereby get a more homogeneous charge and a faster flame front. the power is distributed more evenly over the piston surface, so you get better efficiency, more power, and a longer lasting engine.
the hemi is an inferior design. The pentroof design that has been used in all piston engines since the discontinuance of the hemi in the early 70s replaced it for a reason. with the pentroff design, it is possible to use more valves per cylinder, and thereby get a more homogeneous charge and a faster flame front. the power is distributed more evenly over the piston surface, so you get better efficiency, more power, and a longer lasting engine.
It is called a Hemi for two reasons:
1. Marketing.
2. The spark plugs go through the valve cover just like real Hemis did, and are close to the center of the chamber instead of off to the edge like most 2-valve engines.
Really it's just a modern splayed-valve wedge engine. I do like how they put the camshaft so high up in the engine that the pushrods are almost horizontal.
08-06-05 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by peejay
Bone stock 5.7's are putting down over 400 at the crank with a programmable computer. And no prissy turbos either, and great fuel economy...
Is there a reference online for this?
-Ted
08-06-05 | 11:14 PM
#34
actually, i read up on the 'new hemi', and i do see that its not really a true hemi, and doesnt have the deficiencies of one. however, that just proves my point, which is that dodge is just using the hemi name to fool people into thinking they are getting something better. it shows that you can sell a car to the american public by throwing out some technical **** they dont understand, and they will buy it without really thinking about whether its true or not.
marketing is king, just look at the pt cruiser or the focus. best selling cars, that are completely ****.
for some reason that pisses me off.
pat
marketing is king, just look at the pt cruiser or the focus. best selling cars, that are completely ****.
for some reason that pisses me off.
pat
08-06-05 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by patman
man this hemi thing really bothers me.
the hemi is an inferior design. The pentroof design that has been used in all piston engines since the discontinuance of the hemi in the early 70s replaced it for a reason. with the pentroff design, it is possible to use more valves per cylinder, and thereby get a more homogeneous charge and a faster flame front. the power is distributed more evenly over the piston surface, so you get better efficiency, more power, and a longer lasting engine.
the hemi was a really good idea back when everything had side valve and flat top engines, but the pentroof is the next logical step in line. the only reason dodge makes such a big ******* deal about the new hemi stuff is for PR reasons. people remember the old hemis, and how much better they were in their time, so they think that the new ones are better too.
anyway, theres my rant for the day.
pat
the hemi is an inferior design. The pentroof design that has been used in all piston engines since the discontinuance of the hemi in the early 70s replaced it for a reason. with the pentroff design, it is possible to use more valves per cylinder, and thereby get a more homogeneous charge and a faster flame front. the power is distributed more evenly over the piston surface, so you get better efficiency, more power, and a longer lasting engine.
the hemi was a really good idea back when everything had side valve and flat top engines, but the pentroof is the next logical step in line. the only reason dodge makes such a big ******* deal about the new hemi stuff is for PR reasons. people remember the old hemis, and how much better they were in their time, so they think that the new ones are better too.
anyway, theres my rant for the day.
pat
Hell yeah!
08-07-05 | 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RETed
How much does something like this go for in terms of a package?
Is there a reference online for this?
-Ted
Is there a reference online for this?
-Ted
http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2002/ls6.shtml
www.car-part.com to find prices. Looks like around $8k will get you an unmodified 405HP V8 and a six speed tranny.
To squeeze 400 out of a bone stock LS1 with a tune, you'll need a free flowing exhaust and intake - which you will be fabricating if you're doing a swap anyway.
08-07-05 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LT1-10AE
No need to do any ECU programming when 400+ to the crank comes stock
http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2002/ls6.shtml
www.car-part.com to find prices. Looks like around $8k will get you an unmodified 405HP V8 and a six speed tranny.
To squeeze 400 out of a bone stock LS1 with a tune, you'll need a free flowing exhaust and intake - which you will be fabricating if you're doing a swap anyway.
http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2002/ls6.shtml
www.car-part.com to find prices. Looks like around $8k will get you an unmodified 405HP V8 and a six speed tranny.
To squeeze 400 out of a bone stock LS1 with a tune, you'll need a free flowing exhaust and intake - which you will be fabricating if you're doing a swap anyway.
-Ted
08-07-05 | 04:44 AM
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http://popularhotrodding.com/enginem...mi/index1.html
some hemi info, what the heads look like, the heads are HUGE on hemis. true hemis anyway.
some hemi info, what the heads look like, the heads are HUGE on hemis. true hemis anyway.
12-02-07 | 09:01 PM
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Really? !!
man this hemi thing really bothers me.
the hemi is an inferior design. The pentroof design that has been used in all piston engines since the discontinuance of the hemi in the early 70s replaced it for a reason. with the pentroff design, it is possible to use more valves per cylinder, and thereby get a more homogeneous charge and a faster flame front. the power is distributed more evenly over the piston surface, so you get better efficiency, more power, and a longer lasting engine.
the hemi was a really good idea back when everything had side valve and flat top engines, but the pentroof is the next logical step in line. the only reason dodge makes such a big ******* deal about the new hemi stuff is for PR reasons. people remember the old hemis, and how much better they were in their time, so they think that the new ones are better too.
anyway, theres my rant for the day.
pat
the hemi is an inferior design. The pentroof design that has been used in all piston engines since the discontinuance of the hemi in the early 70s replaced it for a reason. with the pentroff design, it is possible to use more valves per cylinder, and thereby get a more homogeneous charge and a faster flame front. the power is distributed more evenly over the piston surface, so you get better efficiency, more power, and a longer lasting engine.
the hemi was a really good idea back when everything had side valve and flat top engines, but the pentroof is the next logical step in line. the only reason dodge makes such a big ******* deal about the new hemi stuff is for PR reasons. people remember the old hemis, and how much better they were in their time, so they think that the new ones are better too.
anyway, theres my rant for the day.
pat
Better to remain silent and thought a FOOL .... than to open your mouth and prove it.
You obviously don't know jack about MOPARS.... or the engineering history surrounding the HEMI's original design intentions, or requirements... Try reading a little....
The original HEIM Combustion Chamber design came from a Supercharged AND Turbo-Charged Aircraft engine design.... The most powerful of its' day... intended for prop fighters. Introduction of the JET age pretty much killed the program..... but the design lived on...
12-02-07 | 09:22 PM
#46
12-02-07 | 09:55 PM
#47
Ya know... Mr Lincoln had a great quote for moments like this:
Better to remain silent and thought a FOOL .... than to open your mouth and prove it.
You obviously don't know jack about MOPARS.... or the engineering history surrounding the HEMI's original design intentions, or requirements... Try reading a little....
The original HEIM Combustion Chamber design came from a Supercharged AND Turbo-Charged Aircraft engine design.... The most powerful of its' day... intended for prop fighters. Introduction of the JET age pretty much killed the program..... but the design lived on...
Better to remain silent and thought a FOOL .... than to open your mouth and prove it.
You obviously don't know jack about MOPARS.... or the engineering history surrounding the HEMI's original design intentions, or requirements... Try reading a little....
The original HEIM Combustion Chamber design came from a Supercharged AND Turbo-Charged Aircraft engine design.... The most powerful of its' day... intended for prop fighters. Introduction of the JET age pretty much killed the program..... but the design lived on...
Twain also said something else which is very applicable to my opinion of you and your reply- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.”
Thanks for playing.
Pat
Last edited by patman; 12-02-07 at 10:02 PM.
07-01-08 | 02:07 AM
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Ya Got Me RainMan
actually, you blithering idiot, not only was your reply to an ancient thread, and not only did it completely lack substance, but Lincoln didn't even say that, it was a gentleman by the name of Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain.)
Twain also said something else which is very applicable to my opinion of you and your reply- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.”
Thanks for playing.
Pat
Twain also said something else which is very applicable to my opinion of you and your reply- “The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.”
Thanks for playing.
Pat
Abraham Lincoln QuotesAbraham Lincoln It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin109276.html - Similar pages
So I paraphrased a little... sue me... However, before you do... my weak minded little wanna be, consider.!!
Confusus say, The essence of knowledge is, having it, to apply it; not having it, to confess your ignorance.
