SleepR1

Well, I've finally decided to read this thread to see what all the action was about. All I can say is WOW! I should have chimed in sooner, but it seems you all have worked out your differences.

I'll be the first to say that suspension tuning for me was limited to fooling around with the Tokico Illumina settings from "3" to "5" I eventually got tired of screwing (sorry for the pun) with the shocks, and went back to the stock Showa R1 shocks. Hah--no more adjustments (YAY!). If I have to get shocks again, I'm getting self-adjusting Bilstein HDs (nuff said)

I hated my old Racing Beat springs...damn things beat the crap out of me on the public roads, and I spun way too often at the open track events. The RBs were great for autocrossing though! Nice quick feeling springs...I replaced the RBs with H&R springs, and am currently using these with stock Showa R1 shocks (which I bought from Mark Valskis with 20,000 miles on the shocks). The combo has been magnificent both, on the open road, and, at open track events. The setup is not good for autocrossing, though...as the H&R's progressive spring rate isn't quick enough to respond to frequent directional transitions that autocrossers deal with in low speed motorsports contests...

Drift-driving and grip driving are two totally different styles of driving. We all know that the object of grip-driving is to turn the fastest laptime, and sliding is counter-productive towards to that end...drifting OTOH, is about self-expression...like free-style skiing ...Drift-driving takes amazing car control skills, which is why you see many inexperienced "drifters" spinning out...they can't hold the drift very long, so they spin out, or straighten out the car...

It's counter-intuitive, but conventional grip-driving requires a softer spring/damper setup..this allows the tires to load up more smoothly, and grip more progressively at high speeds. Drift-driving requires a stiffer suspension with harder rubber compound tires. The stiffer setup loads the tires more quickly, exceeding the tire's ability to grip, which enhances the car's pre-disposition to slide. The skill comes in the driver's ability to KEEP THE CAR SLIDING. Grip drivers will get the car straight and drive on...the drifter doesn't necessarily want to go straight again...

In my experience with this forum...there are very few owners who actually race (whether competitively or on an open track). That's ok, though, as Rx7 owners we can do what we want with our cars (it's a free country, the last time I checked) My point is that we should respect each other's likes/dislikes, and leave it at that...

In my experience with Rishie, he geniunely WANTS TO HELP RX7 FORUM MEMBERS, so his motivation is to offer the best products at the best prices for our Rx7s. You can bet Rishie's done his homework on the products he sells. That homework can be from reading, talking to owners and their product experiences, or from Rishie's own practical experiences. You should know that Rishie will NOT sell us stuff, just because he wants to make a buck!

magicman

I know that all you people are forum brothers, I said that I didn't want to be involved in this insanity any more and that is why I don't normaly get involved with forum chat in the first place: Victor I'm sure you are a good driver and like I said it was not a threat to come to Willow Springs and have fun & you have it all wrong I'm not really a dick at all but you made judgements against people(buttonwillow event) and you were not there and you only admitted this after this whole stupid thing got out of hand. sorry about that man. I don't live in norcal so of course you wouldn't have seen me before xcept at laguna seca last december! I will be at Sears Point in december this year. Hope you all will be there as it will be fun. Drifting and grip run groups go separately. I actuall like to drive both styles and have two different cars that have two totally different set ups. and V8 hunter.... please go back and read all of victors posts and then all of my posts then try to look at it from an un biased view... I was defending people that should not have been bashed in the first place... so I hope you understand....Victor here is some tech info: tein flex may have similar hieght adjustablity but the actual dampener is not comparable to the FLT A2. just look at shaft size, look at actual shock dyno's if you want them i can fax 'em to you. JIC USA will actually take the time to make you a custom set up for your specific driving style, will tein do that for you or do you just get some jdm suspension in a box? please send me pm if you want to discuss it more.
if you like tein thats good cuz they make nice stuff too but it is not really in the same ball park as FLT A2 it like comparing green grapes to purple grapes I mean they're both grapes but obviously different and some people like green ones and some people like purple ones. I hope that this comment is not another insult to you

the_glass_man

iTrader: (2)

Well I've got TEIN HA's with Pillow Mounts for about $1,300.00 from Modacar.com
I looked at all of the Coilovers, from Apex-Ziel. For my use (street with auto-x, track, drag) they were the best bang for the buck.
I'm very happy with mine, and the quality is outstanding.
Being able to adjust to 24 different settings is nice too.

SleepR1

Gawd, that would drive me insane!

the_glass_man

iTrader: (2)

It can be a pain at first, once you get use to setup, and figure out what you like. Its a very nice feature.

BATMAN

I just need two settings.

Hard or soft.

hence, Koni's

And get ur minds outta the gutter or I will curse u to drice a Focus

ARD T2

iTrader: (22)

Manny thank you so much. I was wondering where you were.

Alain, you're the last thing we need in here. hehe. All is peaceful in the rotary world once again. Still love you guys. We do have the best group of guys/community of enthusiasts out there. Hands down.

Rishie

ttb

art t2, did you get my pm?

ARD T2

iTrader: (22)

****, I did. I'll PM you.

Rishie

neo_omega

you pay too much. I know someone pay $900 for his. But he will kill me, if I tell you guy who he is.

Jerk_Racer

You can tell us. It'll be our little secret. We won't rat you out.

ARD T2

iTrader: (22)

Neo Omega, is that with pillowballs for 900.

neo_omega

Yeah with pillowballs also. it's brand new.

the_glass_man

iTrader: (2)

Well I've had mine for 4-5 months, and feel they were worth every penny. I also highly doubt that that includes the pillow mounts as they are an extra $250-$350.

osdesigns

We are offering TEIN HA with and without pillow ball mounts.

Interested forum members should feel free to PM me.

fdracer

neo omega tell goddammit

neo_omega

I'm not in business selling them nor the person I know in business selling them. I just say what he told ma. I believe him. But I really can't tell you guys who he is and where he get it. It probably a one time deal.

ggyygg88

yo guys since we're on the subject of jdm coilovers...whats the verdict on the ZEAL's and CUSCO's. personally i am very interested in the ZEAL B2's. anyways in the honda world its all about ZEAL's TEIN's and BUDDY CLUB's so i was wondering what u guys thought about them.

voodooracing

you should just start another thread about the ZEAL vs Cuscos

SleepR1

That's fine, but no price wars and name-calling!!!

CCarlisi

Here is an analogy to clarify what Neo is saying (w/o his permission and w no factual background

Think of the seller of the shocks as a wiry male with substance abuse problems, severe soft tissue injuries (that could have been inflicted with an aluminum baseball bat), carrying a duffle bag, four blocks, a lug wrench and a mini jack. Think of the point of purchase as a dark parking lot in a not so nice part of town. Think of the TEIN display case as a parked RX7.

Think of his friend as a really big guy with substance abuse problems, a knack for chemistry, a permanent mailing address in Columbia and connections to other really big guys of the same profile. Think of this group of big guys collectively as a baseball team.

Think about the $900 purchase price that his friend paid not as currency but instead as a 1/2 brick of cocaine that was tendered several weeks before the shocks were received. Think of this guy’s failure to pay his friend as a bounced check. Think of the TEIN shocks as an offer to complete the deal by bartering. Think of the baseball team not being satisfied with this and deciding to take the other guy for a ride to talk about it. Think about them not having enough room in the car so the guy bartering the shocks had to ride in the trunk. Think about the effect this would have on his friend’s supply of TEIN shocks.

Now with this in mind re read what Neo wrote and see if it makes sense.

Capish?

ARD T2

iTrader: (22)

Wow. That was a story.

magicman

and that is why people think that they can get some unbelievable deal on some parts eh? did those coil overs come with wheels too?

SleepR1