TEIN HA where do i get them?
#26
I'm letting a fellow FD owner borrow all of my Japanese RX-7 magazines at the moment so I cannot reference them, but one of the later issues (11 perhaps?) has a full test of virtually every shock setup available for the FD.
I do remember there being a review for several of the Tein's and the JIC's as well.
The Flex seems to be more street oriented than the HA's (Tein). Rust on the Tein's appears on the threads just below the shock adjustment *****. I live on the coast in Florida where salty air is very corrosive. Mine are already rusting. It doesn't seem to be a problem of any great consequence. The shock body threads are stainless and will not rust.
The major advantage to the JIC's, as Rishie said, is the ability to adjust ride height and not affect shock stroke length. The "upper crust" Tein's now offer this as well (RA/RE). The HA's do not.
I own the HA's and my car is "fairly" low, about as low as you can go with a fiberglass front end and be daily driveable. There's no gap between the wheel/fender, about even. After having the shocks installed incorrectly (do it yourself next time I say!) I thought the ride was pretty abrupt/harsh. After installing them correctly, the car has been transformed. I'm running around on the 12 setting and it's about as harsh as a stock ZO6.
According to a friend and FD enthusiast (regular track attendee), the Tein's are just "ok", not great. Aragosta is the hot ticket in Japan right now. About $2500 though :-)
The other advantage of the JIC is the monotube design. The outer tube, if I remember correctly, is larger in diameter as well, which in turn makes for a stiffer shock. I estimate the Tein's to be around 40mm, I believe, off hand, the JIC's are what 45mm?
Michel
I do remember there being a review for several of the Tein's and the JIC's as well.
The Flex seems to be more street oriented than the HA's (Tein). Rust on the Tein's appears on the threads just below the shock adjustment *****. I live on the coast in Florida where salty air is very corrosive. Mine are already rusting. It doesn't seem to be a problem of any great consequence. The shock body threads are stainless and will not rust.
The major advantage to the JIC's, as Rishie said, is the ability to adjust ride height and not affect shock stroke length. The "upper crust" Tein's now offer this as well (RA/RE). The HA's do not.
I own the HA's and my car is "fairly" low, about as low as you can go with a fiberglass front end and be daily driveable. There's no gap between the wheel/fender, about even. After having the shocks installed incorrectly (do it yourself next time I say!) I thought the ride was pretty abrupt/harsh. After installing them correctly, the car has been transformed. I'm running around on the 12 setting and it's about as harsh as a stock ZO6.
According to a friend and FD enthusiast (regular track attendee), the Tein's are just "ok", not great. Aragosta is the hot ticket in Japan right now. About $2500 though :-)
The other advantage of the JIC is the monotube design. The outer tube, if I remember correctly, is larger in diameter as well, which in turn makes for a stiffer shock. I estimate the Tein's to be around 40mm, I believe, off hand, the JIC's are what 45mm?
Michel
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i have a set of Tein HA's on my car, and I'm completely happy with the "streetability" of this setup, Even on San Francisco's notoriously bad roads I don't think the ride is too harsh with the standard spring rates.
I've had them for almost a year now, and no rust has appeared, especially being right next to the coast I thought it might be a big deal, but it seems to be just a myth. (or has been fixed with the newer revisions)
I've had them for almost a year now, and no rust has appeared, especially being right next to the coast I thought it might be a big deal, but it seems to be just a myth. (or has been fixed with the newer revisions)
#28
Ghost Ride the Whip
How will the ride be affected by simply changing out spring rates? I know the dampening is externally adjustable but will it be within the limits needed for the lower spring rates that he'll be running?
Thanks,
Here's a question for you Rishie, do you have any experience road racing or at least auto-x? You always seem to be pushing JIC products even though you can get Tein, is there a particular reason for it? What type of suspension do you use and why did you choose to use it?
#29
What I've found is that the spring rates are very high on those models and would not be comfortable for the street. Otherwise I would have to agree with you.
If you think this spring rate is too stiff, you obviously have never road raced. If you care about ride comfort so much, go home and cry to mama, and use stock springs.
JIC has taken the necessary adjustments to the dampening and spring rates to give the best of both worlds.
did you ever compare the difference on each web sites? 16k on the SF1 is the same as the TEIN RA... how much softer can the JIC be with the same spring rate?
#30
How will the ride be affected by simply changing out spring rates? I know the dampening is externally adjustable but will it be within the limits needed for the lower spring rates that he'll be running?
To stiff up the shocks will only dampens/transform the viberation faster, thats why you feel the car is stiffer, but it actually just bounces less. On the other hand, if the shock is on a lower setting, the movement on the spring does not stop quickly thus give a smoother transition to the driver.
So if a shock is designed to dampen a stiffer spring. Such as the Type RE (which is designed to take viberation out of 895lb/in springs) when it is put on the job to dampen a 559lbs/in spring it should be well with in its limit.
#31
I am have explained enough, we are here to help the forum members. I can get both of these products for a good price. However, in the real world racing experiences and suggestion of many reputable racers. TEIN is more affordable, more value for money spent, more selection to choose from, and finally, proven on the track.
I will try to offer the lowest price possible to all forum members.
Just PM me if any one is interested.
I will try to offer the lowest price possible to all forum members.
Just PM me if any one is interested.
#32
Just remember when changing the original spring rate on these shocks that optimally, you want damping characteristics to match, which means custom valving.
The stock Tein HA springs are a pretty good starting point for a roadrace setup, although if you go with say 18x10's all around with sticky Hoosiers, something like the RE's may be a better choice. I know the RE Amemiya car (white one with the sequential box) runs what, 18Kg f/r? Crazy...that'd knock all my fillings out! :-)
The next chance I get, I'll take pics of where my Tein's are rusting and post it to this thread. I may have the "old" stock as I heard they made some changes in materials on the newer HA (black threaded body like the Flex now?)
Also, the JIC's, thanks to a larger diameter piston and shock body, would have theoretically, better damping thanks to an increase in fluid transfer at any given shaft velocity. Most of the high end suspension uses 45 or even 46mm shock bodies.
Michel
The stock Tein HA springs are a pretty good starting point for a roadrace setup, although if you go with say 18x10's all around with sticky Hoosiers, something like the RE's may be a better choice. I know the RE Amemiya car (white one with the sequential box) runs what, 18Kg f/r? Crazy...that'd knock all my fillings out! :-)
The next chance I get, I'll take pics of where my Tein's are rusting and post it to this thread. I may have the "old" stock as I heard they made some changes in materials on the newer HA (black threaded body like the Flex now?)
Also, the JIC's, thanks to a larger diameter piston and shock body, would have theoretically, better damping thanks to an increase in fluid transfer at any given shaft velocity. Most of the high end suspension uses 45 or even 46mm shock bodies.
Michel
#33
Ghost Ride the Whip
Also, the JIC's, thanks to a larger diameter piston and shock body, would have theoretically, better damping thanks to an increase in fluid transfer at any given shaft velocity. Most of the high end suspension uses 45 or even 46mm shock bodies.
I used to run Mazdaspeeds on my car and they were great. I drove both neofreaks car (TEIN HA) and VoodooRacing's car (TEIN RE) and both handled even better.
I drove someone else's FD who had JIC suspension, and was not impressed. Although they did not totally suck, it is not worth the hefty price. I think if you got a set of koni yellows with ground controls, it would handle better.
#35
I have TEIN type RE on my car, currently setup to road race. The shocks are perfectly valved for the 895lbs/in springs no doubt... they work great at high speed cornerings, and with kumos, together they make the handeling of the car like a dream. I am very satisfy with my setup.
I will probably try 1fookntitefd's alignment settings to further improve the handeling. Other than that, type RE to me was an excellent choice.
I will probably try 1fookntitefd's alignment settings to further improve the handeling. Other than that, type RE to me was an excellent choice.
#36
Rotary Freak
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1fookn,
You misunderstood my question. I was asking, in your opinion, "How will the ride be affected when you simply change the spring rates on the RE model?" Do they simply change the spring rates or adjust dampening as well?
Does that make sense? Please refrain from being sarcastic next time. Remember that we all may see things from a different perspective. I'm sorry that my statement may have caused you to ponder my knowledge of suspension. If something is that simple to understand I would understand it. So I'd suggest reading the question in a different manner.
OS, thanks for answering my question that I intiially asked Fookn. Victor thanks for trying to be an ***. It didn't work. Your sarcasm has no place here.
We're simply here to go through a logical decision making process and that's what's being documented. If I don't ask questions that customer's should ask there would not be complete information in this transcript. Comprende. Just doing my job man.
But what OS is saying is that they dampening is not changed, but within limits of the lower spring rate. My next question is:
Does that mean you have less "usable clicks" with the suspension because only a few will have the dampening abilities to remain comfortable?
"You're Welcome",
Rishie
You misunderstood my question. I was asking, in your opinion, "How will the ride be affected when you simply change the spring rates on the RE model?" Do they simply change the spring rates or adjust dampening as well?
Does that make sense? Please refrain from being sarcastic next time. Remember that we all may see things from a different perspective. I'm sorry that my statement may have caused you to ponder my knowledge of suspension. If something is that simple to understand I would understand it. So I'd suggest reading the question in a different manner.
OS, thanks for answering my question that I intiially asked Fookn. Victor thanks for trying to be an ***. It didn't work. Your sarcasm has no place here.
We're simply here to go through a logical decision making process and that's what's being documented. If I don't ask questions that customer's should ask there would not be complete information in this transcript. Comprende. Just doing my job man.
But what OS is saying is that they dampening is not changed, but within limits of the lower spring rate. My next question is:
Does that mean you have less "usable clicks" with the suspension because only a few will have the dampening abilities to remain comfortable?
"You're Welcome",
Rishie
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#37
"How will the ride be affected when you simply change the spring rates on the RE model?" Do they simply change the spring rates or adjust dampening as well?
Does that make sense?
If something is that simple to understand I would understand it. So I'd suggest reading the question in a different manner.
Does that make sense?
If something is that simple to understand I would understand it. So I'd suggest reading the question in a different manner.
#38
they dampening is not changed, but within limits of the lower spring rate. My next question is:
Does that mean you have less "usable clicks" with the suspension because only a few will have the dampening abilities to remain comfortable?
Does that mean you have less "usable clicks" with the suspension because only a few will have the dampening abilities to remain comfortable?
The dampening ability is determined by the shock valving and the tube designs, but they only dampens viberation, not to control ride comfort.
You don't get less "usable clicks" by changing the spring rate. The "clicks" are just to modify the valves in the shock to allow more or less by-pass for the shock movement. Therefor you will still see (feel) the difference in each settings.
When a shock abosorber is designed to have the ability to dampen a X lb/in spring, it is usually capable of dampening springs with < X lb/in.
Most well-designed shock abosorbers are valved for the spring-rate of the springs that equipped with the "coil-over kit."
Since The TEIN Type RE are equipped with 895lb/in springs. Most likely they are able to dampen the softer spring rate springs available seperately from TEIN.
#39
JIC FLT A2 series suspension is a single mono tube design dampener with 45 mm piston size. I has 15 way adjustavble dampening and ride hieght is adjustable separate from lower spring perch. it has a retail of 1850.00 and comes with pillow ball mounts. It is available in U.S. spec and in JDM spec. All repair parts are available in U.S. now for all you people out there that think you are racers... check out how many drifters in the D1 in Japan use tien and how many use JIC, JIC has a car in the Formula Nippon races (with 5Zigen), see how much more motor sports parts are made by JIC compared to tein, does tein have any cars in the N1 series? How about JGTCC? Hmmm. Now you tell me who has more experience in making high performance suspension.
Both suspension companies make a good product it is just a matter of if you want true performance or you want some twin tube dampener that you can change your ride height with. Look in an options magazine or drift tengoku, or carboy or battle magazine or young version.... you will find that the feature cars have JIC component while the only tein stuff you see is usually in an advertisement that is paid for. Even Tanaguchi uses JIC adjustable arms on his 2001 D1 Championship S-15.
This guy is sponsored by HKS but he still uses the best stuff....hmmm.
Both suspension companies make a good product it is just a matter of if you want true performance or you want some twin tube dampener that you can change your ride height with. Look in an options magazine or drift tengoku, or carboy or battle magazine or young version.... you will find that the feature cars have JIC component while the only tein stuff you see is usually in an advertisement that is paid for. Even Tanaguchi uses JIC adjustable arms on his 2001 D1 Championship S-15.
This guy is sponsored by HKS but he still uses the best stuff....hmmm.
#40
whatever Rishie...
magicman:
JIC FLT A2 series suspension is a single mono tube design dampener with 45 mm piston size. I has 15 way adjustavble dampening and ride hieght is adjustable separate from lower spring perch. it has a retail of 1850.00 and comes with pillow ball mounts. It is available in U.S. spec and in JDM spec. All repair parts are available in U.S. now for all you people out there that think you are racers... check out how many drifters in the D1 in Japan use tien and how many use JIC, JIC has a car in the Formula Nippon races (with 5Zigen), see how much more motor sports parts are made by JIC compared to tein, does tein have any cars in the N1 series? How about JGTCC? Hmmm. Now you tell me who has more experience in making high performance suspension.
Both suspension companies make a good product it is just a matter of if you want true performance or you want some twin tube dampener that you can change your ride height with. Look in an options magazine or drift tengoku, or carboy or battle magazine or young version.... you will find that the feature cars have JIC component while the only tein stuff you see is usually in an advertisement that is paid for. Even Tanaguchi uses JIC adjustable arms on his 2001 D1 Championship S-15.
This guy is sponsored by HKS but he still uses the best stuff....hmmm.
JIC FLT A2 series suspension is a single mono tube design dampener with 45 mm piston size. I has 15 way adjustavble dampening and ride hieght is adjustable separate from lower spring perch. it has a retail of 1850.00 and comes with pillow ball mounts. It is available in U.S. spec and in JDM spec. All repair parts are available in U.S. now for all you people out there that think you are racers... check out how many drifters in the D1 in Japan use tien and how many use JIC, JIC has a car in the Formula Nippon races (with 5Zigen), see how much more motor sports parts are made by JIC compared to tein, does tein have any cars in the N1 series? How about JGTCC? Hmmm. Now you tell me who has more experience in making high performance suspension.
Both suspension companies make a good product it is just a matter of if you want true performance or you want some twin tube dampener that you can change your ride height with. Look in an options magazine or drift tengoku, or carboy or battle magazine or young version.... you will find that the feature cars have JIC component while the only tein stuff you see is usually in an advertisement that is paid for. Even Tanaguchi uses JIC adjustable arms on his 2001 D1 Championship S-15.
This guy is sponsored by HKS but he still uses the best stuff....hmmm.
#41
Ride comfort is affected greatly by compression damping. Damping curves are measured in stiffness versus shaft speed. See some graphs here:
http://www.rx7turboturbo.com/Graphs/default.htm
When you hit a bump, you get into the high shaft speeds. If you have a shock that gets very stiff up there, you are going to have a very jarring ride. That is what makes the GAB super-R shocks rough on the street. Different shocks have different properties. Two different shocks could be matched to the chassis and spring rates and yield a very different ride quality. Properties also change with temps (shocks get hot during a lapping session); large diameter pistons yield more consistent performance than smaller pistons, generally.
I've never driven a car with TEINs or JICs -- just sharing some info. Suspension stuff is so much more complicated than power stuff! Lap times aren't nearly as objective as Dynojet numbers.
-Max
http://www.rx7turboturbo.com/Graphs/default.htm
When you hit a bump, you get into the high shaft speeds. If you have a shock that gets very stiff up there, you are going to have a very jarring ride. That is what makes the GAB super-R shocks rough on the street. Different shocks have different properties. Two different shocks could be matched to the chassis and spring rates and yield a very different ride quality. Properties also change with temps (shocks get hot during a lapping session); large diameter pistons yield more consistent performance than smaller pistons, generally.
I've never driven a car with TEINs or JICs -- just sharing some info. Suspension stuff is so much more complicated than power stuff! Lap times aren't nearly as objective as Dynojet numbers.
-Max
#42
Ghost Ride the Whip
JIC FLT A2 series suspension is a single mono tube design dampener with 45 mm piston size. I has 15 way adjustavble dampening and ride hieght is adjustable separate from lower spring perch. it has a retail of 1850.00 and comes with pillow ball mounts. It is available in U.S. spec and in JDM spec. All repair parts are available in U.S. now for all you people out there that think you are racers... check out how many drifters in the D1 in Japan use tien and how many use JIC, JIC has a car in the Formula Nippon races (with 5Zigen), see how much more motor sports parts are made by JIC compared to tein, does tein have any cars in the N1 series? How about JGTCC? Hmmm. Now you tell me who has more experience in making high performance suspension.
#43
Rotary Freak
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All I have to say is that's some funny ****. Y'all looked at the profile and thought that was me posting. Well it wasn't. But it's nice to see some official representation.
I'm just here to learn. The initial point we were trying to make with JIC is the "bang for buck" as well as the "customability" of this suspension via Ziel Motorsports and Jon Kaneda's documented talents. I'm not sure who at Tein would be doing your tuning but I'm confident that Jon is taking into high regard what our US "asses" like in both the street and track environment.
I don't understand how this has gotten out of proportion. I could get Tein cheaper and easier than JIC yet I choose to use it and expose it. I wouldn't do so if I didn't have confidence in the product. Tein has received much well deserved hype but it's practically blinded all others from even looking at other options. I'm just here to expose those options. With the help of gentlemen like yourselves, as well as my experience with the products we should be able to come to a consensus as to who, why, and what situations are the most ideal for different types of suspensions.
You say I sound like a JIC salesperson, well you equally sound like a Tein salesman. That argument has no merit. We are here to educate not instigate. hehe. Chill out and let's all just open our eyes a little. I'm sorry if I've come on "strong". I don't see that, but to each their own.
Rishie
I'm just here to learn. The initial point we were trying to make with JIC is the "bang for buck" as well as the "customability" of this suspension via Ziel Motorsports and Jon Kaneda's documented talents. I'm not sure who at Tein would be doing your tuning but I'm confident that Jon is taking into high regard what our US "asses" like in both the street and track environment.
I don't understand how this has gotten out of proportion. I could get Tein cheaper and easier than JIC yet I choose to use it and expose it. I wouldn't do so if I didn't have confidence in the product. Tein has received much well deserved hype but it's practically blinded all others from even looking at other options. I'm just here to expose those options. With the help of gentlemen like yourselves, as well as my experience with the products we should be able to come to a consensus as to who, why, and what situations are the most ideal for different types of suspensions.
You say I sound like a JIC salesperson, well you equally sound like a Tein salesman. That argument has no merit. We are here to educate not instigate. hehe. Chill out and let's all just open our eyes a little. I'm sorry if I've come on "strong". I don't see that, but to each their own.
Rishie
#44
TEIN Type RE series suspension is also a mono tube design dampener with 45 mm piston size, but has a 14mm rod diameter! It has "24" way adjustavble dampening and ride hieght is adjustable separate from lower spring perch. You can get it for 1850.00 and it comes with pillow ball mounts too.
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#46
Ghost Ride the Whip
I'm just here to learn. The initial point we were trying to make with JIC is the "bang for buck" as well as the "customability" of this suspension via Ziel Motorsports and Jon Kaneda's documented talents. I'm not sure who at Tein would be doing your tuning but I'm confident that Jon is taking into high regard what our US "asses" like in both the street and track environment.
I don't understand how this has gotten out of proportion. I could get Tein cheaper and easier than JIC yet I choose to use it and expose it. I wouldn't do so if I didn't have confidence in the product. Tein has received much well deserved hype but it's practically blinded all others from even looking at other options. I'm just here to expose those options. With the help of gentlemen like yourselves, as well as my experience with the products we should be able to come to a consensus as to who, why, and what situations are the most ideal for different types of suspensions.
You say I sound like a JIC salesperson, well you equally sound like a Tein salesman. That argument has no merit. We are here to educate not instigate. hehe. Chill out and let's all just open our eyes a little. I'm sorry if I've come on "strong". I don't see that, but to each their own.
#47
Ride comfort is affected greatly by compression damping.
When you hit a bump, you get into the high shaft speeds. If you have a shock that gets very stiff up there, you are going to have a very jarring ride. That is what makes the GAB super-R shocks rough on the street. Different shocks have different properties. Two different shocks could be matched to the chassis and spring rates and yield a very different ride quality. Properties also change with temps (shocks get hot during a lapping session); large diameter pistons yield more consistent performance than smaller pistons, generally.
It is logcal that when you have a "stiffer" shock, your ride comfort may suffer. But again, its just that the spring motion is being removed (energy transfered) faster and that is why you can result a jarring ride, and spring rate still is the main issue. Stiffer spring is going to be stiffer! It doesn't matter how many adjustment there is on the shock, or how well its designed.
#48
Originally posted by osdesigns
It is logcal that when you have a "stiffer" shock, your ride comfort may suffer. But again, its just that the spring motion is being removed (energy transfered) faster and that is why you can result a jarring ride, and spring rate still is the main issue. Stiffer spring is going to be stiffer! It doesn't matter how many adjustment there is on the shock, or how well its designed.
It is logcal that when you have a "stiffer" shock, your ride comfort may suffer. But again, its just that the spring motion is being removed (energy transfered) faster and that is why you can result a jarring ride, and spring rate still is the main issue. Stiffer spring is going to be stiffer! It doesn't matter how many adjustment there is on the shock, or how well its designed.
That said, I can't figure out why the R1 has a harsher ride than the Touring model from looking at the shock dyno graphs. They both have the same springs, but the R model shocks actually have less compression damping than the non-R shocks. Does anyone know what is going on here?
-Max
#49
Rotary Freak
iTrader: (22)
$1850.00 is not what the club members pay for their FLTA2's. I'm simply quoting list prices over the internet. Are the JIC's a good deal at $1600.00, 1500?
Victor, where would you price the JIC's out at being a better value than Tein REs?
As far as Roadracing, several of you know that I've been continually prepping my S5 FCs for road, drag, and autox as I have three with equally different setups. It has been impossible for me to complete these vehicles prior to this season ending. Not only that but we've been prepping cars for show to work with Mazda North America for their events up here. Specifically the 3rd gen protege applications.
As far as autox, we do run the MP3 at the track. SCCA. I may not be as versed as you or max in terms of roadracing but that doesn't mean I don't research products before offering them to clients.
With JIC I've been very happy with the ride comfortability on the street. I've been exposing JIC in most threads where people ask about Teins because more often that not those people are looking for the HA's which to me is not a worthy suspension. I like the fact the one can set the preload independently from the ride height of the vehicle. A trait that the JIC's have at a very good price.
I think it all comes down to your functionality. If you're mostly a street and occasional track individual the JIC's may suit you better. However if you are mostly tracking the vehicle then the higher spring rates and dampening of the J-spec may suit your needs better.
I base my decisions on the fact that JIC has been redeveloping their suspension to suit our preferences. That's all. I guess time will just have to pass in order for JIC to make an impression here on the street and track.
I too mentioned that Teins can be had from us as well but I pointed out another option. You're getting too worked up. The vehicles we've installed and used the JIC's on were great. If we weren't satisfied I would not be advocating it.
I'll just be reading this post from now since you guys have so much more experience than me. I'm sorry I opened my mouth. LOL!!!!
I'll see ya at the next meet if we have one.
Rishie
PS, based on what MAx has pointed out the dampening will surely have an effect on the ride quality as well. Therefore if the RE's standard rates are simply changed to a much lower spring rate it would have an adverse affect on the ride simply because the dampening had not been changed to work in unison with the lower spring rates. Is this assumption correct oh mighty ones?
Victor, where would you price the JIC's out at being a better value than Tein REs?
As far as Roadracing, several of you know that I've been continually prepping my S5 FCs for road, drag, and autox as I have three with equally different setups. It has been impossible for me to complete these vehicles prior to this season ending. Not only that but we've been prepping cars for show to work with Mazda North America for their events up here. Specifically the 3rd gen protege applications.
As far as autox, we do run the MP3 at the track. SCCA. I may not be as versed as you or max in terms of roadracing but that doesn't mean I don't research products before offering them to clients.
With JIC I've been very happy with the ride comfortability on the street. I've been exposing JIC in most threads where people ask about Teins because more often that not those people are looking for the HA's which to me is not a worthy suspension. I like the fact the one can set the preload independently from the ride height of the vehicle. A trait that the JIC's have at a very good price.
I think it all comes down to your functionality. If you're mostly a street and occasional track individual the JIC's may suit you better. However if you are mostly tracking the vehicle then the higher spring rates and dampening of the J-spec may suit your needs better.
I base my decisions on the fact that JIC has been redeveloping their suspension to suit our preferences. That's all. I guess time will just have to pass in order for JIC to make an impression here on the street and track.
I too mentioned that Teins can be had from us as well but I pointed out another option. You're getting too worked up. The vehicles we've installed and used the JIC's on were great. If we weren't satisfied I would not be advocating it.
I'll just be reading this post from now since you guys have so much more experience than me. I'm sorry I opened my mouth. LOL!!!!
I'll see ya at the next meet if we have one.
Rishie
PS, based on what MAx has pointed out the dampening will surely have an effect on the ride quality as well. Therefore if the RE's standard rates are simply changed to a much lower spring rate it would have an adverse affect on the ride simply because the dampening had not been changed to work in unison with the lower spring rates. Is this assumption correct oh mighty ones?
#50
To a certain extent that's correct, but as you adjust the shock (it's two-way adjustable via one adjustment) the compression characteristics change as well. Any motorcycle roadracers are well versed in using spring rates and compression damping. I've only owned one motorcycle which didn't have fully (two way/preload) adjustment. You can get pretty lost in your suspension setup with so many adjustments. Anyhoo...
What will make the biggest difference on the track, ultimately, is spring rate and it's f/r corner to corner balance (height and spring weight). On the street, I'm willing to bet that 99% of those participating in this thread could tell the difference between the two. I'll have to do more research on JIC's racing "heritage", but as a Tein HA owner, I'd at least take a look at the adjustable JIC's if they came in a few hundred below the RE's. An 800lb. spring is really overkill on the street, especially in wet conditions, so if someone goes with the RE for street, I'd get softer springs without a second thought. I'd also find out if the damping range for the RE will cover your spring choice without custom valving. JIC may be more "responsive" in delivering a custom shock to suit your needs although I've heard Tein is now established with a shop here in the U.S. as well. Maybe the extra customer service via Rishie and JIC is worth a few extra bucks.
For me, I've installed and forgotten mine. I've had virtually no track time this year (working too much) so the Tein HA model has proved satisfactory. If you're a track junkie, I'd go with the shock that best meets your needs there, a shock that's matched to carefully considered spring rates. Oh, almost forgot...the HA's, are they still being produced? The latest Tein ad did not list them.
Michel
What will make the biggest difference on the track, ultimately, is spring rate and it's f/r corner to corner balance (height and spring weight). On the street, I'm willing to bet that 99% of those participating in this thread could tell the difference between the two. I'll have to do more research on JIC's racing "heritage", but as a Tein HA owner, I'd at least take a look at the adjustable JIC's if they came in a few hundred below the RE's. An 800lb. spring is really overkill on the street, especially in wet conditions, so if someone goes with the RE for street, I'd get softer springs without a second thought. I'd also find out if the damping range for the RE will cover your spring choice without custom valving. JIC may be more "responsive" in delivering a custom shock to suit your needs although I've heard Tein is now established with a shop here in the U.S. as well. Maybe the extra customer service via Rishie and JIC is worth a few extra bucks.
For me, I've installed and forgotten mine. I've had virtually no track time this year (working too much) so the Tein HA model has proved satisfactory. If you're a track junkie, I'd go with the shock that best meets your needs there, a shock that's matched to carefully considered spring rates. Oh, almost forgot...the HA's, are they still being produced? The latest Tein ad did not list them.
Michel