how many miles have people put on these coilovers so far (speedjunkie, TT_FD3S, etc.)?

 

I'd say about 1,500 to 2,000 miles maybe. About 1,200 of those highway from NC to MO and back.

 

My car goes in tomorrow around 11 or so. I will do a review after driving on them for a while. I wanted the 10/10 spring rate, but it was taking forever so I just settled for 12/12 rates as many people have been said it isn't that harsh. My car is a daily driving so I'm getting them mostly for comfort and for the aggressive drop.

 

^I thought you had them in already. Good luck with them, they handle really well, I take corners SO much faster now.

 

Fixed.
Sorry, that's AntiVenom7, not AntiVenom, just in case someone was looking him up.

 

I have put close to 2k on them, mainly highway, and I am still satisfied. My car is mainly street driven. As 'speedjunkie' said earlier, you can take turns quite well with these coilovers. Once again, you cannot beat the price.

Marc

 

What spring rate did you go with?

12/12?

 

Update: did some spirited driving on some curvy back roads with other club members Sat. night, and I upped the setting on each corner by about 2 (I don't remember what they were set at before, I upped the back by 2 so I think it was 8 or 9, and I turned the fronts all the way down and went back up to 10). I'm very happy with the results. I didn't remember to take note of how they handled on those roads, but on the highway it actually didn't ride any worse than a lower setting like I thought it would. The springs play so much a larger part in the ride quality than I thought. I know I need to replace my rear tires though, lol. On the way to work this morning I took a turn that was about 75-80 degrees, and to test the cornering (as I always love to do ) I punched it about half way through. It was about the time the rear started sliding out that I remembered about the tires, lol. Dry road, two lanes, it was a suprising but good time. I really like these coilovers. Once again, I wish the spring rate was a little lower, but overall I'm very happy.

 

Yes, but the cars should feel about the same in stiffness. This is because the suspension on the FD places leverage on the spring (typical with upper/lower control arms) so they need a stiffer spring to counter that. I bet if you calculated the wheel frequency of both cars, it would be about the same. So.... the FD suspension makes that 12k spring feel like the FC's 9k spring.

Progressive spring rates mean non-linear. Thus, they can make the spring seem soft when your just cruzing around, but A LOT firmer as the springs compress. This may sound like the best solution to have a soft ride and good handling but it doesn't work out that well. This kind of setup can be good for the street (most OEM springs seem to be progressive these days) but can feel strange going around the track. Generally, race cars and such have linear spring rates.
There is no standard to measure progressive rate springs, they can take away confidence from handling and they are hard to valve a shock to.



I'm kinda disapointed right now since my car is not drivable yet and I'm not making the kind of money this summer that i thought i would. looks like no coil overs for me for a while..

 

yup, that is what i meant

although i can't quite figure out why a lot of people go with equal-rate front/rear on the FD...

 

I dont have an FD but the equal spring rate might be ok because of other suspension components like sway bars. We also dont know if the leverage of the rear suspension is different then the front. If it has more, then it woudlnt really be like a 12k spring for reasons stated above. how does the car handel with the 12k rates? whats it like at the limits?

 

ok so the FC reviews? anyone?

 

i found a big long thead about these coilovers at ziptied.com forums:
http://www.ziptied.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7355

it's a pretty good read front to back.
and the 240 coilovers shouldn't be too much different from the FC, at least if you are just comparing build quality and what not.

 

Just bringing this thread back up.

If you go to the stance website, http://www.stancesus.com/
you will now see that they have updated their product line. they now offer 3 different coilovers for the FC, and 2 coilovers for the FD.

i think most surprisingly is they have an external reservoir coilover system for the FC and it is priced at $1995.

i was going to get coilovers last summer but decided to go Shock/Spring for the time being (i haven't been to track as much as i would like). the Stance coilovers though still look promising, and i may get a set sometime in the near future.

 

just wanted to bump this thread to see how feedback was on the system and to see if anyone has tried the new GP+ three setup with independent adjustments and external resevoirs.

 

Well, after reading this thread, I am very interested in the Stance coilovers. Specifically the Gr+ examples for the FC3S. These seem to be of good quality and built with daily driving in mind, intead of track specific units. How did the shock dyno testing go? Can someone please post some results for us? Thanks.

 

I would like to see the dyno of these too. Some how i dont think anyone did it... I have learned a lot about the theory of dampers (and still learning!) since i started this thread. I still am planing on getting a pair of these coilovers but thats not going to happen untill i get my engine swap finished.

I would also like to know what happened with the 3-way adjustable damper they had. I think it was called the "+3" of somthing to that extent. I couldnt believe that there was a 3-way adjustable damper, let alone for my car, at that price. Now it seems i was right not to believe!

 

i'm not sure what happened to them. they are not (no longer?) pictured on the website.

they were for sale, and offered up in preliminary group buys on various forums.
i can still find s13/s14 three ways for sale on a few websites

 

The GR+3 has been discontinued and is undergoing a new design. It was just too much for the standard user and I don't believe the lamen would be able to set them up.

To my knowledge i haven't seen any dynos of these coilovers and am not sure if someone has done so.

Those of you who have received your replacement uppermounts please email me once you've tested them so i can get back on Stance to make sure this is resolved.

sales@autornd.com

Thanks, Rishie

 

I remember when they first came out I was thinking that it was too good to be true, looks like I was right. Too much for such a young and inexperianced company to take on and it didn't work out and now it needs a redesign.

The bigger players who are experienced in this field have a hard enough time making a good multiple adjustment coilover with minimal cross talk, isolated high and low speed adjustments and so on.

 

Ok so just to be specific and clear about the GR+3, don't want people to be misled.

1. They are simply redesigning the location of the External reservoir for Macpherson Strut Vehicles. Similar to Moton where they come up through the uppermounts and can be mounted to the STB. This takes time because they have to engineer a new quick release and a refill canister for the nitrogen. Each time this is disconnected there will be a slight loss of gas.

2. THE GR+3 can still be special ordered but only to people who would be competent enough to set them up.

3. For the FC i would wait until the new design, but FD is good to go.

Their biggest fear is that a functional suspension can be horrible if not setup properly. We ran into these same issues with Zeal when we were discussing the release of the Function XR. It all comes down to $ and cents, these companies are succesful enough selling bread and butter that it wouldn't make sense to me either for them to risk their brand image by selling a suspension system that people won't be able to setup.

I must say that there HAS TO BE A DIFFERENCE between these and $5k Penskes or Motons. You always get what you pay for, even when companies reverse engineer and manufacture cheaper.

 

Black91 - Of course Stance isn't near the size of nor have the engineering team to compete with Moton or JRZ, etc. When they started up they purchased a variety of coilovers from a few of those same prominent companies and set out to build a duplicate product at a more attractive price to the masses. The +3 received a great amount of attention in development but I'm not surprised that a shortcoming has surfaced. Stance has come a long way in a short time so give them a break and respect that they're actually making a great product for our cars. How many other suspension manufacturers are interesting in all that work for a car that last came of the assembly line sixteen years ago? They'll correct the issue and I'm looking forward to seeing the results. So far I'm seeing 98% satisfaction, let's wait and see.

 

Megan, D2, K-Sport and others also recently came on the scene and made FC coilovers, does that mean we should cut them a break too? JIC, Cusco, Tein, HKS and others all make FC coilovers too. Then you could also put Ground Controls on Konis, KYBs, Tocikos or Bilsteins. So there's lots of options.

I don't care if the company's new, old, or somewhere in between, if they make a good product at a reasonable price then I'll consider buying it, if they make a bad product then nothing will make me want it, I'm not going to cut anyone a break and I don't see why anyone should. Now I'm not saying they're bad, they seem promissing, but so far I've only seen people's reviews of them, I've never seen any shock dynos and they've not been around long enough to get a good sense of their long term durability. IIRC they only replace cartriges and don't offer re-valving services, which is a bit hit against them in my books. Yes they are cheaper than most so I can forgive them some of that, but it's still over $1000 and if they fail on me in a year or two I'd be mighty upset.

It would seem to me that they made that kit because "it's the cool thing to do", not because they wanted to service a need from the racing community. That's entirely the wrong reason to do something like this IMHO and is not really conductive to getting a good performing product in the end, as the street users and the drifters that'll end up using them won't know the difference and won't care.

I've got nothing against them personally, but I'd need to see some evidence and not just oppinion before I'd seriously consider buying from them.

 

It doesn't seem from what Rishie said that there was anything wrong with the +3's. It seems that the problem was people didn't want to 'modify' their cars to fit the reservoir.

Regarding these being made because "its the cool thing to do", im not to sure about that. If you look at who they are targeting; budget minded club racers and performance enthusiasts, it seems like they have a valid market. Just look at their news page. They are not talking about 'Hot import nights' or a 'Nopi' event, they are reporting how people are winning races with their product.

If their products where crappy, i think people just wouldn't buy them.

I still want to see the dyno though.

I would also like to know how many of the people who ask to see the dyno actually know how to interpret the information...

 

If they were concerned about road racers and autocrossers they should have made double adjustables with no external reservoir, as many classes of road racing and autocross limit you to two adjustments and no reservoir. They also typically have much more hotly contested classes with many similiar cars and bigger fields. That would mean a much bigger market of racers that would be able to use them. That would also a more logical progression up the ladder rather than the big jump that they did. Now that coilovers are fiarly common on street cars it's logical for them to look for the new big thing and try to capitalise on it. That is what leads me to think that they're doing it for those reasons.

I'm no expert, but I think I can read a shock dyno reasonably well and get some decent info from it. What I'd look for on the +3's in particular is minimal cross talk (one adjustment affecting an area it's not supposed to) and a reasonable speration of the high and low speed adjustments. I'd also look for a decent shape to the damping curves and a minimal amount of hysterisys.

Like I've said, I've got nothing against them per-se, and I beleive that they'll make for a good street coilover, although the long term durability still needs more time to prove, but when talking about triple adjustable remote reservoir coilovers the expectations go way up. Most suppliers of such coilovers would supply them with shock dynos of each of the shocks, not just a generic sample, but the actual ones they shipped to you.