Mahjik

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+1


In the 15's, you basically have all seasons or full slicks with nothing really in the middle. There are the Yokohama ADVAN A048's, but who knows of their availability.

eage8

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I actually suggest most NA guys go with 15s... the only problem is finding 15x8s in 5x114.3

This lowers the car an inch with zero down side and gives you more room in the fender to lower it even more. they'll also weigh significantly less which is a plus and they're much cheaper to run...

225/45/15s are a decent amount cheaper than 245/40/17s.

the only reason my car isn't lower is my tires hit the frame rail...

LargeOrangeFont

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I don't want to start a religious debate with you here.. but if you want to get faster at the track, you first have to get to the track. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars to do that. You don't need special tires to go out and learn the track and have fun in the car. We are talking about someone that has not taken the car to the track before, not someone seasoned that is going to push the car to the limit the first few times out like you or I would.

No, you can't get -1.5 degrees of camber in the front of an FC with stock top hats in any position, and crash bolts are good for next to nothing because the spindle bottoms out against the strut housing. I know, I have tried it.

If you think all aftermarket Chinese coilovers are crap, you don't have a good handle of what is on the market. You can go decently fast on a good entry level coilover package, and still have a nice ride on the street. I am going to upgrade soon to something custom valved for my application, but my BC coilovers have taken me pretty far, and to pretty respectable lap times. When the car had softer springs, it rode as well as any STI or Evo. I would not be able to turn the lap times I do in my car with a set of OE replacement Bilsteins and lowering springs... let alone not being able to run 255 front tires and get the needed camber that coilovers allow me to run.

And you can absolutely tune a car to handle better with lower grip street tires. The principles of physics, geometry, and most rules of thumb for adjusting grip levels don't begin when you put a set of 200 treadwear tires on. Yes All seasons are not as consistent and don't hold up as well over time, but for someone new to tracking their car, they will work fine, and you'll still be able to feel a tire pressure adjustment on the track.

If someone is new to track days, maximizing consumables is the name of the game, which is the main reason I tell people to upgrade select suspension parts first, specifically ones around alignment before they start buying tires. If someone goes out and buys a new set of sticky NT05s, only to cord the shoulders after a few events because a decent alignment could not be achieved, what have you gotten out of your tire investment? You certainly did not get the longevity you expected out of the tire, nor did you leverage the performance potential out of the tires because you rode around on the sidewall all day.

All that said, I respect your opinion, we just have 2 different philosophies.

LargeOrangeFont

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You just need 15X12s.

RotaryBobby

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yeah im saving up for a quick release and a 350mm or smaller steering wheel right now since it will be much more comfortable for me to drive in general as my knees somewhat hit the wheel lol. next will be some coilovers and watanabe wheels. im looking at the f8's in 16x9. they just look like a all around great wheel and i have read great reviews. not flashy but not hideous and great on the track from what i've read LOL as for the coilovers i was originally looking at stance and have read reviews and some threads confirming they are a great choice. i found bc racing and found the same about them as well and they are a little less expensive than the stance.

is there even such a thing???

eage8

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I wouldn't recommend 16s... they're the worst of both worlds. The tires are all 25" like 17s and 18s, but they only come in a maximum size of 225/50/16 in any decent tire extreme performance summer tire... just like 15s.

a 225 on a 16x9 would be fine (I run 225s on 15x9s on my corolla) but either a 17x9 with a 245 or 255 or a 15x9 with a 225 would be better for different reasons.

LOF was just making fun because I currently run 18x12s and yes, and autcross buddy of mine is running 16x12s with some avon slicks that are pretty killer...

LargeOrangeFont

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Agreed.

And yes I am jealous. I'd be running 18X12s if I was not buying 2+ sets of track tires per year.

RotaryBobby

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i chose 16 because i'm not a fan of huge rims and wasn't sure the 17"s would be within decent size. i want to track but also want decent looking rims on the road. if 17" aren't too big for my taste while being track worthy i definitely will make a switch for 17's.. would a 17x9 be appropriate?

eage8

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17s are a good size, but you can't really go any wider than 255s or they start getting too tall (not a big problem for most FCs)

17x9 is best, but you need a decent amount of camber and a fender roll to fit a 245 or a 255 on a 17x9 on the front of an FC. at least -3.0* of camber (which is what you should be running anyway if you're tracking the car)


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LargeOrangeFont

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I ran 17x9 + 24 mustang cobra wheels with 235/40/17s all around with the NA Rotary. They will fit with -1.5 or more camber up front and a front fender roll.

I now run 255/40/17s all around, same wheels. These are the 255s

RotaryBobby

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these are nice. they don't seem as big as i expected. i have seen all the pic thread and for some reason they just didn't clarify the sizes enough for me LOL. how would a 17x9 in the rear and 17x8 in the front be? would that require fender rolling? id really like to avoid rolling them if i can.

LargeOrangeFont

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17x8 and 17x9 will fit with the right offset but you are setting yourself up for more understeer, plus you can't rotate the tires. You will want to try to stay with a square setup (same size all around) for best handling.

eage8

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one more:

15x7.5s w/ 225/45/15s:

RotaryBobby

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hmm didnt think about not being able to rotate thats a good point.