Hi guys,

WHILE THEY DON'T HAVE THEM IN STOCK FOR THE FD I AM KEEN ON HAVING THEM MADE. THE FOLLOWING IN JAPAN HAS BEEN PHENOMENAL WITH THESE PADS THAT FRIENDS OVER THERE ARE ASKING ME TO GET THEM MADE FOR FD.

I'm interested in having PFC produce some of their renown compounds for the FD, as well as possibly 99 spec rotors.

they produce a variety of compounds but from our discussions the

Z-Rated
Carbon Metallic

are their most purposeful pads for the street/track guy

Here's a quotation from their website:

"Which pad should you choose?

Carbon Metallic® pads are our most popular brake pads. With NO CLAY fillers, they'll outlast the competition 2 to 3 times, and will be the pad best suited for most people's daily driving needs. Carbon Metallic® offers superior braking, pedal feel, and longer life without fade at high temperatures. There are over a dozen varieties of Carbon Metallic®, each custom manufactured for a specific vehicle application.

Our newest technology, Silent Ceramic™, offers the safety and performance you expect from Performance Friction in our lower dusting, lower noise formula. If you attend car shows, drive a luxury SUV, or simply want to keep your dubs looking clean - choose PFC's Silent Ceramic™.

Z-Rated® pads are an extension of the Carbon Metallic® brand, specifically engineered for high-performance and/or severe-duty usage. Whether you drive a BMW, Corvette, Honda or Mustang, or you tow tons of weight with an F350, Z-Rated® is engineered to deliver safety and performance under even the most severe conditions.

All use our patented Ionic Fusion™ bonding technology, which offers the safest and strongest bond of the friction material to the backing plate
No rivets - You get greatly increased safety, performance and phenominal shear resistance.

Longer life - Our multi-layer bonded brakes pick up less road dirt, so you get longer pad and rotor life. This means you will spend more time on the road, and less time in the shop changing your brakes."

Alternatively they have race compounds as well:

97
01
03

Here's a blurb on those compounds:

97 Compound
This compound was designed as an all-purpose pad where excellent controllability was a priority over ultimate stopping power. Due to its excellent modulation characteristics, this pad has proved very popular with race schools, rallying, and as a rear pad for applications such as touring cars. 97 has the lowest wear of all compounds, typically providing two to three times more life expectancy than competitors. This compound can also dramatically extend disc life.
97 is a medium torque race compound and as a result can provide reduced brake temperatures in situations where poor cooling can result in premature disc failure. 97 has the flattest torque curve of all the Performance Friction compounds. Effective from 167°F and reach 2000°F (75°C, reach 1100°C), 97 uses Performance Friction’s unique lubrication package that maintains a minimal transfer layer on the disc to help prevent brake judder and provide excellent release properties, therefore reducing overall drag in the brake system. 97 is extremely easy on the discs with very low wear.

97 is now being used in Bondurant, Derek Daley, Dale Jarrett Driving Adventure, Panoz, Mid Ohio, and Jim Russell racing schools because of it's long wear vs. performance vs. control and modulation.

01 Compound
Released in 2001,this compound has increased initial bite and improved modulation. The friction level has been increased for the first two-thirds of the braking event, with flatter torque curve and more linear friction curve compared to 83 and 93. This allows the driver to attack the brake pedal later, reducing the time spent on the brakes. Very smooth release will not over-slow the car, and won't overwhelm the car's set-up.

Like 97 compound, 01 has excellent modulation characteristics that improve controllability and driver confidence. 01 uses Performance Friction’s unique lubrication package that maintains a minimal transfer layer on the disc to help prevent brake judder and provide excellent release properties, therefore reducing overall drag in the brake system. 01 is extremely easy on the discs with very low wear. Effective from 167°F and reach 2000°F (75°C , reach 1100°C), optimum operating range is between 860°F and 1004°F (460°C and 540°C).

03 compounds have shown to have higher bite and higher average torque than 02 compounds. The 03 will handle the most severe conditions. 03 have excellent release for improved modulation Very easy on the discs with wear on par with 02 compounds. Very smooth release so as not to over slow or overwhelm the car’s set-up.

 

I run 01 fronts, w/ 01 or 97 rears when I can get them. As far as I'm concerned, they're the best there is—though admittedly I've not tried everything.

 

I currently have the PFC 01's on the front of my FD's with the 993 Big Red's... very good, sharp initial bite and haven't really experienced any fade, but I'm not to the point where I'm really pushing my car that hard I don't think. I run 99spec's in the rear with HT-10's. I've been wanting to try the Hawk DTC's, but if there are 01's made for the 99spec RS/RZ rears I would prob. be willing to try them as well.

 

I actually have one of my contacts at PFC working on whether they can get some pads together for the FD. They did produce them but haven't in while. Probably depends on if they can still get the backing plates. I should know next week. PFC is one of the best companies out there when it comes to R&D and engineering I have ever worked with (dayjob). Their level of validation and precision in machining and design I believe is 2nd to none.

 

I think I've got a set of morn out rear FD pads/plates in 97

 

I run 01s w/ M2 AP front BBK and NTech competition w/ stock rear brakes. This is the best combination there is, given that PFC pads are not available for stock rear calipers. The NTech comp pads are very very good, on par with 01s. I've tried Carbotech XP8 and XP10, and Hawk blues and blacks, no comparison. I've heard good things about Hawk DTC and HT pads, but have never tried them - I'm too happy with what I'm running now to try anything else at this point.

I actually run these pads on the street too, and there's no excessive dust or wear, just some squealing when cold.

 

The time attack boys over here in Japan are using the 97 compounds up front and some have even gotten their hands on 97 rears which can only be special ordered in sets of 50 or something.

 

That's the type of feedback I wanted to hear.

Frits thanks for the heads up. They require a pretty large minimum order to get them made so the next post will be a poll to determine what pad would be the most desirable. If I fulfill the order then maybe I can assist in supplying you. We're 99% wholesale, but I've been around this community to long to not continue supporting my rotary brethren in anyway that i can.

My Japan counterparts are requesting the 97 compound front and rear.

I'm very keen on trying to get the rear pad made since it has not been.

I REALLY REALLY LIKE THAT THESE ARE ENGINEERED AND MADE IN THE USA.

A FEW MORE COMPANIES LIKE THIS AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EMPLOY MORE OF OUR FELLOW AMERICANS. PROPS TO PFC FOR KEEPING IT STATESIDE.

Rishie

 

Yup that's the deal T. We gotta do 50 sets at a time and even at that there is a $15.00 surcharge per pad at our cost. If we do 100 sets then they waive the surcharge.

So arghhh, some logistical issues that need to gain my confidence in order to move forward.

Especially in regards to the rears. We're way off on the Min's for that too happen.

Hence the need for community feedback cause this sure isn't the most "economical" time to do large single part # orders. lolz....

BUT HEY THE SUN SHOULD START SHINING AND THE TRACKS SHOULD START STICKING SO I'M HOPING THIS WILL BE

THE "FD PAD OF THE SUMMER"

Rishie

 

that was our impression too. we ran the 06 compound last season, and the drivers loved em, wear was great for sprints.

 

A little late to the input on this one - I love the PFC's and ran the 97's for a long time, then the '01's once they came out. I like the 01's better since they don't leave corrosive dust when it gets wet and have a slightly better release characteristic.
I could go for either, only on the rears as I have a stoptech front kit. I am NOT happy with the rear pad selection available for the FD's and WOULD buy a rear PFC pad.
Stay away from the Z rated pads - they are crap. Very, very low coeff. of friction leading to very high pedal pressures - please don't spend your companies money on those. Get one of the other choices for street pads.
Again, I'm in for 01 or 97 pads for the rear.
-Bob

 

Thanks a lot Bob for the feedback on the Z rated as that is the product that actually has some margins. the race specific pads have a specialized program with some pretty intense requirements.

PFC hasn't gotten back to me in a while but it's good to know there has not been a single bad review of them.

Thanks, Rishie

 

Was there ever any result from this ~ specifically making 97 or 01?

 

No there wasn't. They required a large order commitment and the margins on the race compounds just aren't there to justify it.

Rishie

 

Pity. Looks like everyone is using cut downs I imagine.