The Official FC Wheel Fitment Thread
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i have a question i was wondering if i could fit 18x10+15 all around if i have +25mm front fenders and rolled/pulled rear fenders i was thinking of running a 245-40-18 or 255-35-18
also right now i have stock suspension with tein s-tech springs
thanks FC wheel gurus
also right now i have stock suspension with tein s-tech springs
thanks FC wheel gurus
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yes those 18x10 +15 will fit
my 18x10 up front are effectively +15 after running a spacer and they clear my tein flex just fine.
an 18x10 +15 out back will be nice with a rolled/pulled fender.
not sure if a 255 stretched on a 10" wheel will fit up front under a 25mm wider fender without a lot of negative camber... that you wont get without camber plates... I think most of the guys running 10's up front will stetch a 235 over it to fit under a 25mm fender but maybe they just have ofsets closer to zero?
you should run coilovers and stiffer rates to prevent a lot of suspension travel...
( = shredded fenders or tires)
my 18x10 up front are effectively +15 after running a spacer and they clear my tein flex just fine.
an 18x10 +15 out back will be nice with a rolled/pulled fender.
not sure if a 255 stretched on a 10" wheel will fit up front under a 25mm wider fender without a lot of negative camber... that you wont get without camber plates... I think most of the guys running 10's up front will stetch a 235 over it to fit under a 25mm fender but maybe they just have ofsets closer to zero?
you should run coilovers and stiffer rates to prevent a lot of suspension travel...
( = shredded fenders or tires)
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yes those 18x10 +15 will fit
my 18x10 up front are effectively +15 after running a spacer and they clear my tein flex just fine.
an 18x10 +15 out back will be nice with a rolled/pulled fender.
not sure if a 255 stretched on a 10" wheel will fit up front under a 25mm wider fender without a lot of negative camber... that you wont get without camber plates... I think most of the guys running 10's up front will stetch a 235 over it to fit under a 25mm fender but maybe they just have ofsets closer to zero?
you should run coilovers and stiffer rates to prevent a lot of suspension travel...
( = shredded fenders or tires)
my 18x10 up front are effectively +15 after running a spacer and they clear my tein flex just fine.
an 18x10 +15 out back will be nice with a rolled/pulled fender.
not sure if a 255 stretched on a 10" wheel will fit up front under a 25mm wider fender without a lot of negative camber... that you wont get without camber plates... I think most of the guys running 10's up front will stetch a 235 over it to fit under a 25mm fender but maybe they just have ofsets closer to zero?
you should run coilovers and stiffer rates to prevent a lot of suspension travel...
( = shredded fenders or tires)
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That's just stupid, no tire shop in their right mind should mount a tire that skinny on a wheel that wide, it's WAY beyond the manufacturer's reccomendations and is irresponsible of them to do so, becuase there's no way of knowing the potential safety concequences of doing so.
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you're ignorant... no one cares.... i run tires like this ALL the time, in the mountains when i lived in portland, doing drift demo's on shitty parking lot surfaces, dirt dropping at tracks and all other kinds of IRRESPONSIBLE and DANGEROUS situations.... i've worn the tires down to the wear bars, having to replace the tire... never popped a bead...
KEEP YOUR CAR STOCK, THATS THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATION!!!!
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You're right, no one cares about your tire non-fittment. The tire's just aching to come off the bead and you're imparting all kinds of stress on the sidewalls by doing that. There's much less sealing area, so it's also much more likely to have a slow leak, and with less pressure it's a lot more likely to have the tire come off the bead, potentailly leading to an accident when it suddenly looses pressure.
Do the math, it's a 215mm wide tire, that's ~8.5", the wheel's 10" wide, it obviously wasn't meant to be.
The manufacturer doesn't reccomend against modifying a car, they don't reccomend anything, keeping it stock either. The tire companies specifically reccomend a maximum and minimum wheel width, and you're 1.5" away from their maximum specified width, that's a lot. That can't be good.
Do the math, it's a 215mm wide tire, that's ~8.5", the wheel's 10" wide, it obviously wasn't meant to be.
The manufacturer doesn't reccomend against modifying a car, they don't reccomend anything, keeping it stock either. The tire companies specifically reccomend a maximum and minimum wheel width, and you're 1.5" away from their maximum specified width, that's a lot. That can't be good.
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You're right, no one cares about your tire non-fittment. The tire's just aching to come off the bead and you're imparting all kinds of stress on the sidewalls by doing that. There's much less sealing area, so it's also much more likely to have a slow leak, and with less pressure it's a lot more likely to have the tire come off the bead, potentailly leading to an accident when it suddenly looses pressure.
Do the math, it's a 215mm wide tire, that's ~8.5", the wheel's 10" wide, it obviously wasn't meant to be.
The manufacturer doesn't reccomend against modifying a car, they don't reccomend anything, keeping it stock either. The tire companies specifically reccomend a maximum and minimum wheel width, and you're 1.5" away from their maximum specified width, that's a lot. That can't be good.
Do the math, it's a 215mm wide tire, that's ~8.5", the wheel's 10" wide, it obviously wasn't meant to be.
The manufacturer doesn't reccomend against modifying a car, they don't reccomend anything, keeping it stock either. The tire companies specifically reccomend a maximum and minimum wheel width, and you're 1.5" away from their maximum specified width, that's a lot. That can't be good.
this is a wheel fitment thread so lets keep it to that, how wheels/tires fit, not whether or not you think its safe.
18x9.5 + ~ 12 with 215/35. also on stock fenders... think I'm going to go about 5mm farther out and add a little more camber....
and crappy pic for rear... 18x10 +2 w/ 225/40
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You're right, no one cares about your tire non-fittment. The tire's just aching to come off the bead and you're imparting all kinds of stress on the sidewalls by doing that. There's much less sealing area, so it's also much more likely to have a slow leak, and with less pressure it's a lot more likely to have the tire come off the bead, potentailly leading to an accident when it suddenly looses pressure.
Do the math, it's a 215mm wide tire, that's ~8.5", the wheel's 10" wide, it obviously wasn't meant to be.
The manufacturer doesn't reccomend against modifying a car, they don't reccomend anything, keeping it stock either. The tire companies specifically reccomend a maximum and minimum wheel width, and you're 1.5" away from their maximum specified width, that's a lot. That can't be good.
Do the math, it's a 215mm wide tire, that's ~8.5", the wheel's 10" wide, it obviously wasn't meant to be.
The manufacturer doesn't reccomend against modifying a car, they don't reccomend anything, keeping it stock either. The tire companies specifically reccomend a maximum and minimum wheel width, and you're 1.5" away from their maximum specified width, that's a lot. That can't be good.
live a little... get out and try something new... oh wait, you're an M.E.... you need FACTS, NUMBERS...
NO ONE EVER ASKED FOR YOUR OPINION ON WHAT SIZE TIRE IS MEANT FOR WHAT SIZE RIM...
you can jibberjabber all your BS about what why when and where... but it all comes down to is you obviously don't have any EXPERIENCE, other than what you've read or calculated.... so stop commenting about things you really have no clue about...
I'm telling you it can, will, and does work...
UNLESS you have something good to offer others, either being an EXPERIENCE you've had with fitment... or if a certain size and offset will fit one's application... DON'T POST....
#2239
you're ignorant... no one cares.... i run tires like this ALL the time, in the mountains when i lived in portland, doing drift demo's on shitty parking lot surfaces, dirt dropping at tracks and all other kinds of IRRESPONSIBLE and DANGEROUS situations.... i've worn the tires down to the wear bars, having to replace the tire... never popped a bead...
KEEP YOUR CAR STOCK, THATS THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATION!!!!
KEEP YOUR CAR STOCK, THATS THE MANUFACTURER'S RECOMMENDATION!!!!
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Too all you drift ****'s...
Stop acting like babies.
You get all worked up cause people dis your set-up.
******' live with it.
If you're happy with your set-up then fine.
Stop FLAMING everyone else cause they don't agree.
I'm getting tired of your guys CRAPPING in this thread.
WHY DON'T YOU START YOUR OWN ******' THREAD - DRIFT FC FITMENT FOR PEOPLE WITH REAL ***** - or someting assinine like that.
You wanna run your cheap *** wheels and take a chance scraping the hell out of them when you nudge a curb, then that's your choice.
Most other FC owner's DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
-Ted
Stop acting like babies.
You get all worked up cause people dis your set-up.
******' live with it.
If you're happy with your set-up then fine.
Stop FLAMING everyone else cause they don't agree.
I'm getting tired of your guys CRAPPING in this thread.
WHY DON'T YOU START YOUR OWN ******' THREAD - DRIFT FC FITMENT FOR PEOPLE WITH REAL ***** - or someting assinine like that.
You wanna run your cheap *** wheels and take a chance scraping the hell out of them when you nudge a curb, then that's your choice.
Most other FC owner's DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
-Ted
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or we could just keep posting in this thread for the people who do care, and everyone who doesn't like it could just not post about how much they hate it.
you guys are the ones getting worked up. there would be no 'crapping in this thread' if you guys didn't always post about how much you hate our **** and think its 'unsafe', and whatever other bullshit you make up. posting pictures with wheel/tire specs and asking about it, is what this thread is for, and thats all we're doing.
you don't want to read a bunch of bullshit, then don't post it.
you guys are the ones getting worked up. there would be no 'crapping in this thread' if you guys didn't always post about how much you hate our **** and think its 'unsafe', and whatever other bullshit you make up. posting pictures with wheel/tire specs and asking about it, is what this thread is for, and thats all we're doing.
you don't want to read a bunch of bullshit, then don't post it.
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This all has been covered before.
But since you're so stubborn...
Tire manufacturers print out their recommendations on tire versus wheel size.
It's even out there on the Internet if you go search for them.
FOR YOU IDIOTS WHO LIKE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID.
TO CLAIM YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TIRES THAN THE MANUFACTURER'S THEMSELVES IS ALSO STUPID.
Sure, we didn't say it wasn't possible - see the difference?
I'm just saying that what you're claiming is not safe.
There's a BIG difference!
If you can't figure out the difference, I'd suggest you get a dictionary or go take some English classes, cause it's basic comprehension.
The ONLY tire manufacturer who does print hiparri stretch number is Falken.
Go grab any import mag and you should see their ad.
Even then, your tire / wheel sizes are OUTSIDE of their recommended specs also.
You see the pics?
That's now how it should be done.
Flaking paint after rolling the fenders?
It's going to rust like a ****.
You guys are running "boro" cars, and it might look "cool" to you and your friends, but don't think most of us see it the same way.
I'm not into big panel gaps and cheap-*** "graphics" and lettering stuck onto my car.
No before you get bent out of shape - probably too late - as long as you're happy with your car, that's all that matters.
I see a lot of big fender rolling / pulling and/or aftermarket fenders just to get the clearances...
Even if you like to claim go-10"-wide-or-go-home attitude, the ratio of you guys with the big hippari stretch versus us more conservative folk are easily...10 to 1?
Just look at all the pics and replies...
I guess you guys like the ego boost when people reply that they like your pics...
That's probably why you like to crap in this thread.
-Ted
But since you're so stubborn...
Tire manufacturers print out their recommendations on tire versus wheel size.
It's even out there on the Internet if you go search for them.
FOR YOU IDIOTS WHO LIKE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID.
TO CLAIM YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TIRES THAN THE MANUFACTURER'S THEMSELVES IS ALSO STUPID.
Sure, we didn't say it wasn't possible - see the difference?
I'm just saying that what you're claiming is not safe.
There's a BIG difference!
If you can't figure out the difference, I'd suggest you get a dictionary or go take some English classes, cause it's basic comprehension.
The ONLY tire manufacturer who does print hiparri stretch number is Falken.
Go grab any import mag and you should see their ad.
Even then, your tire / wheel sizes are OUTSIDE of their recommended specs also.
You see the pics?
That's now how it should be done.
Flaking paint after rolling the fenders?
It's going to rust like a ****.
You guys are running "boro" cars, and it might look "cool" to you and your friends, but don't think most of us see it the same way.
I'm not into big panel gaps and cheap-*** "graphics" and lettering stuck onto my car.
No before you get bent out of shape - probably too late - as long as you're happy with your car, that's all that matters.
I see a lot of big fender rolling / pulling and/or aftermarket fenders just to get the clearances...
Even if you like to claim go-10"-wide-or-go-home attitude, the ratio of you guys with the big hippari stretch versus us more conservative folk are easily...10 to 1?
Just look at all the pics and replies...
I guess you guys like the ego boost when people reply that they like your pics...
That's probably why you like to crap in this thread.
-Ted
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This all has been covered before.
But since you're so stubborn...
Tire manufacturers print out their recommendations on tire versus wheel size.
It's even out there on the Internet if you go search for them.
FOR YOU IDIOTS WHO LIKE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID.
TO CLAIM YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TIRES THAN THE MANUFACTURER'S THEMSELVES IS ALSO STUPID.
Sure, we didn't say it wasn't possible - see the difference?
I'm just saying that what you're claiming is not safe.
There's a BIG difference!
If you can't figure out the difference, I'd suggest you get a dictionary or go take some English classes, cause it's basic comprehension.
The ONLY tire manufacturer who does print hiparri stretch number is Falken.
Go grab any import mag and you should see their ad.
Even then, your tire / wheel sizes are OUTSIDE of their recommended specs also.
You see the pics?
That's now how it should be done.
Flaking paint after rolling the fenders?
It's going to rust like a ****.
You guys are running "boro" cars, and it might look "cool" to you and your friends, but don't think most of us see it the same way.
I'm not into big panel gaps and cheap-*** "graphics" and lettering stuck onto my car.
No before you get bent out of shape - probably too late - as long as you're happy with your car, that's all that matters.
I see a lot of big fender rolling / pulling and/or aftermarket fenders just to get the clearances...
Even if you like to claim go-10"-wide-or-go-home attitude, the ratio of you guys with the big hippari stretch versus us more conservative folk are easily...10 to 1?
Just look at all the pics and replies...
I guess you guys like the ego boost when people reply that they like your pics...
That's probably why you like to crap in this thread.
-Ted
But since you're so stubborn...
Tire manufacturers print out their recommendations on tire versus wheel size.
It's even out there on the Internet if you go search for them.
FOR YOU IDIOTS WHO LIKE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID.
TO CLAIM YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TIRES THAN THE MANUFACTURER'S THEMSELVES IS ALSO STUPID.
Sure, we didn't say it wasn't possible - see the difference?
I'm just saying that what you're claiming is not safe.
There's a BIG difference!
If you can't figure out the difference, I'd suggest you get a dictionary or go take some English classes, cause it's basic comprehension.
The ONLY tire manufacturer who does print hiparri stretch number is Falken.
Go grab any import mag and you should see their ad.
Even then, your tire / wheel sizes are OUTSIDE of their recommended specs also.
You see the pics?
That's now how it should be done.
Flaking paint after rolling the fenders?
It's going to rust like a ****.
You guys are running "boro" cars, and it might look "cool" to you and your friends, but don't think most of us see it the same way.
I'm not into big panel gaps and cheap-*** "graphics" and lettering stuck onto my car.
No before you get bent out of shape - probably too late - as long as you're happy with your car, that's all that matters.
I see a lot of big fender rolling / pulling and/or aftermarket fenders just to get the clearances...
Even if you like to claim go-10"-wide-or-go-home attitude, the ratio of you guys with the big hippari stretch versus us more conservative folk are easily...10 to 1?
Just look at all the pics and replies...
I guess you guys like the ego boost when people reply that they like your pics...
That's probably why you like to crap in this thread.
-Ted
i'm just tired of hearing all this wining and complaining about what's right and what's wrong.... it is what it is.... deal with it.. if you don't like it, don't post... if you do like it, pm me.. LOL j/k if you have a question about if an extreme stretch will work, sign a disclaimer and i'll let u know.. LOL
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This all has been covered before.
But since you're so stubborn...
Tire manufacturers print out their recommendations on tire versus wheel size.
It's even out there on the Internet if you go search for them.
FOR YOU IDIOTS WHO LIKE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID.
TO CLAIM YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TIRES THAN THE MANUFACTURER'S THEMSELVES IS ALSO STUPID.
Sure, we didn't say it wasn't possible - see the difference?
I'm just saying that what you're claiming is not safe.
There's a BIG difference!
If you can't figure out the difference, I'd suggest you get a dictionary or go take some English classes, cause it's basic comprehension.
The ONLY tire manufacturer who does print hiparri stretch number is Falken.
Go grab any import mag and you should see their ad.
Even then, your tire / wheel sizes are OUTSIDE of their recommended specs also.
You see the pics?
That's now how it should be done.
Flaking paint after rolling the fenders?
It's going to rust like a ****.
You guys are running "boro" cars, and it might look "cool" to you and your friends, but don't think most of us see it the same way.
I'm not into big panel gaps and cheap-*** "graphics" and lettering stuck onto my car.
No before you get bent out of shape - probably too late - as long as you're happy with your car, that's all that matters.
I see a lot of big fender rolling / pulling and/or aftermarket fenders just to get the clearances...
Even if you like to claim go-10"-wide-or-go-home attitude, the ratio of you guys with the big hippari stretch versus us more conservative folk are easily...10 to 1?
Just look at all the pics and replies...
I guess you guys like the ego boost when people reply that they like your pics...
That's probably why you like to crap in this thread.
-Ted
But since you're so stubborn...
Tire manufacturers print out their recommendations on tire versus wheel size.
It's even out there on the Internet if you go search for them.
FOR YOU IDIOTS WHO LIKE TO GO OUTSIDE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID.
TO CLAIM YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE TIRES THAN THE MANUFACTURER'S THEMSELVES IS ALSO STUPID.
Sure, we didn't say it wasn't possible - see the difference?
I'm just saying that what you're claiming is not safe.
There's a BIG difference!
If you can't figure out the difference, I'd suggest you get a dictionary or go take some English classes, cause it's basic comprehension.
The ONLY tire manufacturer who does print hiparri stretch number is Falken.
Go grab any import mag and you should see their ad.
Even then, your tire / wheel sizes are OUTSIDE of their recommended specs also.
You see the pics?
That's now how it should be done.
Flaking paint after rolling the fenders?
It's going to rust like a ****.
You guys are running "boro" cars, and it might look "cool" to you and your friends, but don't think most of us see it the same way.
I'm not into big panel gaps and cheap-*** "graphics" and lettering stuck onto my car.
No before you get bent out of shape - probably too late - as long as you're happy with your car, that's all that matters.
I see a lot of big fender rolling / pulling and/or aftermarket fenders just to get the clearances...
Even if you like to claim go-10"-wide-or-go-home attitude, the ratio of you guys with the big hippari stretch versus us more conservative folk are easily...10 to 1?
Just look at all the pics and replies...
I guess you guys like the ego boost when people reply that they like your pics...
That's probably why you like to crap in this thread.
-Ted
there are some people that are into this fitment, so our posts are for them. if you don't like that then just ignore our posts. I don't see how that is such a big deal. we're not trying to start an argument, or tell people how to set up their cars. just showing what 'can' be done, if you want to go a little outside the box.
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There's lots of good info in this thread regarding fitment of both stretched and non-stretched tires/rims.
Whatever you like on your car is just that, what you like, so go with it.
Don't knock on the guy who points out that it isn't what's recommended, nor what's "safe". Even though, sure, you can run them and get away with it. Drifting isn't "safe" nor is racing to a degree, but we do what we do and have fun at it.
No reason to chew eachother's head's off. We're all here for the same reason, some of us just approach that reason from opposite sides.
Whatever you like on your car is just that, what you like, so go with it.
Don't knock on the guy who points out that it isn't what's recommended, nor what's "safe". Even though, sure, you can run them and get away with it. Drifting isn't "safe" nor is racing to a degree, but we do what we do and have fun at it.
No reason to chew eachother's head's off. We're all here for the same reason, some of us just approach that reason from opposite sides.
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BMS5 is right, I brought it up because I knew some people in here like him hads EXPERIENCE with that setup I commented on and he was nice enough to chime in AND USED PICS!
wow what a guy!
I wish everyone else on here was as up front and helpful.
wtf.
no **** it can be bad to stretch a 205 on a 10" wheel but if you check out newer tires like the falken fk452, they are being designed with a stretch in mind.. I have a 245/40r17 on a 9.5 wide on my 240sx and its barely stretched at all, you'd think it was a 265 wide tire, but they are making tires differently nowadays and you cannot just go by math and calculations.
LOL at the M.E. comment, I'm an M.E. and I have an open mind, guess I must be a rare breed?
hey the green FC always looked great, cant wait for more pics of the black FC on those 10's!
wow what a guy!
I wish everyone else on here was as up front and helpful.
wtf.
no **** it can be bad to stretch a 205 on a 10" wheel but if you check out newer tires like the falken fk452, they are being designed with a stretch in mind.. I have a 245/40r17 on a 9.5 wide on my 240sx and its barely stretched at all, you'd think it was a 265 wide tire, but they are making tires differently nowadays and you cannot just go by math and calculations.
LOL at the M.E. comment, I'm an M.E. and I have an open mind, guess I must be a rare breed?
hey the green FC always looked great, cant wait for more pics of the black FC on those 10's!
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I try to keep an open mind, but when you can fit crap between the rim and tire beads that's an obvious indication that it doesn't fit. Thanks for helping me prove my point! This is the official FC wheel FITTMENT thread, not the official FC wheel un-fittment drift stretch thread.
Just because it hasn't gone wrong for you yet doesn't make it safe. It just means it hasn't happened yet.
BTW, those are sure as hell not stock fenders in your sig, so how about you get your story straight.
One more thing: CAMBER IS NOT A WHEEL FITTMENT TOOL!!!!!
Just because it hasn't gone wrong for you yet doesn't make it safe. It just means it hasn't happened yet.
BTW, those are sure as hell not stock fenders in your sig, so how about you get your story straight.
One more thing: CAMBER IS NOT A WHEEL FITTMENT TOOL!!!!!
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I try to keep an open mind, but when you can fit crap between the rim and tire beads that's an obvious indication that it doesn't fit. Thanks for helping me prove my point! This is the official FC wheel FITTMENT thread, not the official FC wheel un-fittment drift stretch thread.
Just because it hasn't gone wrong for you yet doesn't make it safe. It just means it hasn't happened yet.
BTW, those are sure as hell not stock fenders in your sig, so how about you get your story straight.
One more thing: CAMBER IS NOT A WHEEL FITTMENT TOOL!!!!!
Just because it hasn't gone wrong for you yet doesn't make it safe. It just means it hasn't happened yet.
BTW, those are sure as hell not stock fenders in your sig, so how about you get your story straight.
One more thing: CAMBER IS NOT A WHEEL FITTMENT TOOL!!!!!
for being an M.E. your attention to detail really isn't that good bud...
as you can see in the stretched tire pics from the original post, that's a black car... that being my street car... which does rock the wheel/tire size mentioned.... ON STOCK FENDERS.... actually, that was the whole purpose of the build... to get that much lip under the stock fender... why? because i haven't seen it before... i mean, anyone can fit a large wheel under an aftermarket fender right?
the green car in my sig also rocks 18x10's with a 215/40.. but that's with a -6 offset (no spacers) under 25mm fenders... 19x10 -16 under a 50mm fender in the rear!!!
so my stories are straight, and i do know exactly what i'm talking about...
and on your last statement, camber IS a wheel fitment tool.... do some research smart guy:
as stated on dictionary.com
tool /tul/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tool] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation,
–noun
5. anything used as a means of accomplishing a task or purpose: Education is a tool for success. Camber is a tool for fitting Gangster offset wheels!! LOL
i was going to mention you're a tool as well, but none of the definitions really matched.. except the one about using another person for one's own benefit.... but that would only be me getting to laugh at how bad you're making yourself look... LOL
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