unicorn_squad

yes, it is like 400 times easier.

I can mount a 235/40 on a 18x10 with the manual tire changer I bought from harbor freight.

its easier because with the tire being so much smaller than the wheel, you don't need all the hydrolic arms to compress the sidewall down. just a little bit of weight on it, and it will pop right onto the wheel.

don't believe me? try it.


purpose of stretching tires? I dunno... the only reason I do it is because it looks cool, and like I said above, they're easier to mount.
it might help with contact patch, or sidewall stiffness, or maybe it does the opposite. I don't really care.

Rotary13B1

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Anyone have a pic of these on a FC Vert?

Risky Devil

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Having stretch to fit, good low offset is your own.

Realize how more and more people are doing it?

They break out of the homosexual 17x7 RX-7 Offset bubble.

No ones gonna show you how to do it, or what to do.

You figure out what looks good and stop being a *****.

STOP BEING A *****.

Everyone else stick to your balloon sidewall and go 4x4

As for it being dangerous. HOW?

Why is this coming from every old clown who hasn't done it.

Black91n/a

It just seems that it'd be a lot more difficult to get the bead to seat with the tire's that much narrower than the wheel. Sidewalls are naturally more or less perpendicular to the tread, so you'll be having to force them to spread apart to get a seal, seems like it could be difficult. I know that putting a really wide tire on a narrow rim is difficult, but I'm talking about something in the middle, like a 225 on an 8" rim. Either way you still have to squeeze the rim through the tire.

Not trying something that one finds stupid doesn't mean one's a *****, it means that they're smart enough to not do it. Naturally those that don't like it won't do it, so that's why those who are speaking out against it haven't tried it, I'd think that was pretty easy to figure out.

Those that don't stretch tires aren't automatically "bubble sidewall" people, and we don't all go around on narrow rims. Some like Owen have widebodies with massively wide wheels and tires. I run on 17x8's with 225's that fit nice and squarely on the wheels and are quite flush without rubbing on the fenders from an offset that's too low, in other words the tires fit the wheels and they both fit the car.

Wezzmo

no idea, havent had a proper wheels alignment... when i had the original cusco camber tops in i had about -2.5 degrees

my new strut tops are pushed a similar amount in.. so id imagine camber would be similar.

owen is fat

I would venture to bet it is almost 100% because the price of a 285/30r18 is about twice the price of the 225/40r18 that you are stretching over that 18x10 wheel.

but maybe I am wrong. I dont really care either.

a badass stretched setup on a clean car does look pretty damn cool.

owen is fat

because most stretchy-heads dont buy the $2000 wheels new at retail cost, they buy them used for a grand or a little more and then cheap out on some shitty skinny cheap *** tires.

skinny tires do make the cars handling feel much more nimble and quick to modulate... sometimes a very good driving experience even if the ultimate grip limits are less than with a wide tire setup, the driving experience can be more fun.

Black91n/a

But if you're looking to get a nimble feeling then running large diameter, wide and therefore heavy wheels is the wrong thing to do. It'll feel a lot better if you're using smaller, lighter wheels. A nice light 15x7 with a 205/50/15 will feel a lot more responsive and nimble, will accelerate faster, brake faster, ride better, and handle better.

USS CJ

if you use a cheeta or you hole shot the tire, getting it to actually seat is a cinch too.

mounting stretched tires is pretty damn easy, Me and travis have done it alot of times with a manual changer from harbor freight.

RETed

Ballers run wide tires, cause they can afford it!
Cheap asses run stretch cause they can't afford the wide tires in the first place!


-Ted

unicorn_squad

if you are mounting something 'incredibly stretched', like a 215/35 on a 18x9.5, and esp. if the wheel doesn't have a lip (wheel design makes a LOT of the difference), then it can be hard to get the tires to seat on the wheel.... but then its almost fun.. haha. to get the fronts to seat they had to use the tire machine's blaster, AND the cheetah, AND the air nozzle with the valve stem core removed, all at the same time... lol. most of this is due to the odd wheel design of the racing sparco's I was running on the front...

but 235/40 on my 18x10's can be seated with just a regular old air compressor and air chuck. dont even need the blaster or anything to get them to seat.

and either way, they are a lot easier to physically get onto the wheel than a 'normal' size tire.

even a 205/50 on a 16x8 is harder to get on than the 235/40 on the 18x10.

unicorn_squad

AND the fact that the 187 uncorrected whp my car makes up here at 6000 feet is hardly even enough to spin 235's in 3rd gear.

if my car had 350+ whp, and I still was running 235's, then that would absolutely be because they are way more expensive... but with the power my car makes, thats not even an issue. lol.

if I had enough power, I would run 275's in the back in a second....
and I would also be stretching them across 12 inch wheels... haha.

Black91n/a

It'd be a lot more likely to spin a 235 if it was on a smaller ligher wheel, and you'd get more power to the ground. I agree 100% that lower powered cars don't need wide tires, but I just think they should be paired with more reasonably sized wheels.

unicorn_squad

you'd think so.... I've done both, however, and there's honestly no noticeable difference in the wheel weight with drifting. (grip, I'm sure that much weight would be quite noticeable).

this is comparing a ~ 17 lb 17x9 with a 235/45, to those 18x10, that weigh around 29 lb each.
the 18x10 actually feels better.
I dunno if this is just due to the tire actual tire that I'm running, or due to the smaller tire sidewall, or just the fact that its stretched more...
but either way, it feels better, so I'm sticking with it till I find something else that feels even better.

yeah, they probably should be...

chozenfc3s

sorry to jump in the convo, but would 18x9.5+20 w/245-40-18 (all around) fit on a vert? if not what would be needed to make them fit?

Roen

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may require a spacer in the front, the back should be fine.

Black91n/a

Tire construction has a huge impact on feel. For instance a lightweight Toyo T1R has much softer sidewalls than a much heavier Falken Azenis, and it'll give a much softer ride and will give a "mushier" feel to the car, since there's more sidewall deflection.

USS CJ

Not really genius.

How are those Gabs by the way?

A lot of the reason people stretch tires is because THEY (not you, or your grandma) like the look.

Don't event pretend that the only factor that makes 100% of people on this board choose wheels is weight+performance value. Get serious.

Personally i don't notice a difference between my GTR wheels (forged 17lbs each) and my CR kais (most deff not forged like 30 lbs each). If i was road racing sure, it would matter but i'm not. And you really wouldn't notice during the street use that the vast majority of the cars on here see.

Black91n/a

Just because you're insensitive to the differences doesn't mean that they don't exist or that others won't feel it. I certainly can feel the difference when swapping from my relatively heavy ~47lb (wheel and tire) 17's to my much lighter ~38lb 15's.

Sure looks are important, but to me anyway they are less important than price, strenght and weight. Although if something's hideous I probably wouldn't run it no matter what, but there's lots of decent options out there. It just seems dumb to me to take a performance car and totally disregard performance when modifying it.

USS CJ

I certainly notice heavier wheels up front, but having heavy wheels out back isnt really too noticeable, especially not flat out in 3rd gear drifting.

Im not saying heavier doesnt matter in racing, but lets be honest, most people here drive their cars on the street and arent driving at more than 7/10 99% of the time. Wouldnt you agree?

So in those cases a few pounds hardly matters.

Wezzmo

blah blah blah,

who cares about stretching tyres... some of us do it because we want to... stop ruining our fun with your logic..

also ....my yokohoma model 5 18x10s are actually lighter than most of my 17s

tyres make a big difference too... my neova's ad07s are light as... where as my linglongs weight a ton each

Black91n/a

Yes most of the time people aren't pushing it on the street that much, but you don't have to be going at 10/10ths to feel a difference. It can be felt in the responses of the car, in the changes of fuel economy and in the ride quality.

RETed

Linglongs?
Now I wanna see pics of these!


-Ted

Jesse[SM]

I would posit that the difference you're feeling is due to the different diameters of the wheels and not the weight.

well that's the thing with drifting, it's 100% about looking cool.

RETed

Uh, no.

I can definitely feel the difference between running stock Zenki FC turbo wheels that weigh in at 27 lbs. versus my GAB Sport (16" x 7.0", BTW) wheels that weigh a little over 15 lbs.
That's shaving off 10 lbs. per corner...

So are you going to argue offset difference?
Stock +40 versus GABs +35...
What about tire brand / model?
Toyo RA-1 versus Bridgestone S-03 Pole Position...

I think your butt is just too numb to know the difference.
Those drivers which are a lot more atuned to their cars should be able to tell the difference in a heartbeat.


-Ted