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Old 06-03-04 | 01:48 AM
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just to make sure, FC rear wheel 17x9 +28 will fit, right?

See the subject. 17x9 +28 will fit in the rear of an FC, right?

Victor

PS I hate to post a "will it fit" question but I want to make sure.
Old 06-05-04 | 12:26 PM
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it might stick out a tad bit but should be alright.... By comparison I have a 17x 9.5 +33mm offset w/ 275 and it just about spot on. It depends on how low you go and how much camber you want as well... I have 1 deg neg in the back and I think I could squeeze a 285... We'll see. I do know 9.5 w/ +38 -+32mm is a sure fitment w/ Teins, but thats all the experience I have had

Hope this helps.

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Old 06-05-04 | 02:39 PM
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heh, they're already on the way to my house, but that's what i expected. i've seen 18x9 +25 and it poked out maybe 1/4 inch. so i figure I'll roll the fenders and suck it up, since I got $800 worth of BBS wheels for $239 shipped

i'll post pics in this thread when i get them on.
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I think you'll be just fine in the rear... Whats the offset up front?

Up front I have 17 x 8.5 +40mm w/ 225's and Teins. I had 235's but to run 1 deg NEG it was to tight.. A 225 stretch'd on an 8.5 is awesome though. FC's are just limited up front. I'm curious to see yours.... send us photos cool?
Old 06-05-04 | 11:25 PM
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well, the fronts haven't been purchased yet

the offset for the fronts (17x8) is +42. I was planning on running 225s and some smallish (5mm?) spacers. (Do I need the spacers, you think?)

i think the wheels (BBS RX) will look bangin', and I'll definitely post some pictures when I get all four and get the five lug swap done and such. It might be a while but I won't forget.
Old 06-06-04 | 08:08 AM
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Ya you could run a 5mm spacer and be fine. Just check the lug tension more-so than normal.. BBS wheels are superior wheels. Wish I had some LM's ohhh-ya!
Old 06-06-04 | 03:10 PM
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LMs are sexy too. The RX has always been the 'classic' bbs wheel in my mind, though.

Do you think I could go with 235s instead of 225s? I'll have to check once i get the wheels installed and such, I know. I'm a little worried about understeer with the stagger but it's not a track car so it's not a huge deal.
Old 06-07-04 | 01:45 PM
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235's are to close unless you get a +35mm offset. but honestly I didn't even notice when I switch back to 225's from the 235's....
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Depends on the suspension that you have. In the rear, shouldn't be a prob. whether you have coilvers or not. In the front, coilovers do make a difference. I found out the hard way.

Rear:
17x9's w/ 28mm offset will fit fine. I ran 17x9.5 w/ 38mm and they worked great. Now I run 17x10 w/ 35mm and they also work. All of the above sizes will not require shaving/rolling the fenders.

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17x8.5 w/ 40mm offset will NOT work w/ coilovers or stock shocks. A 2mm spacer is required to clear stock shocks. 4 mm is required for coilovers. But with tokico's, you can get this size to work with some minor mods to the shock. (need to grind a small part of the lower spring perch.
17x8 w/ 35mm will work with coilovers and stock shocks.

Generally I don't recommend spacers but it depends on how hard you drive. The cheap spacers are not entirely flat and can warp over time. (Not safe)
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Forgot to mention tire sizes....

On the fronts I ran 225's and ran 255's on the rear. I don't think that 235's will work on the sizes I posted above for the front. 225's barely clear the inside shock. On the rear, I think that you can go with up to 265's but not sure about the render. May need to roll or trim...
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I won't be running coilovers. I think i've decided on eibach springs and tokico non-adjustables. So coilovers stick out further than regular shocks/springs? I've wondered that for a while.

I'd rather not use spacers but the people I've spoken with have said that a 5mm spacer will be ok.

I actually am contemplating buying some front fenders and running the same width wheels but that's just another $500 I don't *need* to spend. Plus I could rotate my tires, which would be nice.

Edit. Hm. Only $375 for the pair of corksports...heh...

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Well it's not that coilovers stick out further, it's just that the colar for adjusting the spring perch happens to be located right where the tire is. So you have to account for the colar width. So if you had the wrong offset or too wide of a tire, you would rub the colar, not the body of the shock.

You'll be fine with the eibach/tokico setup. Yeah, try to stay away from spacers if possible. but if you do use them, keep in mind that you will probably need longer studs if use more than a 3mm spacer. A 5mm will work and be ok but again, it's all about the saftey and risk.

Good luck...
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Yeah i was considering getting longer studs anyway, since I'll be doing the five-lug swap right before I put these puppies on.
Old 06-09-04 | 01:33 PM
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A 17 x 8.5 WILL work up front w/ +40mm offset.... I have it and with Flex's... Its close but it does work with no spacer

I think it depends on what tyre manufacture you use as well...Some blocky tires I can see not working
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Oh, my, they look even better in person. About 1.5" of lip...mwaha.
Old 06-17-04 | 02:39 AM
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hey just checking my math here, but 17x9 +28 will clear the front suspension, won't it?

the 8.5 +40 has 146mm backspacing and the 9 +28 has 140 so i figured it would work.
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Originally posted by $150FC
hey just checking my math here, but 17x9 +28 will clear the front suspension, won't it?

the 8.5 +40 has 146mm backspacing and the 9 +28 has 140 so i figured it would work.
To me, those numbers do not work.
I dunno how these guys are running 8", +41 and 8.5", +40 rims up front.



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5 mm spacers need new studs ??? thats only 3/16" ??? stock studs are seem ok with tuner lugs .. say you safely only need 8 turns ???
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....Ted have you tried some of these fitments? just curious.. I was lucky enough when I bought my current wheels that Discount tire ordered ever offset Enkie offered in the RPF1's just to test fit... The 8.5's are close but they don't bump at all and I'm an SCCA guy.

5mm spacers don't need longer studs, but I would check the tension more so than normal...
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Is that a yes, Brad?

The fenders are already on the way so if not i'll just use some 5mm spacers.
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A +28mm offset won't rub on the inside and unless you run the "flairs" or fenders they'll stick out to far....There is a guy on the FC3S site that has BBS LM's on a carb'd NA and he has the flairs with what I believe a simular offset as you...I don't remember his name...devilFC maybe..... so my guess is with fenders you'll be okay

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Originally posted by raising arizona
....Ted have you tried some of these fitments? just curious.. I was lucky enough when I bought my current wheels that Discount tire ordered ever offset Enkie offered in the RPF1's just to test fit... The 8.5's are close but they don't bump at all and I'm an SCCA guy.
Not those exact numbers, but we've tried an 8" +35 and a 9" +15.
Unless you're running some kinda weird lip profile, extrapolating those numbers to the 8", +40 and 8.5", +40 will not work.

BTW, the 8", +35 is running a 5m spacer to clear up front.
There is a way to run front camber plates and dial in some negative camber to clear some wheel combinations, but running more than 3-degree of camber will eat tires for daily driving.

Maybe you guys are running "race" rubber?
But I remember something about B.F.Goodrich Comp T/A's?


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WOW! 3 degrees? thats alot... I run about 1deg. and that even eats tires... Its hard to say why some fit and some don't...My experience its the tires brands that hinder some of these fitments..... Just food for thought...
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Yeah, 3-degrees, but it's running close to zero toe.
Toe eats the tires faster than mild camber, so it might be your toe setting?

Yeah, tire model and brand has a lot to do with it.
My numbers I recommend are for "safe" fitments for most tires available.


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Originally posted by RETed

BTW, the 8", +35 is running a 5m spacer to clear up front.

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What size tire and wheel is that ted? ..I bought a used set of enkei's in 17x8's and 17x9's with 35mm offset,they had 235/45's kumo 712's on them(fronts 17x8) and that won't work,backs are no problem with 255/40's.This is basically just putting them on the driveway,stock suspension.Haven't attacked the issue yet but I'm looking at these two senario's,appreciate anybody's input that know....this would be with a set of new springs/shocks not coilovers.Just run 225/40's hopefully with no spacer needed or buy 5mm spacer's for the front and run a 235/40 tire which I have sitting here unmounted yet).But I'm wondering if the 235/40 will rub the fender on the outside with a 1 inch lowered ride...Appreciate the input ....cheers JET

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