Has anyone used these pads? Are they more or less aggressive then the blue/black? Way to aggressive for any street driving? What about damage to the rotors?

 

Not for street use unless you want to replace rotors frequently. Same goes for blue or black although I have done all 3. HT10 is more aggresive.

 

Way too aggressive for the street....they will brake far worse than street pads and will eat your rotors in a week.

If you want to stop better on the street, buy better and bigger tires.

 

What sort of track setup would these work well with then? rotors, tirs, suspension, etc

I'm not saying I want to run them, just trying to get some info on them as I couldnt find much. I know a couple BMW guys who recommend them for both street and track.

 

What BMW's are these guys driving? I can point you to some BMW threads of cracked rotors from those pads. Many BMW owners do use them, but only for track pads, not street pads.

The setup doesn't really matter for the pads, its the amount of heat they need to absorb which is in question. On public streets, you'll never get the pads up to"track temperatures" which is why they aren't recommended on the street.

If you want a dual purpose pad which is rotor friendly, the Carbotech XP8 can be used on the street. I have those on the front of my M3 right now because I was too lazy to put my stock pads on after the last track event. They do work cold, but they squeal as well when cold. I will be putting the stock pads on for the street after my next event since the event after that will be more than a month out.

The only thing I don't like about the XP8's is the initial bite. I'm used to the N-Tech pads on the FD which give a great initial bit on the track. The XP8's are a lot more "friendly" for that which I don't really like.

 

Well my buddy has a BMWCCA trackday coming up and wanted new track pads for his 06 ZCP M3. All the guys on the BMW board (M3Forum.net) were recommending the HT10s. We put them on a couple days ago and set the pads on the street doing some medium-high speed stops and loved them. He's been driving it around on the streets for the past few days and said he hasnt really noticed any problems with cold braking. Turns out a handful of M3 guys said they just run HT10s full time, not just for the track.

 

I don't know about "all those guys". I'm on there and I don't see people recommending those for street applications. A lot of racers do use them for track pads. Here's a quote from that forum (I'm a member on most of the M3 forums):

If you like killing rotors, by all means use those on the streets. However, there are much better (newer) pads available.

 

Another from M3forum:

So if you don't take our word for it, hopefully you'll take theirs.

 

I used HT-10 pads on my E30 M3 and they were fantastic on track, but there is no way I would ever use them on the street. Plus, they're noisy little buggers

Do yourself a favor and buy dedicated track pads.

 

God it's been forever since I've been on this forum. I'm the Bimmer guy running Hawk HT-10's on the street on my '06 E46 M3. It has the competition package on it, which entails cross-drilled 13.6" rotors up front, and cross-drilled 12.9" rotors in the rear. The sucky thing is that it still makes use of the subpar 1-piston calipers from the standard M3.

Anyway, I have been running these pads on the street for a week now. The very first application of the brakes in the morning when they're cold sucks. It takes a while for them to heat up and bite. They grind below 10mph and screech like a banshee under 5mph. I'm running them on the street for the sole reason of braking them in a little before the track day. I agree they are way overkill on the street and i plan on taking them off after the track day.

-Zach

 

Keep in mind that enough heat to make them stop and enough heat to make them not damage the rotor are not necessarily the same. I would recommend the Carbotech pads the next time around if you intend to drive them around on the steets for a few days before and after the track events.

 

Yeah, I got the pads for a steal which is why i picked them up. Otherwise i probably would have run PFC-01's on the front and PFC-97's in the rear. My car is running double duty at this HPDE, with me and my father running in two separate classes so i needed something with a high MOT. I also flushed the fluid and am now running Motul RBF600.

 

Hey Mahjik, what track is that in your avatar? Any good tracks around KC?

 

That one is Heartland Park in Topeka, Kansas: http://hpt.com/store/catalog/

Basically, in the area there is Hearthland, MAM up in Nebraska, Hallet down in Oklahoma and a few others. Those aren't that far to drive to from KC, but a quite a drive from STL.

There is a track going in up by the KCI airport. I don't know of the timeline for completion though. It will be a club type like the Autobahn Club in Illinois.

 

Autobahn looks so nice but damn is it expensive.

 

Just wait for a group to rent the track. I've seen several groups rent the track out quite a bit and their HPDE days are affordable. Memberships are what the expensive thing is which unless I win the lottery, I'll never belong to some place like that.

Here's the one opening up by the KCI airport: http://kcimotorsportspark.com/

 

Bad idea and useless, really. Go out on the way to the track and bed those suckers in properly (ie, several 80-10 mph applications near ABS threshold and then let cool without hitting them). Driving around in street driving isn't going to do crap to fully bed them in.

 

Have you tried the XP10s? I've never run the 8s, but the 10s have incredible bite. By far the most impressive race pads I've used, comparable to Hawk blues except with much better initial bite.

 

Not yet. Honestly, I don't have the tires to really overwork the stock pads on the M3 with the tracks I'm running right now. I just put the XP8's on there for a little added protection. When I upgrade to a more stickier street tire for the M3, I'll probably try the XP10's.