1FooknTiteFD

The reason that I offered other forum members other contact information is that I truly feel that conversion techniques know a lot more and is a lot more professional than you are in regards to wheels, racing or whatever. You go around and post on these boards as if you actually had experience racing or driving or whatnot but in actually you don't have any first hand experience but only push products so you can fill your own pockets. Like I said I'm not a "salesman" I'm on this forum because I like cars and if someone needed information regarding cars or whatever I would refer to people the most knowledgable source and that my friend is not you.

Don't be so dense, you've read my thread regarding all the other coilover suspension including Apex'i, Tein, HKS, and mazdaspeed etc...I offer unbiased opinions unlike you mr. JIC salesman. The only thing I ever said was that TEIN has a good established reputation and that the HA's are a good coilover system for the price $1300. Unlike you, whenever someone asks anything about suspension you always push JIC. I refer osdesigns as a vender because out of all the TEIN and wheel distributors he offers the lowest price and is the most knowledgeable. Admit it, you are just being a hater because you feel threatened that someone is competing against you because they can offer a better price, better service, and also more knowledge.

I find it hard to take any of your information seriously considering you are only a salesman and have little or no track experience. How can you even develop products, what are you developing? If you wanna prove me wrong I would be glad to challenge you to a race. We can do it on the track or a mountain pass. You can set up your wheel/tire/suspension, but no matter what you have it still won't do you any good. If you want we can even put money on it how's that? I did not claim I know everything which is why I referred this forum member to conversion techniques because they could offer more information than either you or I could.

What's fair? You're prices aren't even the best I've seen Rishie, don't even get into club pricing what the hell are you getting at? How am I intruding by reffering other forum members to knowledgeable tuning shops? Admit it, you have no interest on this forum other than filling your own pockets. Your information is not always the best and you just feel threatened that I am offering unbiased information and referrals because that can potentially harm your business.

by the way, i'm serious about that race, I'll be free late december to early january let me know if you have the ***** to take me up on it

ttb

dude rishie, i know you and victor have some past disagreements, but i can't believe you jumped on him for telling people about other places to get wheels. i recently found out my ex-gf's friend can get some good deals on volks...are you going to say i'm getting into your business if i tell people to give him a call and compare prices with you. don't want any drama or anything, just saying this is an internet forum and more competition is better for the consumer....

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iTrader: (22)

Price isn't everything. It's service. If you value the information you receive you should go to the place that provides it. It's simple.

I'm sure anyone of you can find a home run internet shop that has no overhead and can offer better pricing. We're not in the business for that. We retain our pricing levels according to what's been set by the manufacturers.

What is irritating is when we're in the middle of consulation and he jumps in here with that. He's done it before. Whenever I post anywhere he always has an alternate suggestion or comment on the product. I'm tired of it.

It's for the consumer to decide then. We specialize in wheel fitments for these vehicles so if someone wants to trust another who may not, but saves a buck or two then you're right it's their choice.

I'll be sure to do the same. What comes around goes around. Everyone can be happy or everyone can be miserable.

It's funny how you're so consumer oriented. Without a profitting business there will be no one to buy from. The big will get bigger and the small will dissappear. That doesn't mean that you'll get good consultation. The economy depends on profitting businesses.

So why did you buy rims from us ttb? Were you not happy with the work done and service provided? I'm surprised you didn't reply, "I got my wheels from ARD and was happy. They gave me a good deal and worked with my schedule to get them put on."

Whether you have family or a friend hook you up that's different. Not everyone has those hookups. We provide a great disount and sound consultation.

Do you work Victor? Why do you work? Same reasons I work. We all need to make money. If all I wanted was money I would have just posted a banner ad and called it quits. I wanted to try and retain a more personal means.

With regards to your race, all in due time young sir. I finish my car and we go apples to apples you're set. I stopeed thrashing on mountain passes five years ago. And have been patiently awaiting entry into club events and such.

However, I do not see what that has to do with our wheel discussion. It doesn't take the greatest driver in the world to understand the fundamentals of physicsl, nor to take wheel measurements. Nor does it take a race car driver to recognize a good handling vehicle or good suspension setup or good suspension tuning or to be able to compare different suspensions to each other.

ttb

to be honest i think sleepR1 and maxcooper and rynberg and some others members have been more helpful than you. that's not a jab at you, i'm just stating from my experience. this is an internet forum, you give advice because you want to help people out, you shouldn't expect that just because you give out advice people are obliged to buy from you. i suppose with jason its a different since he actually pays for the servers, bandwidth, etc.

in another post i was nice and said thanks to you and sean for getting me the wheels..but since since you ask i'll give you the complete answer....

i got the wheels from you because you were cheaper than tirerack and i didn't know anybody else with a lower price

i wasn't completely happy with the service...my wheels had nicks in them....i'm busy with work these days and traveling so i just said **** it, i'll keep them. i also had a buyer for my stock wheels and didn't want to mess up that agreement since i had to deliver the wheels to him...if i wasn't traveling for work and didn't have a buyer line up for the stock wheels i probably would have not accepted those wheels with the nicks. at the very least i would have liked it if you gave me a cheaper price bc of the nicks. but hey, i'm not into nickle and diming people and i wanted the wheels that day so that was my choice.

i don't want drama...just saying you shouldn't get **** at people for posting about other sellers, vendors, etc. give advice, people will buy from you, don't think you have to worry about others stealing your business.

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i've very glad that victor posted that link, because i've always liked bbs wheels and thought about getting some but never knew of where to get them...now i know of you and that other place. it's all good....

1FooknTiteFD

If you want to push your products here then that's fine. That's your business and if you really are hooking people up then more power to you. However, where do you go off jumping on my case when I am offering forum members my opinions? You say that I always jump in the middle of a conversation etc, but you have done so in the past too, just do a quick search where you jumped in AFTER i did my friend.

You've done the exact same thing too rishie, just do a search. Though you may feel your information is valuable because you of your experience in dealing with certain products, I feel that I too have some input considering I drive my car hard and track it as well. You can be tired all you want but the fact of the matter is, I have every right to be here than you. I only offer unbiased opinions and if they are contrary to yours then so be it.

A normal driver won't be able to tell the difference between suspension X and suspension Y, he will recognize them to be almost equally as good. In our case TEIN and JIC. Though one may be better than the other, a normal driver wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two without adequete driving skill. However a good driver will be able to determine that little difference that makes cars handle better and will be able to determine how the most minute changes in a car will affect the handling characteristics of it.



Great contact me when you are ready, I will be looking forward to it

SleepR1

I am "slightly" disappointed in the internet "behavior" displayed by Victor and Rishie. I humbly submit that perhaps a bit more professionalism is needed especially since both men are representing themselves and their businesses. Denigrating one another is never good business, and might actually work AGAINST BOTH businesses. From my perspective, both men have valid points, and Rx7 Forum members are entitled to read each man's perspective. OTOH, when the debate degrades to personal attacks, as the moderator, I must intercede to keep things "clean".

On the lighter side of things...I'd be happy to offer my "services" as an unbiased test driver for BOTH Rishie and Victor for their upcoming Vendor "test". That way the same driver can test both car setups, and driving skill doesn't become an issue Of course you gentlemen will have to fly me over to the left-coast for your show down. We might even get Sport Compact Car interested in this little test of knowledge with regard to suspension and wheel/tire setups?

SleepR1

Thanks for your honest input. That took courage. We all benefit from your sincerity

BTW, don't forget about dclin. Daniel is also a valuable contributor to the wheel forum.

It's really great to have enthusiastic and knowledgeable contributors. I think all of us benefit as a community. I know I do...as my typing has decreased significantly (by not having to respond to the same old wheel/tire questions)

mightyslash

So it's gonna be FC vs. single turbo FD? I know it's a race in the twisties, which would depend more on driving skills. But still....Either way, i'll be there to watch

SleepR1

Well, I was hoping more for a lapping day with TracQuest at Thunderhill or Laguna Seca. I'm one of Todd Serota's (TracQuest guy) east coast drivers ed instructors so, I'd merely drive Rishie's car and then Victor's car, and see which car felt the best with regard to wheel/tire/brake/suspension setup...

artowar2

Yeah, SleepR1 you gotta throw the Phoenix on a trailer and head out to Laguna or Sears or Thunderhill or Willow Springs or Buttonwillow or....

While you're out here, you can test out your Volk centering rings under desert heat track conditions!

1FooknTiteFD

Actually I don't have a business. I am just a simple car enthusiast. Rishie was just getting upset that I go around offering my unbiased opinions regarding other places to get wheels, other types of suspension other than JIC etc... I have never personally dealt with rishie on a business level so I wouldn't know what type of service he offers to his customers but if it justifies a higher price then so be it. Also about that thing with going against what he says, I have a different opinion on things than he does so I don't see how that could actually be detrimental to anyone on the forum for having some input.


no it's going to be FC GTUS Vs. FC GTUS, I have a friend who has a GTUS i'll borrow his, that way it'll be fair. The only thing is it probably won't be as tricked out as rishie's but then again if it's a twisties race then it won't have to be.

V8HUNTER

Dude what is up with the nicks? That is unacceptable. If I forked over a couple grand in cash to pay for a new set of wheels, they better be in mint condition

stockrx7

So, is there still going to be a race or what?? I suggest Kings Mtn Road for montain racing, or the track at Thunderhill...

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iTrader: (22)

The tires and wheels came mounted to us from Tirerack, prepackaged. If there's an issue with the single nick that was on the extreme lip of the wheel ttb should have had us send them back and receive an unblemished wheel. This is no way reflects our service whatsoever.

Tinou, be a little more honest. You're the one who decided to waive replacing the wheel due to your own personal reasons, or not wanting to deal with it. Had I known that you would attribute that damage to our service I would have sent it back for you. So be a little more honest with what you say. Frankly, I don't know how else you could have been better serviced. All we did was put the wheels on the car for you. If you were unhappy with the nic, you should have spoken up and had us send them back to tire rack who did all the mount and balancing. No questions asked.

With regards to professionalism I do apologize but I have not ever encountered any issues with the forum or any ungrateful members until Victor began opening his mouth several months ago when I was introducing the JIC product line. I started this business because I like it, not because I'm a salesman and couldn't find anything else to sell.

I don't see how I have not been helpful in providing information/passing on information and ensuring fitments of various wheels. I've worked with this forum religiously for over a year and a half now.

I do agree that several of the members here have been helpful. And I have offered compensation to those members for doing so. An option that I don't believe many vendors do. I feel that those who have helped should be compensated. Those who own FD's have helped inform all of us as to the various combinations and with regards to FC's I have been able to do the same.

My disagreement was simply with the fact that I had been here to answer questions and get the information that was needed. I felt that I have been and was doing as good a job as anyone. But then Victor usually posts something that helps to take away from the efforts I've put forward. It's a habit that he's continued to build on. Feel free to look back and gather the evidence for yourself.

The only point victor ever makes is that I don't have the track time he does and therefore don't have the knowledge or capacity to offer consultation on these products. That's where he attempts to get personal and always has. But I still say, let's have a wheel compeition. Your race will only prove that you're a better driver, but let's see who knows more about wheels, structure, weights, offsets, history and so forth. That would be more applicable to the debate at hand.

Tinou, call tirerack and see if they'll take care of that problem for you. Something you should have done thru us from the get go. I'm very disappointed that you are attempting to put out false information about our company and services. Beware of what you say as it can be viewed as character defamation. We would have been more than happy to get you a wheel that didn't have a 3mm scratch at the rim lip.

Rishie

ttb

wtf, "character defamation." re-read my post. i said that in the end it was my decision to accept the wheels bc of my work schedule/other commitments. did i ever say rishie forced me to accept the wheels? no. how can i be more honest? if you want to be honest how about the fact that i pointed out the nics to you? doesn't this reflect poorly on your service? shouldn't you have inspected the wheels before handing it over to me? if you are the business man that you are you should realize customers don't care who's fault it is (fedex, tirerack, your)...when you get nasty food at a restaurant do you say "damn, the meat supplier must have sent a bad shipment" or do you say "that restaurant has bad food." i don't want to belabor this. i accepted the wheels, my choice. you asked if i was satisfied, or course not...blame it on fedex or tirerack for all i care...don't threaten me with character defamation...

ttb

i hope those members didn't accept any payment...it's a sad day when you post helpful info on the internet expecting a kick-back...

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iTrader: (22)

Tinou what I didn't appreciate is that you said you were not entirely happy with our service because of some nicks. By you saying that it leads everyone to believe that we were responsible for that damage and as a result you were not happy with our service.

If you meant otherwise please be more specific in the future. I take it, if there weren't any nicks you would have been very happy then, right? so what's the issue with you not being, "completely happy with the service." It wasn't our service but the service of tire rack or the manner of shipping that you weren't happy with. This is why your post can be viewed as character defamation.

What's sad is that one can't be appreciated for the work they've done. I'm showing those people appreciation in anyway that I can. It seems you have an issue with the ways in which I'm showing my charitable appreciation, by offering them additional discounts. I doubt that those gentlemen mind receiving some monitary compensation in the form of additional discounts. But hey, I could be wrong. Do you "kick back" anyone who has been helpful to you? From my experience very few do. So I've taken it upon myself to do what I can to commend those individuals. End of story. People like to be appreciated.

Frankly, being a moderator and putting out good information can't be the most gratifying job. At some point one will want to stop. The more we can do as a community to keep those individuals happy the better.

Rishie

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iTrader: (22)

I'm done arguing about this. I feel that members here are misrepresenting as well as misjudging myself as well as Automotive R & D so I've opted to defend ourselves. However at this point it's really not worth the time anymore.

In the past year or more I have been very happy with the direction and voluntary information that this section of the forum has been able to gather. However at this point it just seems that there are too many politics involved so I'm just gonna take a back seat approach and chime in when I have the time. Arguing is not a productive use of time and I really have no need to prove anything to anyone other than the efforts and time I've put into growing this side of the forum. I am extremely grateful to have members like SleepR1, maxcooper, and rynberg as an integral part of this community. I don't get around the board much but I do recognize those three to be time and time again helpful.

A "few", like very "few" of you may disagree that I've been helpful but that doesn't matter to me. I have been thanked many a time by forum members and that's good for me. I'm done with trying to argue and hopefully this will be the end of all this stupid drama.

"Do unto others as you would have them to unto you." I've respected Victor's space and not mentioned competing Tein dealers, like ourselves for one, and would have expected the same regardless of our differences. I decided that I would offer "x" products and he would offer "y" products. that way there's plenty to go around. And that was the intial point I was making.

SleepR1

Well it seems all the parties have have posted their perspectives on the matter. As a mod I try to see all the angles before closing a thread. I think this thread has run its course...

A few last words before I lock this thread.

I am sorry to read about ttb's dissastisfaction with his wheels/tires. It appears that sometimes a small nick is something we live with, rather than hassle with having the problem corrected, and I certainly see why ttb just said "screw it" and kept the product. Perhaps some of ttb's frustration is just misplaced anger, and not really meant to offend?

Victor's been quiet, so it's safe to say that he gets Rishie's drift. FWIW, I don't condone any sort of public road racing. There are plenty of road racing circuits there in Cali to enjoy, so let's keep the grudge matches on the track.

Rishie has many satisfied Rx7 Forum customers, BUT like the old saying goes, "you're not going to make everyone happy, all of the time". From what I've read, Rishie tries diligently in making his customers satisfied with his service. Keep up the great work, ARD T2!

Now for ttb's comment about kick-backs. I'm a little bothered by this comment. I don't think folks like rynberg, dclin, maxcooper, and myself are expecting any kickbacks when we help people out with their wheel/tire needs (with regard to fitment options and tire sizes).

FWIW I do get a bit weary typing the same solutions and suggestions over and over again. I very much appreciate it when Rishie, rynberg, maxcooper, dclin step up and post the correct answers, to the new folks.

IMHO if a vendor is able to increase his/her business through the activities of a few knowledeable people, I don't see how you folks would object to that vendor showing his/her appreciation through an extra discount offered to the few knowledgeable wheel experts?

It's a win-win-win! The Rx7 Forum members get a product that fits properly at a discount (Rx7 Forum members receive discounts through ARD T2). The vendor increases sales through the expansion of the knowledge throughout the Rx7 community. The few knowledgeable folks get a small token of appreciation from the vendor. It's all good, folks!

OK, I've posted the last words, so it's time to close the thread.

Best regards,

Your humble moderator...