I want to know what I should replace on my 10th AE upgrade:
1. Sway Bar F+R
2. Chamber Adjust
3. Neoprene Bushings

The car already has Tokico Shocks and Eibach springs...
Should I change the car to coil overs???
Does anyone make coil overs for FC's???

 

[The car already has Tokico Shocks and Eibach springs...
Should I change the car to coil overs???
Does anyone make coil overs for FC's??? [/B][/QUOTE]

http://www.ground-control.com/

 

Don't get a rear sway bar, all you need is a front. FC's understeer enough, a rear sway bar will only make that worse.

If you already have Tokico shocks/Eibach springs, I would only upgrade if you're going to be road racing the car. Other wise, you don't need the adjustability. Get a front sway bar, rear toe-steer eliminator, and new bushings. Front and rear camber adjust is nice, but again you don't need it unless you race a lot. For street driving, you just don't need it.

 

I'd stay away from Neoprene bushings. Too mushy. Now polyurethane would be a better choice.

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Will coil overs allow bigger tires than on a stock suspension???
I plan on rebuilding the car from ground up.... I just want to make sure I do everything right the first time....
Anyone know a good custom suspension shop in Orange county in Cali????

 

From what I hear, on the front, the strut it the limiting factor. Even with smalled diameter springs and a smaller spring perch (relative to stock) the struts stay in the way. With the right offset (I forget however) you can run with 235 up front and 265 in the rear. The right offset and tires make all the difference.

jerk_racer@hotmail.com

 

If you need any of this stuff, PM me and I'll tell you what coilovers are offered.

Rishie

 

Will coil overs make the car a extremely rough ride???

 

Depends on the shock settings and spring (hint, hint: same as a strut/spring combo). Coilovers just offer lots of adjustment possibilities compared to strut/spring combos. Very nice if you need to have your car dialed in perfectly, otherwise not really worth it (this is coming from a guy that wants a set but can't afford one )

jerk_racer@hotmail.com

 

A good (and somewhat oversimplified) rule of thumb is that wherever you add a sway bar, you will REDUCE traction at that end. That's why most cars have them at the front. For the average driver, car manufacturers know that understeer is safer than oversteer. Imagine the average driver having the tail go out entering an off-ramp on the highway because of excess speed - He/she probably will not know how to correct it, and the results could be Bad News. But if it understeers, you just back off the throttle, and the front will come back on its own. So - Removing the front sway bar (with no bar at the rear) will tend to make the car more neutral because it reduces the weight transfer to the outside wheel when cornering. Adding a rear bar (to a car equipped w/a front bar) will have the same effect.

 

Ooops! Typo error! The next to last line in the above post should read "INCREASES the weight transfer to the outside wheel when cornering. (Attention Deficit Disorder!!!)

 

Tripoint Engineering is a good suspension shop in LA.

Also try Mariah Motorsports: they make a flared front fender that allows one to put 255/17's all the way around with custom offset rims! They also would be good to talk to about suspension mods.

Coil overs will allow a larger front tire to be run.

GNX7

 

what is Tripoints web address???

 

Who has the best front sway bar??
Will I need a rear toe-steer eliminator with the coil overs???

 

Anyone know Tripoint Engineering Site????

 

http://www.tripointengineering.com/

 

You should get the rear steer eliminators even if you don't go with the coilovers. That reminds me I STILL need to install mine. They've been sitting around for 2 years.

 

Cusco makes nice strut braces... How about their Sway bars???

And who makes the rear toe-steer eliminator?

 

Actually, adding a front sway bar will increase understeer. As a general rule, when you stiffen the front or rear suspension(struts, springs, or sway bar) then you will reduce traction at that end. So adding a rear sway bar will decrease rear-end traction which increases oversteer. So if you want to get rid of some understeer, then get both, but make sure the rear one is bigger, or just get adjustable sway bars and make the rear one more tight. Of course sway bars are just one way to adjust the handling of your car. If you car is understeering and you have non-adustable sway bars, then the stiffen the rear struts, or if you have coilovers, then swap in stiffer springs in the back. Thats why I love coilovers, it makes it so easy to dial in your cars handling characteristics. As another general rule, its better to stiffen the suspension rather than soften to get rid of oversteer or understeer. For instance, if you have understeer, its better to stiffen the rear to decrease rear traction, rather than soften the front to increase front traction. By softening the front your are going to allow your front end to roll more in corners. Note this is only a general rule, and this is not always true.

I currently run with 375lbs. springs up front and 325lbs in the rear. It's pretty tail-happy and loves to oversteer at the auto-x, but I like to trail-brake, and slightly 4-wheel drift on exiting corners, so the oversteer suits my driving style. I have some 250lbs springs that I am going to swap in the rear sometime soon to see how they feel.

As for the rear-steer eliminator bushings, the stiffer your suspension, the more your need these bushings. When you get stiffer springs, and anti-roll(sway)bars your car will have a lot less body roll. As a results much more pressure and weight transfer is added to the suspension. The rear-steer only occurs when a lot of load is on your suspension. This load level occurs more frequently and on lesser severe corners with a stiffer than stock suspension. You can get the rear-steer bushings from Mazdatrix.

 

Cusco doesn't make sway bars. Racing Beat makes the rear steer eliminator bushings. They're the same ones Mazdatrix sells.

 

the front sway bar is used to keep the front flatter to keep the REAR tyres more in contact with the tarmac when ENTERING the corner.

the rear sway bar is used to keep the rear flatter so when powering out of the corner you aren't starting to lift inside front wheels - rally style

 

How benificial is the rear toe enlimator good for a stock suspension setuP??

 

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