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Old 10-11-06 | 09:18 PM
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Effect of worn bushings and ride height on alignment

Just got back from getting the FD aligned. Setup is:
Konis - front at highest perch, rear at middle
H&R Springs
Newish shock tower bushings and new spring pads
New Rotary Extreme trailing arms and toe links
Eibach sways front/rear

Ride height is 25.5" front and rear

The issue was that I couldn't get less than -1.2 degrees camber on the passenger side rear. On the driver side rear, it looked like we could not get less than -0.8 degrees camber. I was aiming for -1 degree camber up front and -0.8 camber in rear. B/c I could not get less than -1.2 on the rear, I wound up setting both front and rear camber at -1.2.

I'm thinking that this might be due to a worn bushing in the rear. Probably the rear upper A arm. I'm also hearing some clunking from that side.

What do you guys think? Thanks.
Old 10-11-06 | 09:36 PM
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You should be easily able to get less camber than that, and I don't see how worn bushings would effect that.
Old 10-12-06 | 12:23 AM
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Yes, I should but we were unable to. Hence my wondering if something might be askew.

Camber is adjusted using the camber bolt on the lower rear arm, right?
Old 10-12-06 | 09:37 AM
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Something aint right... you can and should be able to crank over 2 degrees of camber into the car. I've currently got -1.7 rear on a car that's 25" at the fender lips... and there was more available.
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Thank you both for the participation.

I can easily get -2 degrees or more on both sides of the rear suspension. Problem is I want less than 2 degrees.

I wanted -0.8 degrees on the rear. I can't get LESS than -1.2 degrees on the passenger side rear!

Hope that clarifies things.
Old 10-12-06 | 11:20 AM
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I could get down to less than 0.5 deg in the rear, even with the car to 25" fender height. Something is definitely wrong.
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Yeah, same... when I checked my car at the track last time out, it had ZERO camber on the rear tires. Do you have aftermarket toe/trailing arms?
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Yes, I do. A new set of Rotary Extreme trailing arms and toe links. The rear suspension's pillowball bushings were replaced a few years ago (~4 years maybe). However I do hear a clunk from the passenger side rear so at least one bushing back there seems to have failed again.

My thoughts were that a worn bushing on the upper rear A arm could cause the top of the hub/bearing/spindle thing to lean the wheel/tire inward thereby increasing the amount of camber through this fault.

Not sure if my rationale is correct, but it seems to be sound. I had wondered if decreasing ride height might have reached the limits of camber adjustment but apparently there are people lower than 25.5" with no camber adjustment issues like myself.
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i'd look into that bushing, but also be sure to check and see that the trailing/toe are adjusted properly.

When I first lowered my car I chose to put it on the lowest setting on Koni yellows w/ Eibach springs. it was ridiculously low, like a show car... and I still got the thing adjusted back out to factory specs. You SHOULD be able to get yours right, it's not that low. Mines lower right now.
Old 10-13-06 | 01:07 AM
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I will do that. Just wanted to get input to make sure I didn't miss something before spending my hard earned cash. -1.2 degrees of camber is more than I need and doesn't feel the best on some of the streets I drive.

The H&Rs sit a bit higher than the Eibachs and my ride height is exactly where I want it. Who needs coilovers

Thanks!
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