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Old 03-13-02 | 09:57 PM
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Which are the best coilovers

Im new to the site, but i just picked up a 93 RX-7, and i was wondering if you could help me with some info on the best coilovers for the car................thanks.
Old 03-14-02 | 12:37 AM
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get ohlins

or penske......drrooool
Old 03-14-02 | 11:01 AM
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There is a thread on this question already.

Coilovers choice is very subjective. There are a number of great manufacturers.

You need to know what you plan to do with your car to best answer this question...road race, road use, autocross, drag race, show...etc...
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Umm...coilovers are NOT subjective. However, I do agree that there are quite a few quality-built coilovers out there. Your best bet is to find a good builder and order to your specifications/requirements.

TrueChoice and/or ProParts are very knowledgeable about Konis. You can revalve the yellows or order a set of 2812 (like Gordon's).

The Racer's Group and/or Fordahl Motorsports can build JRZ per your valving.

Ankeny Racing is THE place to source Penske...again, he can custom valve a nice set for you.

Ohlins are nice and their top end is pricey (TS44 is $2400 per corner). They don't have a previously made application for the FD. So you'll have to trust them on it.

The first 3 shops can rebuild/service your dampers if you need changes and/or tune-up/refreshes.

I recall there are a coupla shops that can rebuild Japanese tuner parts (A'PEXi, TEIN) but I can't recall who or where. Also, although their pre-valved kits are very good, it may not be optimized for what your application may be.

Good luck in your selection.
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JIC-magic. Way better than Apexi and Tein. more for your money and custom valvable/spring ratable.

Retail on top of the line including pillowball mounts, 15 way adjustable, rates of 10K and 8K is $1850.00. Utilizes one perch for setting preload of the spring and another to adjust height by moving the shock body up or down.

There's no comparison at this price for the quality and functionality.

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Old 03-14-02 | 06:04 PM
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What about the TEIN HA's. The value set which includes pillowballs, 16 way adjustible, 10K 8K(I think), helper spring,.... is only about $1000.
Old 03-14-02 | 07:16 PM
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Subjective in that the valving is really dependent on what you like as a driver! I like softer setups, you might like a harder one...very subjective...whatever works to maximize the driver's potential in the car's performance...
Old 03-14-02 | 08:06 PM
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What about tien ra on another site those were the favorite?
Old 03-14-02 | 08:31 PM
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No way are the HA's a 1000.00 with pillowball mounts. I know they sell for 895.00 without mounts at all, possibly rigids but I doubt that too.

The HA is a twin tube 36mm piston strut design that requires the use of a helper spring, that's no good when you can get adjustment independent of the springs preloading.

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TEIN is know cause they hit the US soil first and had a running start. Now that JIC is here, there's a lot better product available at a better price.

The JIC I'm referring to are comparable to the R series TEINS. A tein equivalent to the JIC would retail around $400.00 more dollars at least.

Tein is known to have very high spring rates as well. We distribute Tein as well, but I will sell the better product. If you want the Tein let me know, but I'm advising you that you'd be happier with the JIC.

THE JIC I'm refferring to are comparable if not better than the RA's. They have the same attributes.
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Penske, Moton, JRZ...pick your poison.&nbsp I hope your wallet can handle the prices...



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Old 03-17-02 | 05:02 PM
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Mmmmmm, coilovers...Such STIFF suspension, eh eh eh
Old 03-18-02 | 12:50 PM
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such stiff COMPETITION...har har...get it?
Old 03-18-02 | 09:22 PM
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Penske's or Koni 2812 which is the king.. The current Tri-Point says koni, but the car had penske's on it.. and the guy who built it says penske... (I'm talking about the infamous Tri-point asp rx7... So wihich is better??? for 1200 per corner (ouch)
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They are both exception quality dampers that can be shimmed to your requirements. Both offer fancy digressive valves. Both can be user-rebuildable (if you know how and have a shock dyno ). The Konis are actually more expensive as the $1200 is for double adjustable 2812. The Penske 8100 are double adjustable also but cost "only" $825 per corner. Their triple-adjustable 8760 is $1250 per corner. I think 2 adjustments is one too many for me already.

You can also check out the Drummond Motorsport (DMS) offering by M2 Performance. Our autox clubs own Pat Richard (www.rocketrally.com) who runs a factory-sponsored Subaru WRX uses these dampers.
Old 03-22-02 | 07:36 PM
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Ok....here goes

I know very little about suspension systems. So (since I can't get the damn search feature to work here) what is the difference between shocks/struts and coilovers? Is one type better than the other? Do they have different uses? One type more adjustable than the other? I'm looking to make my future rex a well rounded driving machine. A little drag, a little autoX, a little road racing...you know. So what is the difference between something like say, tokico illuminas and those penske coilovers? (both in design, price, purpose, function etc.) Thanks for your help!

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Once again.

JIC FLT-A2s for the money. I have yet to see a better one for less. At $1850.00 it can't be beat. Includes pillowball mounts, 15way adjustable, high pressure nitrogen charged, separate perch for preload and lowering. Just some good **** and pretty too. hehe.

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Old 03-22-02 | 11:38 PM
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I'm curious why those JDM companies keep referring to level of adjustments as "ways"? There are a maximum of 4 ways...slow rebound/compression and fast rebound/compression. Most of the "ways" are steps within the single adjustment. Some offer adjustment in both rebound and compression. 3 - 4 ways are too complicated for anyone not a full time racer, IMHO.

Just pondering out loud...
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Re: Ok....here goes

Originally posted by BlackDragon
I know very little about suspension systems. One type more adjustable than the other? I'm looking to make my future rex a well rounded driving machine. A little drag, a little autoX, a little road racing...you know. So what is the difference between something like say, tokico illuminas and those penske coilovers? (both in design, price, purpose, function etc.) Thanks for your help!

As mentioned earlier, there are up to 4 ways of controlling the rate of a damping. Slow rebound and jounce are for weight transfer control (less than 2 cycles per second) and fast rebound and jounce adjustment are for bumps on the road (> 2 cycles).

Dampers like Penske, JRZ, Moton, Ohlins uses flexible shims that can be stacked to vary the rate that fluid passes through the orifice of the piston. They offer tons of various combinations to give you precisely what is required. Most other brands use strictly the orifice and damper oil / gas pressure for damping rate.

For most ppl, a nice set of Koni Sports and Eibachs actually do a good job for the FD. But once you get whooped by a stock Neon running JRZ, you'll decide that Penske's or JRZ's are in your future.

Penske's site has some good technical info on shock: www.penskeshocks.com
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What about the Apex'i N1 coilovers?
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Only single adjustable perch. Therefore eliminating suspension travel when lowered. Not like the JIC FLT-A2's.

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