Anyone heard of NEX coilovers?
12-14-07 | 06:50 PM
#27
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that was a good try.
ob-vi-ous-ly. now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
it is impossible to buy and drive on and dyno every single coilover on the market. if your argument was correct, nobody would be able to form an opinion on anything they have not had direct experience with. that argument also ignores the dubious nature of butt dynoing suspension components. if only we were all more sophisticated in putting together our cars. unfortunately we aren't, so we use inferior methodology. luckily, people have big brains relative to the lower animal orders, and can draw conclusions based on other evidence, such as
1. the fact that they sell for roughly $650.
2. the fact that a set of bare minimum quality shocks simply cannot be had for less than $600
3. the fact that a set of quality springs (hyperco, eibach, and arguably swift) can hardly be had for less than $200+
4. i acknowledge and believe in efficient markets
5. i note that if nex could seriously produce and assemble quality components for 1/2-2/3 the costs of their competitors, they would dominate both grassroots and professional racing markets. and they would deserve it.
6. i note that no such exposure has occurred
7. therefore, i conclude that nex is garbage
i find this model to be a a believable picture of the industry, since even teh bare minimum coilover (tein basics) runs about $800 and the cheapo entry level coilovers are around $1000. if you use a subpar components, cheap chinese manufacturing, add shipping costs to the states, and add a bit for profit and retailer cut, those seem to be realistic numbers for retail pricing. you are welcome to draw your own conclusion about a set that sells for $650. i've said my piece.
ob-vi-ous-ly. now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
it is impossible to buy and drive on and dyno every single coilover on the market. if your argument was correct, nobody would be able to form an opinion on anything they have not had direct experience with. that argument also ignores the dubious nature of butt dynoing suspension components. if only we were all more sophisticated in putting together our cars. unfortunately we aren't, so we use inferior methodology. luckily, people have big brains relative to the lower animal orders, and can draw conclusions based on other evidence, such as
1. the fact that they sell for roughly $650.
2. the fact that a set of bare minimum quality shocks simply cannot be had for less than $600
3. the fact that a set of quality springs (hyperco, eibach, and arguably swift) can hardly be had for less than $200+
4. i acknowledge and believe in efficient markets
5. i note that if nex could seriously produce and assemble quality components for 1/2-2/3 the costs of their competitors, they would dominate both grassroots and professional racing markets. and they would deserve it.
6. i note that no such exposure has occurred
7. therefore, i conclude that nex is garbage
i find this model to be a a believable picture of the industry, since even teh bare minimum coilover (tein basics) runs about $800 and the cheapo entry level coilovers are around $1000. if you use a subpar components, cheap chinese manufacturing, add shipping costs to the states, and add a bit for profit and retailer cut, those seem to be realistic numbers for retail pricing. you are welcome to draw your own conclusion about a set that sells for $650. i've said my piece.
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12-14-07 | 07:04 PM
#28
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don't get me wrong.
i have no doubt that reputable companies commonly put out incredibly crappy products. hell, this happens all the time across industries. that's why we have products liability, implied/express warranty of merchantability, etc.
i also have no doubt that sometimes you can get a good product for a bargain.
i also recognize that sometimes the application doesn't justify a quality product that costs an arm and a leg; for instance someone who would be happy boosting 6psi with a diy turbocharger kit would hardly catch flack for putting on a ebay manifold instead of a real quality equal length.
i keep my mouth shut about the megan coilover itself because the price is such that it could conceivably be comparable to the $1200 brand name coilovers, and i don't have much information about them beyond that. i just don't support them because of a few instances of problems in what should be simple products, and how they subseuqnetly treated customers.
but sometimes the product is so cheap and the part itself is so crucial that i personally can't justify it. nex falls into that category for me. like i said, others are welcome to draw their own conclusions. i simply put my argument out there for consideration.
i have no doubt that reputable companies commonly put out incredibly crappy products. hell, this happens all the time across industries. that's why we have products liability, implied/express warranty of merchantability, etc.
i also have no doubt that sometimes you can get a good product for a bargain.
i also recognize that sometimes the application doesn't justify a quality product that costs an arm and a leg; for instance someone who would be happy boosting 6psi with a diy turbocharger kit would hardly catch flack for putting on a ebay manifold instead of a real quality equal length.
i keep my mouth shut about the megan coilover itself because the price is such that it could conceivably be comparable to the $1200 brand name coilovers, and i don't have much information about them beyond that. i just don't support them because of a few instances of problems in what should be simple products, and how they subseuqnetly treated customers.
but sometimes the product is so cheap and the part itself is so crucial that i personally can't justify it. nex falls into that category for me. like i said, others are welcome to draw their own conclusions. i simply put my argument out there for consideration.
12-14-07 | 09:05 PM
#29
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Customer reviews of suspensions are next to worthless 99% of the time. Most people go from worn out old stock crap to coilovers and pronounce them to be amazing. Sure mediocre feels great compared to crap, but if you've never felt excellent, then you have no idea really. Here we have someone going from a known to be bad suspension to something else, so no big surprise that it feels good.
I trust reviews from people who race or are track junkies and who've experienced good suspensions, because to them ultimate performance is important and they seek out the best stuff and they will know if it's any better than the last one they tried because of the lap times. You'll never know how good it really is untill you push it to the limit, and you can't really do that on the street.
Shocks are incredibly complex and hard to get right, probably the most voodoo thng on the car. Even the F1 shocks aren't perfect, and for the price of the really cheap coilovers they can't have much development time in them, so it's safe to assume that the damping is less than ideal.
I trust reviews from people who race or are track junkies and who've experienced good suspensions, because to them ultimate performance is important and they seek out the best stuff and they will know if it's any better than the last one they tried because of the lap times. You'll never know how good it really is untill you push it to the limit, and you can't really do that on the street.
Shocks are incredibly complex and hard to get right, probably the most voodoo thng on the car. Even the F1 shocks aren't perfect, and for the price of the really cheap coilovers they can't have much development time in them, so it's safe to assume that the damping is less than ideal.
12-15-07 | 03:02 PM
#30
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^Unless you tried it, its not "safe to assume" anything. Like I said before; I've seen a lot of supposedly "cheap crap" work better than the name brand stuff. And dont forget some things that work good on the track might suck on the street. These NEX coilovers might just be good for the street only. Who knows. Personally I'm getting the Meagan ones. I already got the "cheap ebay" hard tie rods, trailing arms and toe links. But to each his own fellas.
12-15-07 | 08:59 PM
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yeah thats whats so great about them they are a great street coil over. if you dont track your car what do you have to loose they back there product up with a warentee. and i have already told you they ride just fine.
step into the nex genoration
take the nex challange.
jk...
step into the nex genoration
take the nex challange.
jk...
12-17-07 | 01:28 PM
#35
Ive had nothing but Teins on my old s13.. started with a used set of HR *was at the time before the super street series*, then to a set of Tein HR drift specs which her higher end... now I got a FC that was fitted with Megan street coils.. Not my personal taste but I would like to upgrade them later for some Teins.
Alot of people like the Megans and say they are ok.. They are kind of bouncy, possibly due to thier dampning system..
Decent coilovers, and I mean DECENT, should be around $1k..
My buddy bought some Ksport coilovers for his Lexus LS400.. had them on for 1 month and one of the struts blew out on it!!!!! His car isnt aggressivly driven.. just daily driven.. Those are cheap coilovers.. He bought them new thru a seller on ebay.. He contacted Ksport and they where cool enough to send him a pair of new shocks for replacement free of charge, he jus had to give proof of purchase... Even tho they are cheap, I guess its cool that these companies actually want to help thier customers..
Companies like Tein etc, can require rebuild of the shocks... these cheaper companies just use replacable shocks.
Alot of people like the Megans and say they are ok.. They are kind of bouncy, possibly due to thier dampning system..
Decent coilovers, and I mean DECENT, should be around $1k..
My buddy bought some Ksport coilovers for his Lexus LS400.. had them on for 1 month and one of the struts blew out on it!!!!! His car isnt aggressivly driven.. just daily driven.. Those are cheap coilovers.. He bought them new thru a seller on ebay.. He contacted Ksport and they where cool enough to send him a pair of new shocks for replacement free of charge, he jus had to give proof of purchase... Even tho they are cheap, I guess its cool that these companies actually want to help thier customers..
Companies like Tein etc, can require rebuild of the shocks... these cheaper companies just use replacable shocks.
12-17-07 | 11:57 PM
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Tein Super Drift, Tanabe Sevens, Tanabe DD (if you can get them), Zeal Super Function, and DG5, are pretty much the only ones i'd pay full price for. with hook up pricing i'd get the stance external reservoir model.
12-18-07 | 04:49 PM
#38
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