soo is this negative then?

and this positive or am i just stupid?

 

Not necessarily. "the lip" is partially a function of wheel design, not just the offset of the wheel. For a picture of what offset is, see:

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...jsp?techid=101

 

man its going to be a pain when i need to get some new rims

 

it took me a couple of months... but i got it

 

****, you're preaching to the choir bro, haha. When I got my Enkei's I wasn't happy to discover that both my wheels had the same lip even though the offsets were different. I was just trying to put it as simply as possible cause it didn't seem like he was understanding.

 

You have the idea. Rim design is also a factor on the lip size but you're thinking in the right direction. And yeah, i quoted pictures . . . hate me