I've sent you a PM.

I've got some opinions on the gear I've actually used, but at this point I'm pretty biased. I was considering the Autronic SM4, any of Pectel's ECUs, and the newer MoTeC ECUs. The Autronic's feature set is really impressive, even if you ignore the fact it's inexpensive by high-end ECU standards. If you've got a dealer in your area, give them a call and ask if you can come by and watch them tune a car from scratch. If you've tuned other ECUs, it will open your eyes to how things should be.

 

make no mistake microwreck are a certified joke v's any decent computer

the points outlined by others are how it is, if you want to fit a hideous piece of garbage to your car simply cause *it runs 7's* then your a moron and pretty much its made for you

for normal people there is a plethora of product out there that is much better in every regard, BUT not for the talentless shops who want the simplest/easiest/biggest money profit margin option to flog to you in their best interests.

I'd use an Autronic any day of the week, for you US rotary people PM enzo250 of here, he is the man

 

Myself I would go PFC any day of the week over Microturd and the Apexi is well supported.
Im running a PFC at the moment but will upgrade to the Motec MR2 for the 13B as this offers greater resolution and whole load of new features and the price is quite competitive.

 

I would reconsider the M2R; it's just MoTeC trying to make some more money off of their old M4 ECU design (which is good, but dated). If you're going to buy anything MoTeC, get into at least an M400. Otherwise, I would look elsewhere.

 

Honestly the Autronic ***** o the Motec, we have M400's and M800's at work and apart form the nice gold case they cant do what an Autronic will

throttle/manifold mapping anyone & proven auto tune

they are the best ECU around for the **** we do with them.

tune 0-100% throttle (off boost) then type in what AFR you want for any boost level after that via a table and it does it perfectly, no guessing, no headaches, amazing feature and great product. go buy it

the best motec can come up with is quick lambda which is ghetto by comparison, I know cause I have used both extensively. Autronic hands down........... and the others well dont get me started haha

 

I guess I'm a moron just like all these other guys.LOL. http://www.microtechefi.com/microtech-racing.php

 

Hype does sell

dont confuse it for quality or any level of precission though, both of which are totaly not needed in drag racing, just look at the fastest on the planet = mechanical injected !

argument over

 

Cheers for the info Rice, a lot of Supra guys in the UK use Autronic but no RX7s as yet. Can you use the existing Loom in the FD with Autronic?
Obviously you will need a Bosch Wideband Sensor plumbed permently in the downpipe for the autotune to work or does the Autronic kit come with a sensor?

 

Auto tune in not the big sell on Autronic firstly in my books. its the throttle/manifold mapping that is worth its weight in gold that makes all other ecu options look like a serious joke.

If you want auto tune the best way and I recomend only way is to buy an Autronic AFR meter (a or b model) and use it to set up the ECU, once the ecu is set auto tune is not relevant anymore...... you only use it on initial tuning, only benifit is to cut tuning time down by about a factor of 10! compared to a pro doing it manualy, still needs a skilled operator to capture trends and do table set ups between zones but it does indeed take the human element of guess work out

On fd loom wise your best off pm'ing enzo250 he has done fd instals I dont have one on my fd as yet but if ever i wanted to swap out the Apexi that would get the nod over an overated motec. And the other rubbish mentioned can be left to the hype merchants, I see the **** every other day and hate them with a passion for good reasons *again mentioned by others* lol

 

As Rice Racing said, you don't need a wideband controller installed all of the time. You're mainly going to use it to map the fuel tables; it's not needed again until you change something that will affect your engine's VE. Tuning the Autronic consists of correcting the ECU's vision of your engine's volumetric efficiency, not twiddling pulse widths in the time domain. This is why most Autronic fuel curves look pretty flat when viewed in 3D. Doing it this way is what makes the target AFR table work. rather than retuning the car to get to a different AFR at some point, you just tell the ECU that you want a new AFR. It deals with the rest.

I've tuned all of this with an Innovate LC-1, but I'm going to be picking up an Autronic Model B analyzer soon for comparison. The SM4 doesn't have a wideband controller built in (it has an analog input to connect with an external WBo2 meter), but it can directly interface with most narrow band sensors for things like closed-loop.

 

Autronics make sense... had no heard about it before....

I have a MicroTech, and is like people here said... at WOT is the one. I was able to tune my FD pretty well at cruse and also increase mpg though. It did take me a lot of cruse tuning and functions settings back and forth but mine is a respectable daily driver. Also... the do it myself is worth the wreck!! Went to dyno 1st time, got the reference, and it’s been 2 years or so since my last visit. So I'm keeping it for now ‘till I finish my next upgrade. Would definitely give a shot to that Autronic thing...


What's the cost of these units???

 

Im a microtech owner. I never had problems with the Standalone . It really depends on your budget. If you just have minor Mods like a hybrid turbo and stock ports. I would consider a Microtech only because it is the only Stanalone i have ever used on my car. It has reliabilty compared to a stock ECU. I have my MT for @4years now and replaced my motor once because i wanted to build some power. As of now my motor brings out low 400's to the wheels, with of course the
some other mods backing it up. This weekend with the same Standalone and supported mods im Cranking the boost 16psi and up. Im hoping good numbers. If im not satisfied ill just go back to the drawing board and start all over again. Remember its a hobby you like to do. Search and read read before you make the next step. Good luck on your decision.

 

I have PFC and I am pleased with it.

 

i am running a power fc my car runs beautiful ....it is making 417hp at the wheels on 12 psi of boost with plenty of room for more power

i have owned numerous performance cars and used a few different computers and i must say on bang for buck i rate the power fc way up there i mean how can you go wrong with such a great product

 

I have a TEC3 and love it. I also had a Haltech and got rid of it and went electromotive.

Anthony

 

those anybody have any experience with the electomotive and microtech and the autotronic? meaning in comparing all three. seems like alot of diff. opions on the microtech. so how about the auotronic and electomotive.

 

also, we all know anthony and erinie t have produced great #"s with the electomotive. so how is the support,features,ets. on the electomotive and autotronic? just trying to get more info from those who have used these systems. thanks justin

 

You can produce great numbers with anything. I've only used the Electromotive TEC2, and unless you were waving a ton of cash in my face, I wouldn't touch one again. Electromotive's offerings are more sophisticated than Microtech's, but they don't hold a candle to the current state of the art (e.g. MoTeC M800, Pectel SQ6, Autronic SM4).

If you want a TEC2, I know someone selling two of them for cheap; already configured to run on a 13B.