The same as Injector Dynamics..But Cheaper..PFFT!!!
01-29-13, 10:19 AM
#1
The same as Injector Dynamics..But Cheaper..PFFT!!!
I think all of you guys should take a look at this thread by Paul Yaw from Injector Dynamics. Food for thought...what you thought was the "same Injector."
http://www.injectordynamics.com/size14.html
http://www.injectordynamics.com/size14.html
01-30-13, 10:51 AM
#2
I think this article proves a good point. When competing companies compare themselves to one another, its likely a miss. I think most everyone that uses ID injectors are nothing but happy with the quality product they receive. Of course, like all quality products there is another guy lurking to copy, replicate or undershoot for a piece of the action.
However, I definitely would not say that ID is the only company that sells quality Bosch EV-14 injectors. There are a few companies that perform similar testing and injector grouping without the marketing and what has now become the household name of Injector Dynamics.
I purchased my EV-14's from http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.com/ They have been in business for a few years with over a million injectors in their inventory. Once I spoke with them, it was very apparent that they knew their stuff. Though I researched my required body sizes for my aftermarket rails, they were on point to confirm I was getting the right injectors. They don't advertise or compete with ID. They just seemed to sell a quality product with great customer service. Yes, they were half the price of ID injectors.
When shopping for injectors I tried to steer clear of the vendors that claimed just the same as the above article. I found a good vendor that sold a good product at a good price.
However, I definitely would not say that ID is the only company that sells quality Bosch EV-14 injectors. There are a few companies that perform similar testing and injector grouping without the marketing and what has now become the household name of Injector Dynamics.
I purchased my EV-14's from http://www.fuelinjectorconnection.com/ They have been in business for a few years with over a million injectors in their inventory. Once I spoke with them, it was very apparent that they knew their stuff. Though I researched my required body sizes for my aftermarket rails, they were on point to confirm I was getting the right injectors. They don't advertise or compete with ID. They just seemed to sell a quality product with great customer service. Yes, they were half the price of ID injectors.
When shopping for injectors I tried to steer clear of the vendors that claimed just the same as the above article. I found a good vendor that sold a good product at a good price.
01-31-13, 05:21 AM
#3
I think this article proves a good point. When competing companies compare themselves to one another, its likely a miss. I think most everyone that uses ID injectors are nothing but happy with the quality product they receive. Of course, like all quality products there is another guy lurking to copy, replicate or undershoot for a piece of the action.
However, I definitely would not say that ID is the only company that sells quality Bosch EV-14 injectors. There are a few companies that perform similar testing and injector grouping without the marketing and what has now become the household name of Injector Dynamics.
I purchased my EV-14's from Welcome to FuelInjectorConnection.com They have been in business for a few years with over a million injectors in their inventory. Once I spoke with them, it was very apparent that they knew their stuff. Though I researched my required body sizes for my aftermarket rails, they were on point to confirm I was getting the right injectors. They don't advertise or compete with ID. They just seemed to sell a quality product with great customer service. Yes, they were half the price of ID injectors.
When shopping for injectors I tried to steer clear of the vendors that claimed just the same as the above article. I found a good vendor that sold a good product at a good price.
However, I definitely would not say that ID is the only company that sells quality Bosch EV-14 injectors. There are a few companies that perform similar testing and injector grouping without the marketing and what has now become the household name of Injector Dynamics.
I purchased my EV-14's from Welcome to FuelInjectorConnection.com They have been in business for a few years with over a million injectors in their inventory. Once I spoke with them, it was very apparent that they knew their stuff. Though I researched my required body sizes for my aftermarket rails, they were on point to confirm I was getting the right injectors. They don't advertise or compete with ID. They just seemed to sell a quality product with great customer service. Yes, they were half the price of ID injectors.
When shopping for injectors I tried to steer clear of the vendors that claimed just the same as the above article. I found a good vendor that sold a good product at a good price.
The thread/info is blaming Welcome to FuelInjectorConnection.com from copying/stealing data from ID. With that said, I too have used FIC without any issues.
I guess the question is, how much better/smooth will my engine run if I was to swap to ID injectors?
01-31-13, 06:49 AM
#4
The fact does remain though, it is the same injector. Whether FIC has the right data for it or not, the injector hasn't changed lol. With ID injectors your paying for flow matching and that is it. They don't modify the injector in any way, they just match them.
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01-31-13, 03:45 PM
#6
I see. For some reason I didn't make the connection with the acronyms while reading the article.
If the article is fact, then I can agree that is shady. I am curious of the source of the sender of the plagiarized maps. Possibly one rogue employee or manager.
As far as real world results, I have said it time and time again. If ID would simply display a true difference in their injectors from "the other guys", then the cost would be justified. By simply showing real world results on the dyno, logged smoother responses or tuner testimonies it would be easier to swallow the doubled cost. I dont doubt they're great injectors, as everyone seems to like them and have no issues. But granted, neither have I had issues with the FIC EV-14's.
I will add, when I received my injectors I got no flow data.
If the article is fact, then I can agree that is shady. I am curious of the source of the sender of the plagiarized maps. Possibly one rogue employee or manager.
As far as real world results, I have said it time and time again. If ID would simply display a true difference in their injectors from "the other guys", then the cost would be justified. By simply showing real world results on the dyno, logged smoother responses or tuner testimonies it would be easier to swallow the doubled cost. I dont doubt they're great injectors, as everyone seems to like them and have no issues. But granted, neither have I had issues with the FIC EV-14's.
I will add, when I received my injectors I got no flow data.
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01-31-13, 04:50 PM
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Just wanted to make sure it is clear that this article is referencing Fuel Injector Connection which has no association with Fuel Injector Clinic.
Fuel Injector Clinic does all of their own development and testing in house. We have been around for a long time and take great pride in the quality of our products and our excellent customer service and support.
It is unfortunate that they chose a name so similar to ours and that it wasn't clarified in the article, but now more than ever I want to make sure there isn't any confusion!
If there are any questions let me know...
Fuel Injector Clinic does all of their own development and testing in house. We have been around for a long time and take great pride in the quality of our products and our excellent customer service and support.
It is unfortunate that they chose a name so similar to ours and that it wasn't clarified in the article, but now more than ever I want to make sure there isn't any confusion!
If there are any questions let me know...
01-31-13, 05:52 PM
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Just wanted to make sure it is clear that this article is referencing Fuel Injector Connection which has no association with Fuel Injector Clinic.
Fuel Injector Clinic does all of their own development and testing in house. We have been around for a long time and take great pride in the quality of our products and our excellent customer service and support.
It is unfortunate that they chose a name so similar to ours and that it wasn't clarified in the article, but now more than ever I want to make sure there isn't any confusion!
If there are any questions let me know...
Fuel Injector Clinic does all of their own development and testing in house. We have been around for a long time and take great pride in the quality of our products and our excellent customer service and support.
It is unfortunate that they chose a name so similar to ours and that it wasn't clarified in the article, but now more than ever I want to make sure there isn't any confusion!
If there are any questions let me know...
thewird
01-31-13, 07:46 PM
#11
Fuel Injector Connection has been around longer than ID...
And of course the founder of ID will say his **** is great...cause...well...it's his product and he wants to make money.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When someone can actually prove what is better and what isn't, I'll continue to stay off the bandwagon that is ID.
And of course the founder of ID will say his **** is great...cause...well...it's his product and he wants to make money.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When someone can actually prove what is better and what isn't, I'll continue to stay off the bandwagon that is ID.
01-31-13, 08:57 PM
#12
Fuel Injector Connection has been around longer than ID...
And of course the founder of ID will say his **** is great...cause...well...it's his product and he wants to make money.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When someone can actually prove what is better and what isn't, I'll continue to stay off the bandwagon that is ID.
And of course the founder of ID will say his **** is great...cause...well...it's his product and he wants to make money.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When someone can actually prove what is better and what isn't, I'll continue to stay off the bandwagon that is ID.
02-01-13, 07:03 AM
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I see. For some reason I didn't make the connection with the acronyms while reading the article.
If the article is fact, then I can agree that is shady. I am curious of the source of the sender of the plagiarized maps. Possibly one rogue employee or manager.
As far as real world results, I have said it time and time again. If ID would simply display a true difference in their injectors from "the other guys", then the cost would be justified. By simply showing real world results on the dyno, logged smoother responses or tuner testimonies it would be easier to swallow the doubled cost. I dont doubt they're great injectors, as everyone seems to like them and have no issues. But granted, neither have I had issues with the FIC EV-14's.
I will add, when I received my injectors I got no flow data.
If the article is fact, then I can agree that is shady. I am curious of the source of the sender of the plagiarized maps. Possibly one rogue employee or manager.
As far as real world results, I have said it time and time again. If ID would simply display a true difference in their injectors from "the other guys", then the cost would be justified. By simply showing real world results on the dyno, logged smoother responses or tuner testimonies it would be easier to swallow the doubled cost. I dont doubt they're great injectors, as everyone seems to like them and have no issues. But granted, neither have I had issues with the FIC EV-14's.
I will add, when I received my injectors I got no flow data.
This times a million!
02-01-13, 03:57 PM
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Same thing but they charge double to throw them on a machine. If we used to get away with running low impedence injectors w/ resistors or injector drivers without issues what makes you think a nice, new technology high impedence injector won't work unless its perfectly flow matched lol. Its just a good marketing ploy. I know guys making lots of power using regular EV-14s no problem.
02-01-13, 04:04 PM
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Now the EV-14's are a definite upgrade from the older injectors. I switched from newer Bosch low impedance 850's with an FJO injector driver. Constant low end stumbling and a rich idle.
I personally feel the "upgrade" is in the injector design itself. Much better control and atomization with the new bodied EV-14. There is also no need to manipulate the ECU signal as they are high impedance.
As mentioned, everyone seems really happy with ID injectors, and that is cool.
I personally feel the "upgrade" is in the injector design itself. Much better control and atomization with the new bodied EV-14. There is also no need to manipulate the ECU signal as they are high impedance.
As mentioned, everyone seems really happy with ID injectors, and that is cool.
02-01-13, 08:10 PM
#21
i believe you all are missing the point which is plagiarism.
why would you trust a company that takes someone else's data and claims it to be their own when it is inaccurate?
what if you plug in values expecting them to be accurate and it costs additional in tuning time or an engine as a result(switching injectors and plugging in values, expecting the same result).
well worth those savings.
i'm not on the ID bandwagon either, i have used every injector under the sun and made them work. ID injectors however do work better than many other's claims. not everyone has the money to drop on them, to those who do i have never tried to sway them.
why would you trust a company that takes someone else's data and claims it to be their own when it is inaccurate?
what if you plug in values expecting them to be accurate and it costs additional in tuning time or an engine as a result(switching injectors and plugging in values, expecting the same result).
well worth those savings.
i'm not on the ID bandwagon either, i have used every injector under the sun and made them work. ID injectors however do work better than many other's claims. not everyone has the money to drop on them, to those who do i have never tried to sway them.
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02-01-13, 08:21 PM
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i believe you all are missing the point which is plagiarism.
why would you trust a company that takes someone else's data and claims it to be their own when it is inaccurate?
what if you plug in values expecting them to be accurate and it costs additional in tuning time or an engine as a result?
well worth those savings.
i'm not on the ID bandwagon either, i have used every injector under the sun and made them work. ID injectors however do work better than many other's claims. not everyone has the money to drop on them, to those who do i have never tried to sway them.
why would you trust a company that takes someone else's data and claims it to be their own when it is inaccurate?
what if you plug in values expecting them to be accurate and it costs additional in tuning time or an engine as a result?
well worth those savings.
i'm not on the ID bandwagon either, i have used every injector under the sun and made them work. ID injectors however do work better than many other's claims. not everyone has the money to drop on them, to those who do i have never tried to sway them.
02-03-13, 04:37 PM
#24
hmmm ...well this is what bothers me. If they have to steal data or they can't even provide their own data then it kinda proves they don't have the ability to flow match as accurately as I.D. They've even shown their flow matching/cleaning tool, and it's a cheap machine.. nothing close to what I.D's working with. So if your lying about test data....what else are they...or could they be lying about? Also...Bosch is making a 1300cc Injector solely for I.D... you can't buy it anywhere else. So why not just release the same injector if they're exactly the same?