Killed my R85 need opinions
02-28-08, 03:02 PM
#27
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Just goes to show, you can't take *anything* for granted.
That's the advantage of going with a turbo kit from say, Sean at A-Spec......he stands behind his kits 100%.
That's the advantage of going with a turbo kit from say, Sean at A-Spec......he stands behind his kits 100%.
02-28-08, 03:21 PM
#28
Buyer beware.
If buy brake line from Autozone, install it incorrectly (or don't check for a blockage in it) and rear end someone....................is Autozone on the hook for damages??
I'm not placing blame on either side here to be clear.
This is like the situation of an end user getting a faulty standalone computer, running their car and blowing the engine. Is it the companies fault for having a defective ECU? Or the customers for not verifying everything? FWIW, most standalone MFR's cite this scenario as a product disclaimer.
Just get another line and live and learn. This is one reason I always clear out lines before I install them on the car. Finding a blockage like that on an oil cooler line would save your engine, slapping them on *****-nilly is a no-no. Sure, you wouldn't think there's a problem, but you won't know unless you check.
If buy brake line from Autozone, install it incorrectly (or don't check for a blockage in it) and rear end someone....................is Autozone on the hook for damages??
I'm not placing blame on either side here to be clear.
This is like the situation of an end user getting a faulty standalone computer, running their car and blowing the engine. Is it the companies fault for having a defective ECU? Or the customers for not verifying everything? FWIW, most standalone MFR's cite this scenario as a product disclaimer.
Just get another line and live and learn. This is one reason I always clear out lines before I install them on the car. Finding a blockage like that on an oil cooler line would save your engine, slapping them on *****-nilly is a no-no. Sure, you wouldn't think there's a problem, but you won't know unless you check.
02-28-08, 04:57 PM
#30
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Thread Starter
This problem was caused by a faulty/defective oil line. I am talking to the company who made the line and hopefully somehow get this resolved, I doubt it will be.
02-28-08, 06:29 PM
#32
Buyer beware.
If buy brake line from Autozone, install it incorrectly (or don't check for a blockage in it) and rear end someone....................is Autozone on the hook for damages??
I'm not placing blame on either side here to be clear.
This is like the situation of an end user getting a faulty standalone computer, running their car and blowing the engine. Is it the companies fault for having a defective ECU? Or the customers for not verifying everything? FWIW, most standalone MFR's cite this scenario as a product disclaimer.
Just get another line and live and learn. This is one reason I always clear out lines before I install them on the car. Finding a blockage like that on an oil cooler line would save your engine, slapping them on *****-nilly is a no-no. Sure, you wouldn't think there's a problem, but you won't know unless you check.
If buy brake line from Autozone, install it incorrectly (or don't check for a blockage in it) and rear end someone....................is Autozone on the hook for damages??
I'm not placing blame on either side here to be clear.
This is like the situation of an end user getting a faulty standalone computer, running their car and blowing the engine. Is it the companies fault for having a defective ECU? Or the customers for not verifying everything? FWIW, most standalone MFR's cite this scenario as a product disclaimer.
Just get another line and live and learn. This is one reason I always clear out lines before I install them on the car. Finding a blockage like that on an oil cooler line would save your engine, slapping them on *****-nilly is a no-no. Sure, you wouldn't think there's a problem, but you won't know unless you check.
So if i bought a harness from mazda and install it. drive my car around and because of faulty wiring(maybe some wire is exposed inside the harness that is clearly not visable from the outside) and i burn my car to the ground, its my fault i didnt take the harness apart and check all the wiring?
Look, companies HAVE to be held responsible for qaulity control. That is what makes american and japanese products so much better(and much more expensive) than cheap chinese ****.(sorry, i'm not trying to sound hostile)
i shouldnt have to check and probe hoses i just bought brand new for my car. If i bought it second hand, this is a completely different story. But i prolly will from now on. While i'm at it, should i hook these lines up to an aircompressor and gauge the PSI to make sure there are no leaks also? where do you draw the line? again QC is why we pay extra for these engine(and in this case TURBO) saving parts.
Also, this isnt the case of incorrect installation either. From what Mr. Skir has reported, it is definitely a product failure.
I have an EXCELLENT example for you that hopefully Jimlab will come in and be a part of.
Brian Hinson sells V8 swap parts for the FC and FD's. Until recently he required the stock subframe(on the FD) and would weld new mounts on it. It looked great and people installed it, but people started having welding failures, after been driving these cars on the road. I mean people would take their cars over 150mph!! A couple people noticed this and caused an uproar. i mean the engine is just sitting in there and if it were to fall or come loose while doing 140mph in your FD, death is certainly viable.
Under your logic, people should of strength tested the seems to make sure they wouldnt break under a certain minimum load.
I'm not trying to start a fight here, so dont think that. i'm just saying, i think the manfg. screwed up, and when you screw up, you got to pay a price. in this case, a turbo rebuild.
Hinson BS: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...t=hinson+welds
I'm 100% placing blame on the Manfg. side of this.
~Steve
Last edited by Brismo7; 02-28-08 at 06:34 PM.
02-28-08, 08:08 PM
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I hope you do get it taken care of. but let's be realistic. is it worth your time to take them to small claims court over it? probably not. this is a shitty situation for him, but in order to file a claim in small claims court you have to travel to the state in order to do so. that plus an legal representation should you choose to have any is going to make your costs of going after them more then the cost of your turbo rebuild, and line. it's just the facts.
good luck man. I hope they stand behind their product, and yo see something from it all.
good luck man. I hope they stand behind their product, and yo see something from it all.
02-28-08, 08:31 PM
#34
how much does the turbo cost to rebuild?
small claims court, you dont need legal representation. you are your own rep.
And i dont know in which state you'd have to file, but since the parts in question that need replaced broke in NJ, i'm sure he could file in NJ. and if the company is in CA or where ever and they dont show up, you automatically win. So threatening them with small claims might actually do the trick. and they may settle out of court with you.
I'd say ask them to either replace the turbo, or pay to have it rebuilt by a professional shop. and if they didnt, i would simply state that you have no choice but to take them to small claims.
Fly me out there, and i will represent you.
small claims court, you dont need legal representation. you are your own rep.
And i dont know in which state you'd have to file, but since the parts in question that need replaced broke in NJ, i'm sure he could file in NJ. and if the company is in CA or where ever and they dont show up, you automatically win. So threatening them with small claims might actually do the trick. and they may settle out of court with you.
I'd say ask them to either replace the turbo, or pay to have it rebuilt by a professional shop. and if they didnt, i would simply state that you have no choice but to take them to small claims.
Fly me out there, and i will represent you.
02-28-08, 09:25 PM
#36
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Thread Starter
Thank you Rich, yea he called me about it today. So I had him check out the post just so he knows that I in no way involved him in this. He's a great guy, he's helped me out a lot. I can't thank him enough for everything he has done for me!
02-28-08, 09:30 PM
#37
I win
Thread Starter
Absolutely autozone is in the red! And if not them, the people who supply the brake line to autozone(whom which autozone will go after for compensation[sorry if this isnt proper english].).
So if i bought a harness from mazda and install it. drive my car around and because of faulty wiring(maybe some wire is exposed inside the harness that is clearly not visable from the outside) and i burn my car to the ground, its my fault i didnt take the harness apart and check all the wiring?
Look, companies HAVE to be held responsible for qaulity control. That is what makes american and japanese products so much better(and much more expensive) than cheap chinese ****.(sorry, i'm not trying to sound hostile)
i shouldnt have to check and probe hoses i just bought brand new for my car. If i bought it second hand, this is a completely different story. But i prolly will from now on. While i'm at it, should i hook these lines up to an aircompressor and gauge the PSI to make sure there are no leaks also? where do you draw the line? again QC is why we pay extra for these engine(and in this case TURBO) saving parts.
Also, this isnt the case of incorrect installation either. From what Mr. Skir has reported, it is definitely a product failure.
I have an EXCELLENT example for you that hopefully Jimlab will come in and be a part of.
Brian Hinson sells V8 swap parts for the FC and FD's. Until recently he required the stock subframe(on the FD) and would weld new mounts on it. It looked great and people installed it, but people started having welding failures, after been driving these cars on the road. I mean people would take their cars over 150mph!! A couple people noticed this and caused an uproar. i mean the engine is just sitting in there and if it were to fall or come loose while doing 140mph in your FD, death is certainly viable.
Under your logic, people should of strength tested the seems to make sure they wouldnt break under a certain minimum load.
I'm not trying to start a fight here, so dont think that. i'm just saying, i think the manfg. screwed up, and when you screw up, you got to pay a price. in this case, a turbo rebuild.
Hinson BS: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...t=hinson+welds
Link them to this thread.
I'm 100% placing blame on the Manfg. side of this.
~Steve
So if i bought a harness from mazda and install it. drive my car around and because of faulty wiring(maybe some wire is exposed inside the harness that is clearly not visable from the outside) and i burn my car to the ground, its my fault i didnt take the harness apart and check all the wiring?
Look, companies HAVE to be held responsible for qaulity control. That is what makes american and japanese products so much better(and much more expensive) than cheap chinese ****.(sorry, i'm not trying to sound hostile)
i shouldnt have to check and probe hoses i just bought brand new for my car. If i bought it second hand, this is a completely different story. But i prolly will from now on. While i'm at it, should i hook these lines up to an aircompressor and gauge the PSI to make sure there are no leaks also? where do you draw the line? again QC is why we pay extra for these engine(and in this case TURBO) saving parts.
Also, this isnt the case of incorrect installation either. From what Mr. Skir has reported, it is definitely a product failure.
I have an EXCELLENT example for you that hopefully Jimlab will come in and be a part of.
Brian Hinson sells V8 swap parts for the FC and FD's. Until recently he required the stock subframe(on the FD) and would weld new mounts on it. It looked great and people installed it, but people started having welding failures, after been driving these cars on the road. I mean people would take their cars over 150mph!! A couple people noticed this and caused an uproar. i mean the engine is just sitting in there and if it were to fall or come loose while doing 140mph in your FD, death is certainly viable.
Under your logic, people should of strength tested the seems to make sure they wouldnt break under a certain minimum load.
I'm not trying to start a fight here, so dont think that. i'm just saying, i think the manfg. screwed up, and when you screw up, you got to pay a price. in this case, a turbo rebuild.
Hinson BS: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...t=hinson+welds
Link them to this thread.
I'm 100% placing blame on the Manfg. side of this.
~Steve
I will link the company to this thread like you say to do I believe it will help them give insight on whats happened/going on.
02-28-08, 09:34 PM
#38
I win
Thread Starter
I hope you do get it taken care of. but let's be realistic. is it worth your time to take them to small claims court over it? probably not. this is a shitty situation for him, but in order to file a claim in small claims court you have to travel to the state in order to do so. that plus an legal representation should you choose to have any is going to make your costs of going after them more then the cost of your turbo rebuild, and line. it's just the facts.
good luck man. I hope they stand behind their product, and yo see something from it all.
good luck man. I hope they stand behind their product, and yo see something from it all.
02-28-08, 09:38 PM
#39
I win
Thread Starter
how much does the turbo cost to rebuild?
small claims court, you dont need legal representation. you are your own rep.
And i dont know in which state you'd have to file, but since the parts in question that need replaced broke in NJ, i'm sure he could file in NJ. and if the company is in CA or where ever and they dont show up, you automatically win. So threatening them with small claims might actually do the trick. and they may settle out of court with you.
I'd say ask them to either replace the turbo, or pay to have it rebuilt by a professional shop. and if they didnt, i would simply state that you have no choice but to take them to small claims.
Fly me out there, and i will represent you.
small claims court, you dont need legal representation. you are your own rep.
And i dont know in which state you'd have to file, but since the parts in question that need replaced broke in NJ, i'm sure he could file in NJ. and if the company is in CA or where ever and they dont show up, you automatically win. So threatening them with small claims might actually do the trick. and they may settle out of court with you.
I'd say ask them to either replace the turbo, or pay to have it rebuilt by a professional shop. and if they didnt, i would simply state that you have no choice but to take them to small claims.
Fly me out there, and i will represent you.
I believe I can file in NJ that is what I am told, would love to settle this out of court. I would just like this to be resolved...
Yea flying you out here would be pretty cool, would be nice to chat with a fellow rotor head!
02-29-08, 10:54 AM
#41
Absolutely autozone is in the red! And if not them, the people who supply the brake line to autozone(whom which autozone will go after for compensation[sorry if this isnt proper english].).
So if i bought a harness from mazda and install it. drive my car around and because of faulty wiring(maybe some wire is exposed inside the harness that is clearly not visable from the outside) and i burn my car to the ground, its my fault i didnt take the harness apart and check all the wiring?
Look, companies HAVE to be held responsible for qaulity control. That is what makes american and japanese products so much better(and much more expensive) than cheap chinese ****.(sorry, i'm not trying to sound hostile)
i shouldnt have to check and probe hoses i just bought brand new for my car. If i bought it second hand, this is a completely different story. But i prolly will from now on. While i'm at it, should i hook these lines up to an aircompressor and gauge the PSI to make sure there are no leaks also? where do you draw the line? again QC is why we pay extra for these engine(and in this case TURBO) saving parts.
Also, this isnt the case of incorrect installation either. From what Mr. Skir has reported, it is definitely a product failure.
I have an EXCELLENT example for you that hopefully Jimlab will come in and be a part of.
Brian Hinson sells V8 swap parts for the FC and FD's. Until recently he required the stock subframe(on the FD) and would weld new mounts on it. It looked great and people installed it, but people started having welding failures, after been driving these cars on the road. I mean people would take their cars over 150mph!! A couple people noticed this and caused an uproar. i mean the engine is just sitting in there and if it were to fall or come loose while doing 140mph in your FD, death is certainly viable.
Under your logic, people should of strength tested the seems to make sure they wouldnt break under a certain minimum load.
I'm not trying to start a fight here, so dont think that. i'm just saying, i think the manfg. screwed up, and when you screw up, you got to pay a price. in this case, a turbo rebuild.
Hinson BS: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...t=hinson+welds
Link them to this thread.
I'm 100% placing blame on the Manfg. side of this.
~Steve
So if i bought a harness from mazda and install it. drive my car around and because of faulty wiring(maybe some wire is exposed inside the harness that is clearly not visable from the outside) and i burn my car to the ground, its my fault i didnt take the harness apart and check all the wiring?
Look, companies HAVE to be held responsible for qaulity control. That is what makes american and japanese products so much better(and much more expensive) than cheap chinese ****.(sorry, i'm not trying to sound hostile)
i shouldnt have to check and probe hoses i just bought brand new for my car. If i bought it second hand, this is a completely different story. But i prolly will from now on. While i'm at it, should i hook these lines up to an aircompressor and gauge the PSI to make sure there are no leaks also? where do you draw the line? again QC is why we pay extra for these engine(and in this case TURBO) saving parts.
Also, this isnt the case of incorrect installation either. From what Mr. Skir has reported, it is definitely a product failure.
I have an EXCELLENT example for you that hopefully Jimlab will come in and be a part of.
Brian Hinson sells V8 swap parts for the FC and FD's. Until recently he required the stock subframe(on the FD) and would weld new mounts on it. It looked great and people installed it, but people started having welding failures, after been driving these cars on the road. I mean people would take their cars over 150mph!! A couple people noticed this and caused an uproar. i mean the engine is just sitting in there and if it were to fall or come loose while doing 140mph in your FD, death is certainly viable.
Under your logic, people should of strength tested the seems to make sure they wouldnt break under a certain minimum load.
I'm not trying to start a fight here, so dont think that. i'm just saying, i think the manfg. screwed up, and when you screw up, you got to pay a price. in this case, a turbo rebuild.
Hinson BS: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...t=hinson+welds
Link them to this thread.
I'm 100% placing blame on the Manfg. side of this.
~Steve
If I produce an oil line, and my production is faulty, I am liable to replace to part i produced and not any part that may have been damaged as a result. Personal injury such as a case where a subframe falls out of your car would be a different story, but I wasn't getting at that with my example.
Nearly every single aftermarket part I've bought (and read the disclaimer for) will have a statement of limited liabilty with it. As in, my boost controller states mis-use of the product or product damage resulting in engine damage will not be covered by the product's warranty. Only the defective product will be covered by the manufactuer.
Its entirely understandable IMO. Would I stick steadfast to that rule in my personal business? No, but I can see how it has its place.
Also, you mention the quality control aspect and how we pay higher prices for quality parts........................you realize the OP bought the part in question off eBizzle right?
02-29-08, 10:55 AM
#42
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