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Old 03-09-11 | 06:56 PM
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GTX 4202/Semi PPort/ E98 project done...

Hey guys. Got my new setup all finished. Ray (PFSupercars) will dyno tune this weekend. Im very pleased with the finished project. To compensate for the E98 fuel, I upgraded the fuel system to two -8 feeds. Im anxious to see what the GTX does with this fuel and Semi PPort. Big thx to Ray Wilson for getting her buttoned up. I'll post dyno #'s when we're done.

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Old 03-09-11 | 07:14 PM
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Looks Good Man!! So are you still going to use this beast on the street...with ear plugs :-)

Keeps us posted on the dyno numbers, I would like to upgrade to the gtx down the road so Im looking forward to your results!
Old 03-09-11 | 07:20 PM
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Thx.
Couple details of the build.
RXParts Apex seals, RXParts 2 Piece Eshaft, RXParts Upper/Lower intake manifold, GTX 71mm Billet Turbo, AEM Ecu, AEM water inj, Dual Bosch 044 fuel pumps, M&W Pro drag ignition, PFSupercars Built, Clearanced, and Balanced Semi PPort 13B.
Old 03-09-11 | 07:23 PM
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Is it still bridged as well as pported? sounds sick
Old 03-09-11 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ErnieT
Thx.
Couple details of the build.
RXParts Apex seals, RXParts 2 Piece Eshaft, RXParts Upper/Lower intake manifold, GTX 71mm Billet Turbo, AEM Ecu, AEM water inj, Dual Bosch 044 fuel pumps, M&W Pro drag ignition, PFSupercars Built, Clearanced, and Balanced Semi PPort 13B.
Oh man... Top notch. Ernie what size and how many injectors are you using. Is there a big power gain from e85 to e98?
Old 03-09-11 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JWteknix
Is it still bridged as well as pported? sounds sick
Its street ported. Thx

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Oh man... Top notch. Ernie what size and how many injectors are you using. Is there a big power gain from e85 to e98?
6 injectors total
2 1000cc primaries
4 1680 secondaries
The E98 is better suited for higher boost levels.
Old 03-09-11 | 07:48 PM
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Wow Ernie, looks like you may hit low 9's or High 8's with that set up, good luck...

Can't wait to see how she does..
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And I didn't pick the music so don't give me hell! lol..
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cutting edge stuff w that turbo. congrats and good luck.

i couldn't help messing w the numbers so here's what i see as to max hp.

BTUs

ethanol 84530 per gallon

gasoline 124,340 per gallon

E85 90,501 per gallon


BTUs to make 600 rw rotary SAE hp...

80 pounds per minute of air
7.44 pounds per minute of gasoline at 10.75 AFR (rich but hey we are at 600 hp)

7.44 pounds/ 6.35 (weight of one gallon gas) = 1.172 gallons

1.172 gallons X 124,340 (BTUs per gallon) = 145,683 BTUs to make 600 rotary rw SAE hp

you run:

2 1000 CC/Min primaries
4 1680 secondaries

8720 total deliverability at 100% duty cycle. let's assume you run at 90%.

8720 X .9 = 7848 CC/Min net of duty cycle

7848 = 124 gallons per hour or 2.07 gallons per minute

2.07 X 90,501 = 187,337 BTUs

187,337/ 145,683 (BTUs to make 600) = 1.286

1.286 X 600 = 772 rw rotary SAE hp.

787 standard correction

the above assumes no peripheral intake ports
assumes 10.75 AFR
assumes you don't crank up the rail pressure to get more fuel.

it will be interesting to see where it shakes out

good luck,

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Howard, your way beyond my brain waves, lmao...Good stuff budd
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i want to see a 160+mph trap speed that way i can go show off on the ls1 forums what 80 cubes can do. they already dont fancy me too much because i beat up on there 403's and 383's.
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For me to hit 160mph, at 2880lbs, Id have to make more than 850whp. Thats not happening lol..not on this turbo anyhow. Maybe the 80mm.
Old 03-09-11 | 09:44 PM
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2x1000cc + 4x1600cc is nowhere near enough.

E98 max power rich will be close enough to 6.4:1 air fuel(mass for mass). 100lb/min air will need approx 11000cc/min fuel flow to correctly combine and operate around peak of 87% duty cycle.

100lb/min air divided by 6.4 AF = 15.625 lb / min fuel flow.

Indy whites are 152lb/hour aka 2.5lb/min
ID2000 around 190lb/hour or 3.16lb/min.

You would be looking at 6x ID2000's as a starting point for maxing a 100lb/min turbo using that fuel type. Because alcohol fuels make awesome power rich you are basically working off the research octane rating, so power will come really easy.

E98 research octane rating is close enough to E100s 123 points.
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on that billet wheel i think you will be close to 850whp as long as the boost is up high enough. whats the turbine t6?
Old 03-09-11 | 09:48 PM
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on that billet wheel i think you will be close to 850whp as long as the boost is up high enough. whats the turbine t6?
I'll run out of turbo. Its only a 71mm compressor. Tial 1.01 a/r
Im not gonna push it beyond 30psi at first.
Old 03-09-11 | 10:26 PM
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Ernie, awesome setup as usual.

Would love to know where you're sourcing E98 from. Are you getting it from the ethanol refinery that just opened up in the Richmond area? I really need to locate E98 to "roll my own" E85 all year long and account for season "E85" changes percentages.
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How come no NRS seals
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^ Because he doesn't want to potentially lose his expensive turbo if the **** hits the fan. A perfect tune can't compensate for all the other factors that can lead to detonation.
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What he said.
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Killer build!

PM me if you find you need more injector...

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Originally Posted by smg944
i want to see a 160+mph trap speed that way i can go show off on the ls1 forums what 80 cubes can do. they already dont fancy me too much because i beat up on there 403's and 383's.
Oh man...

good way to get people on internet car forums mad is to tell them about this guy you read about on a different car forum who has a faster car
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Oh man...

good way to get people on internet car forums mad is to tell them about this guy you read about on a different car forum who has a faster car
Also, don't go with the ID's if you have any intentions of going with Q16 or VP Import in the future... Other than that they're great!
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Also, don't go with the ID's if you have any intentions of going with Q16 or VP Import in the future... Other than that they're great!

Go on....
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ID2000's and ID1600's have a seat that swells in contact with MTBE, an additive in VP import and Q16, which will reduce flow ~40%. They will stay consistent at that flow rate but will return to full flow once allowed to air out for a couple days.
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I have two close friends with the same exact injector setup using the same fuel and have more then enough injector. I appreciate the concern, but Im in good hands.



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