They sent me crimps instead of pigtails. Any advantage one way or another? Looks like I'm going to have to purchase a Weather Pack crimper. Which gauge wiring should I use? 18 or 16?

 

I believe like prew mentioned, that must have been an isolated incident with T1. We are an ID vendor and have a lot of experience fitting them in rx7's, not to mention can get pretty competitive prices if you want the best in performance fuel injectors...

 

Did you order pigtails? Crimp on connectors are supplied standard unless you want plug-and-play or pigtails, both of which are a little extra. No real advantage, just whatever the consumer wants. In your case, since you don't have double-barrel crimpers (I personally think any gear-head should have a set), the pigtails may have been easier. 18 ga wire should be good.

 

i've already received them and i don't think there is anyway you can match the price they gave me. I got 2x725 2x2000 for less than 2x ID 2000....

 

If anyone needs ID injectors I have the 1000 and 2000's in stock.

 

I am moving up from 1600's to 2000's 2nds in this upcoming build. 550's and 2000's. Going to keep the 550's up front for drivability purpose. The extra in the back should safely give me 450-475 rwhp capability if my calcs. are right.

 

bosch ev14 725s ( or id725s) have even better than oem 550 driveability...... i really wanted to get rid of the entire stock fuel system under the uim too

 

For sure, dont decide against 725 primaries for drivability reasons. You can lean idle out as far as your engine likes without any negative lag, and I found it easy to tune low speed stuff super smooth.

 

The 725's work perfectly without issues. Only the 1000's require a little bit of negative lag depending on your fuel pressure.

thewird

 

Yea, there's a reason! Better stuff costs more. Plain and simple. Other injector vendors have been riding ID's nuts and spreading rumors that their products are "just as good, just cost less". This is 100% false, plain and simple. If you don't want the best and want to save money, by all means go buy the other injectors.

 

Keep drinking the kool-aid without providing any facts to back up your claim. Please explain your experience with the ID branded injectors VS the same Bosch injector sold by other vendors.

 

no need for negative lag, ease of install, no need for resistors or an injector driver, there's tons of info out there, you don't need testimony from us guys using them to see how good they can be.

 

Prew. The only kool-aid drinker here is you. Please refer to post #61 on the previous page for the data to back up what I said. Why should I even bother explaining this again since all you seem to care about is saving money? Here is the same thing i said before just dumbed down a bit: Injector dynamics matches them closer than the other vendors. This is a FACT. Since the data has already been provided for the ID injectors, why don't YOU post some data which proves the "BRAND-X" injectors are just as good?

 

I don't think you need any of that with the regular ev14's either do you? My understanding was that ID's are just ev14's with some extra testing and a flow chart.

 

Thanks for dumbing it down for me, I don't have a chart because I am not an injector vendor. It might seem like all I care about is money because it is the only issue at hand here. The injectors both companies sell are the same BOSCH part number 028015882, just a different price.

It was said before that BOSCH flow matches the injectors from the factory and that is enough for me. If you are happy you paid the extra $150 for ID to match the injectors based on flow and dead timing than more power to you.

 

Ugh this is painful. I don't know how many times this has been stated. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. Brand X wants you to believe they are the same for less money, because if people knew the truth, they'd never buy from them. This statement you made PROVES you nothing about injectors, matching, or dynamic vs static testing.

This statement again proves that you have no idea what you're talking about. All you see is: less money for one than the other. I'm happpy I paid an extra $150 for a superior product. If you are satisfied with Bosch's injector flow matching, then that again proves you have no clue about any of this and this entire argument is based on "this one costs less and looks the same therefore it's better". Just admit that you don't understand any of this and you make all of your buying decisions based on price and conjecture.

 

If you didn't get a chart or data, how do you know what to enter into your ECU?

 

I never claimed to know anything about the matching process, nor did I say that that they were the same between the two. ALL I have been arguing this entire time has been that the hardware is the same from Bosch between the two. Why don't you take a minute, relax and explain to me how they are different OTHER than the matching. I am not saying you are wrong, I am not saying you know nothing about the subject, I am here to learn and share information like everyone else.

Also if you want, please explain why you think the IDs are superior and how an rx-7 owner would benefit other than knowing they are IDs vs brand-x as you'd say. Better driveability, more power, easier to tune, etc?

 

I think he's asking some good questions.

1. What does the extra money the ID injectors costs give me (testing, modification)?

2. How much variance from the factory do you find coming from Bosch (flow rating, lag times)?

3. How is ID's equipment calibrated to ensure all the outputs they obtain from their tests are accurate? My assumption is that if you want an injector tested by someone that the manufacturer would be the best place for that to be done ie Bosch.

Answer those questions and then someone can decide whether the service that ID is providing is worth the extra money that the injectors cost.

Obviously, there is still some matching that can be done as that's what ID is providing.
Why does Bosch not match to a lower level? Since not is it really necessary.

The data that's provided on the injectors can it be accurately used by the ecu's that are available?

 

my injectors came flow tested and matched

 

Here's the reasons why ID injectors are worth the money:

Vosko, they are matched statically correct? First difference, ID does dynamic matching. Once again, see post 61 for more details. It seems like everybody has skipped it.

What deadtime values did you get to enter into your ECU? ID provides more data than any other injector supplier, including complex OEM tables for Ford, GM, Chrysler ECU's. So you can drop any ID injector into a stock vehicle, turn the key, and start and drive like stock. Even FIC decided to send people to the ID website to get data for the injectors they were selling. Guessing ID wasn't too happy about that tho! LOL

ID uses more sophisticated test equipment than any other injector supplier. The type of equipment you would see at an OEM fuel lab, not just an injector timed spraying into a graduated cylinder.

As for those arguing that bosch already tests them, so there is no need to match. Bosch doesn't test individual injectors. They have quality control to check their manufacturing tolerances so that their products fit within the window of error they are designed for. For the 2000's, they are a compressed gas injector. They are not designed to run at low duty cycles, and will be at much higher duty cycles and well within their linear operating range on the vehicles they were originally intended. On gas, we need to run them much lower, where dynamic matching really makes a difference. Once again, see the chart on post 61 to see what random Bosch injectors look like compared to dynamically matched. A static flow test match will not help while running at 40% duty cycle..

In the end, as consumers, we can make the choice on what's best for us, but I want to just educate people to realize there is a difference, and it is NOT just price..

 

Exactly. What kills me is that these unscrupulous vendors try to pass their products off as the same as Injector Dynamics. Why should they have to lie about their products? Why aren't they honest and up front? FIC even sent their customers to the Injector Dynamics website for data on the injectors that THEY sold which are "the same except cheaper" than the ID ones!! It's pretty blatant that they do NOt know what they're doing either. It really says a lot about both the character of the owner and the reputation of the business overall. I'd at least respect FIC if they came out and said, "our product is not as good as ID, nor is it as in depth, but we are a lower cost alternative for those who are on a budget." But they couldn't even do that. FIC chose the route of stealing Injector Dynamics' data and then attempting to pass off their injectors as the "same". Simply outrageous. This just goes to show you what kinds of people are out there.

 

Yeah post 61 was mainly what I was looking for. Looks like good stuff.

 

I've been driving around with ID1000's installed for a couple of years now. IMHO, the idle and low RPM throttle response is nearly as good as it was with stock 550cc/min primary injectors even after moving the primaries a few inches further from the intake ports (Xcessive LIM).

Although I suspect other injectors may be capable of similar results, I would rather support Paul Yaw and Tony Palo before buying from an injector distributor with less experience racing and tuning ECU's. The amount of tech info on the injectordynamics.com website is pretty nice, too.

 

Quick question i have a set of 1000s and 2000s i am going to install in a cj fuel system on my FD. Are most of you guys using the spacer inserts that go into the manifold or the denso seal? I already have the aluminum inserts in my lim so kinda wondering for best sealing purposes and fitment