is anyones R85 kit up and running yet?
02-16-05 | 09:15 AM
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If I was a cartoon character I would like to be mighty mouse. He is my favorite!!
Tracy I provided a dyno chart for both high and low boost. I provided a video of my car using this turbo running 9's over 140mph but unfortunately I am the guy who designed the kit so it has been questioned many times.
There has not been that many kits sold maybe 15, 8 of wich do not even belong to the list 3 or 4 may belong but don't post. The couple that have posted that are pleased with the performance are questioned as welll, one of wich did go to the track and post a respectable number. I can tell you none of the local guys have been to the dyno because they are fortunate enough to have me present to tune ther vehicles on the street and they can go to the track and they are pleased with this process.
I am not a big fan of dyno's it has been at least 2 years since I have taken my race car to the dyno as the data aquisition that is on my vehicle far supasses 99.9 percent of any dyno I have ever visted. It includes 2 charge air temp sensors two manifold pressure sensors 3 egt's exhaust back pressure engine rpm drive shaft speed wheel speed clutch speed brake pressure fuel pressure oil temp oil pressure etc etc. This has allowed me to capture tons of data over the years and this could be why many of the local guys have not bothered to dyno as they have trust in myself and have been pleased with there track performance.
I believe myself and KGparts have more then forfilled our obligations as manufactures/retailers of this product by providing a dyno sheet of my car wich was the test car, colectted thousands of hours of data at the track and dyno tuned a customer car that was a test vehicle wich posted a respectable number at the track, I feel now the consumer has all the data they need to make a decision. If that decision is to purchase the kit that is great I am sure they will be pleased if it is not to purchase the kit that is fine too many of my peers have also made kits that a great as well.
Many of the projects I have been involved in have been questioned ErnieT's stock reman that ran 10.7 with the sr kit at 22psi and lived for ever until it was sold, turbo tommy's r85 car, rfreeman27 big twin car my race car wich ran a 9's as a street car low nines as a unibody car in the quick class now low eights within 4 full passes off the trailer as a outlaw car with a automatic tranny. I have grown a custom to the doubts and criticism with the projects I have been involved in because that's the way the community seems to be but please please do not call me a cartoon character as I am for real
Demetrios Karagiannis
AKA Mighty Mouse
http://www.reactiveracing.com
Tracy I provided a dyno chart for both high and low boost. I provided a video of my car using this turbo running 9's over 140mph but unfortunately I am the guy who designed the kit so it has been questioned many times.
There has not been that many kits sold maybe 15, 8 of wich do not even belong to the list 3 or 4 may belong but don't post. The couple that have posted that are pleased with the performance are questioned as welll, one of wich did go to the track and post a respectable number. I can tell you none of the local guys have been to the dyno because they are fortunate enough to have me present to tune ther vehicles on the street and they can go to the track and they are pleased with this process.
I am not a big fan of dyno's it has been at least 2 years since I have taken my race car to the dyno as the data aquisition that is on my vehicle far supasses 99.9 percent of any dyno I have ever visted. It includes 2 charge air temp sensors two manifold pressure sensors 3 egt's exhaust back pressure engine rpm drive shaft speed wheel speed clutch speed brake pressure fuel pressure oil temp oil pressure etc etc. This has allowed me to capture tons of data over the years and this could be why many of the local guys have not bothered to dyno as they have trust in myself and have been pleased with there track performance.
I believe myself and KGparts have more then forfilled our obligations as manufactures/retailers of this product by providing a dyno sheet of my car wich was the test car, colectted thousands of hours of data at the track and dyno tuned a customer car that was a test vehicle wich posted a respectable number at the track, I feel now the consumer has all the data they need to make a decision. If that decision is to purchase the kit that is great I am sure they will be pleased if it is not to purchase the kit that is fine too many of my peers have also made kits that a great as well.
Many of the projects I have been involved in have been questioned ErnieT's stock reman that ran 10.7 with the sr kit at 22psi and lived for ever until it was sold, turbo tommy's r85 car, rfreeman27 big twin car my race car wich ran a 9's as a street car low nines as a unibody car in the quick class now low eights within 4 full passes off the trailer as a outlaw car with a automatic tranny. I have grown a custom to the doubts and criticism with the projects I have been involved in because that's the way the community seems to be but please please do not call me a cartoon character as I am for real
Demetrios Karagiannis
AKA Mighty Mouse
http://www.reactiveracing.com
02-16-05 | 10:01 AM
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Dee,
I guess the difference is your peers are willing to tell their customers the A/R, the trim, to explain to their customers why the split is X at Y RPM, why the timing is Z at Y RPM, etc...and you choose to hide it behind a curtain. Maybe if I brought my car into your shop it may be different but what you portray here isn't a persona I would drop $5k on to have a new turbo put in the car and get it tuned.
I have absolutely no doubt you've built a great race car and due to the fact you are competitively racing you may not want to give the specs to your competitors. That is something you'll have to decide from a business perspective: Am I racing to enhance the profitability of my consumer shop? Or, am I running a consumer shop to support my racing until it is completely supported by sponsorships? If it is the former rather than the latter then you're probably better off disclosing some of your findings and building a highly respected "oracle" type trusted persona within the community of your potential customers.
Bret
I guess the difference is your peers are willing to tell their customers the A/R, the trim, to explain to their customers why the split is X at Y RPM, why the timing is Z at Y RPM, etc...and you choose to hide it behind a curtain. Maybe if I brought my car into your shop it may be different but what you portray here isn't a persona I would drop $5k on to have a new turbo put in the car and get it tuned.
I have absolutely no doubt you've built a great race car and due to the fact you are competitively racing you may not want to give the specs to your competitors. That is something you'll have to decide from a business perspective: Am I racing to enhance the profitability of my consumer shop? Or, am I running a consumer shop to support my racing until it is completely supported by sponsorships? If it is the former rather than the latter then you're probably better off disclosing some of your findings and building a highly respected "oracle" type trusted persona within the community of your potential customers.
Bret
02-16-05 | 10:26 AM
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What are you talking about a link was provided as soon as the kit was released with the manufacturer and vendor with every dimension you could think of. It was only not released during testing just incase we mande changes. Did you read this whole post cause I posted it again. What else are you refering to as for being the oracle thanks for the compliment I thought mighty mouse was my new nick name but I like oracle much better.
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02-16-05 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TracyRX7
Dee,
I guess the difference is your peers are willing to tell their customers the A/R, the trim, to explain to their customers why the split is X at Y RPM, why the timing is Z at Y RPM, etc...and you choose to hide it behind a curtain. Maybe if I brought my car into your shop it may be different but what you portray here isn't a persona I would drop $5k on to have a new turbo put in the car and get it tuned.
Bret
I guess the difference is your peers are willing to tell their customers the A/R, the trim, to explain to their customers why the split is X at Y RPM, why the timing is Z at Y RPM, etc...and you choose to hide it behind a curtain. Maybe if I brought my car into your shop it may be different but what you portray here isn't a persona I would drop $5k on to have a new turbo put in the car and get it tuned.
Bret
02-16-05 | 02:34 PM
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02-16-05 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rotor_dee
If I was a cartoon character I would like to be mighty mouse. He is my favorite!!
Tracy I provided a dyno chart for both high and low boost. I provided a video of my car using this turbo running 9's over 140mph but unfortunately I am the guy who designed the kit so it has been questioned many times.
There has not been that many kits sold maybe 15, 8 of wich do not even belong to the list 3 or 4 may belong but don't post. The couple that have posted that are pleased with the performance are questioned as welll, one of wich did go to the track and post a respectable number. I can tell you none of the local guys have been to the dyno because they are fortunate enough to have me present to tune ther vehicles on the street and they can go to the track and they are pleased with this process.
I am not a big fan of dyno's it has been at least 2 years since I have taken my race car to the dyno as the data aquisition that is on my vehicle far supasses 99.9 percent of any dyno I have ever visted. It includes 2 charge air temp sensors two manifold pressure sensors 3 egt's exhaust back pressure engine rpm drive shaft speed wheel speed clutch speed brake pressure fuel pressure oil temp oil pressure etc etc. This has allowed me to capture tons of data over the years and this could be why many of the local guys have not bothered to dyno as they have trust in myself and have been pleased with there track performance.
I believe myself and KGparts have more then forfilled our obligations as manufactures/retailers of this product by providing a dyno sheet of my car wich was the test car, colectted thousands of hours of data at the track and dyno tuned a customer car that was a test vehicle wich posted a respectable number at the track, I feel now the consumer has all the data they need to make a decision. If that decision is to purchase the kit that is great I am sure they will be pleased if it is not to purchase the kit that is fine too many of my peers have also made kits that a great as well.
Many of the projects I have been involved in have been questioned ErnieT's stock reman that ran 10.7 with the sr kit at 22psi and lived for ever until it was sold, turbo tommy's r85 car, rfreeman27 big twin car my race car wich ran a 9's as a street car low nines as a unibody car in the quick class now low eights within 4 full passes off the trailer as a outlaw car with a automatic tranny. I have grown a custom to the doubts and criticism with the projects I have been involved in because that's the way the community seems to be but please please do not call me a cartoon character as I am for real
Demetrios Karagiannis
AKA Mighty Mouse
http://www.reactiveracing.com
Tracy I provided a dyno chart for both high and low boost. I provided a video of my car using this turbo running 9's over 140mph but unfortunately I am the guy who designed the kit so it has been questioned many times.
There has not been that many kits sold maybe 15, 8 of wich do not even belong to the list 3 or 4 may belong but don't post. The couple that have posted that are pleased with the performance are questioned as welll, one of wich did go to the track and post a respectable number. I can tell you none of the local guys have been to the dyno because they are fortunate enough to have me present to tune ther vehicles on the street and they can go to the track and they are pleased with this process.
I am not a big fan of dyno's it has been at least 2 years since I have taken my race car to the dyno as the data aquisition that is on my vehicle far supasses 99.9 percent of any dyno I have ever visted. It includes 2 charge air temp sensors two manifold pressure sensors 3 egt's exhaust back pressure engine rpm drive shaft speed wheel speed clutch speed brake pressure fuel pressure oil temp oil pressure etc etc. This has allowed me to capture tons of data over the years and this could be why many of the local guys have not bothered to dyno as they have trust in myself and have been pleased with there track performance.
I believe myself and KGparts have more then forfilled our obligations as manufactures/retailers of this product by providing a dyno sheet of my car wich was the test car, colectted thousands of hours of data at the track and dyno tuned a customer car that was a test vehicle wich posted a respectable number at the track, I feel now the consumer has all the data they need to make a decision. If that decision is to purchase the kit that is great I am sure they will be pleased if it is not to purchase the kit that is fine too many of my peers have also made kits that a great as well.
Many of the projects I have been involved in have been questioned ErnieT's stock reman that ran 10.7 with the sr kit at 22psi and lived for ever until it was sold, turbo tommy's r85 car, rfreeman27 big twin car my race car wich ran a 9's as a street car low nines as a unibody car in the quick class now low eights within 4 full passes off the trailer as a outlaw car with a automatic tranny. I have grown a custom to the doubts and criticism with the projects I have been involved in because that's the way the community seems to be but please please do not call me a cartoon character as I am for real
Demetrios Karagiannis
AKA Mighty Mouse
http://www.reactiveracing.com
02-16-05 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rotor_dee
and dyno tuned a customer car that was a test vehicle wich posted a respectable number at the track, .
Demetrios Karagiannis
AKA Mighty Mouse
http://www.reactiveracing.com
Where is this info???? Dyno numbers and track times?
Last edited by djseven; 02-16-05 at 06:53 PM.
02-16-05 | 07:10 PM
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the only dyno sheet I have seen at http://www.kgparts.com/R85.htm it impressive!
02-16-05 | 07:25 PM
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The track times were posted by turbotommy in this another thread you can ask him if he still has the slip he may be willing to post if he has the know how. The video is actually being hosted by vosko I think it has been a couple of years he may still have it. I believe all the dyno sheets are posted on http://www.kgparts.com as more become available I'm sure they will make there way to the forum. turbotommy is getting a tec3 installed on his car and will be at atco dragway waiting for the gates to open when it is complete And in my video you can see the time my car posted I will add before someone crys fowl my car did have a upgraded transmission.
And in my video you can see the time my car posted I will add before someone crys fowl my car did have a upgraded transmission.
02-16-05 | 08:39 PM
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http://vosko.net/media/dragracing/ and the file name is demetrious9secpass.rm my name is spelled wrong
02-17-05 | 09:23 AM
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I have the high boost dyno from him but it does not have rpm it only has mph. Wich will only make more contraversy. If there are any more questions for me directly you can email me or PM following this thread it getting difficult djseven maybe I can be convinced to send you the dyno sheet via email
02-18-05 | 12:14 AM
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Dee already posted a link to the compressor map in this thread if that's what you are looking for:
http://www.turboengineering.com/cust...ies/ht300.html
-Max
http://www.turboengineering.com/cust...ies/ht300.html
-Max
02-18-05 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rotor_dee
http://vosko.net/media/dragracing/ and the file name is demetrious9secpass.rm my name is spelled wrong
02-18-05 | 04:30 PM
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Going off my memory mine hits 10lbs at around 3500 give or take. When I go out later I'll get a definitive answer and post it. the problem with my car right now is that its untuned and the secondaries are dumping lots and lots of fuel at WOT so I haven't really been able to judge how fast the car is because I haven't been able to go WOT.
Hopefully it will be tuned sometime next month and you all will have a dynosheet from someone other than Dee.
Hopefully it will be tuned sometime next month and you all will have a dynosheet from someone other than Dee.
02-18-05 | 05:12 PM
#72
Originally Posted by FD3SR1
so what would be a good turbo to compare the r85 to? the hks t51-r kai? t78 t88 ect?
02-19-05 | 02:12 PM
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He gave you guys the specs of the turbo... If it is a HT300 then it is a 61.xx mm comp wheel. It has a 1.15 AR as has been stated. So it is much smaller than the t51r and the t78 and the GT40R and a t66 on the comp side. But on the turbine side it is bigger than all the turbos stated. It will have slower spool than these turbos all else equal.
Edan
Edan