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Old 01-07-08 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Boostn7
GT4094R and GT4294R do not have the same compressor wheel.
GT4094R uses a 67.8mm inducer vs the GT4294R 's 70.3mm.
Exducer are same at 94mm.

JD
Viper,

JD is right, but I'm not sure the difference in trim amounts to any measurable real world difference to you. One is a 56 trim and one is a 52 trim. At 20psi, the difference in efficiency between them is 1%. The trim has no effect on the ratio of the major diameters of the comp. and turbine. Because of the more ideal wheel ratio of the gt4294r compared to the gt4094r, it will spool just as fast as the gt4094r, and you'll have less backpressure and run cooler and make more power with less boost.
Old 01-07-08 | 11:55 AM
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My car is currently at PFSupercars right now, and I'm shooting for around 530hp on pump and Ray said it's very possible with my mods with water/meth. Hell, I might even get more, I'll let you know once I get it back and break in the motor and go back for the final pump tune/race gas tune.

EDIT: And it's going to be my daily driver, except I'll only be running 15-16psi since I have a 15lb wastegate spring daily, and raise it up when I want too.
Old 01-07-08 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Boostn7
How much power did you back then?

If anything fuel blends may have improved with the introduction of Ethanol.
Since I started using BP-93 with 10% Ethanol my knock numbers under boost are much lower compared to Exxon/Mobil or Sunoco back years ago.

Chris achieved that goal then and I'm sure he could achieve it today with less effort. Don't see any new fuel blends presenting a problem.

JD
It's a guess on my part about the fuel blends. I don't know honestly if they've changed but I've suspected that they'd get ever-so-steadily worse over time due to the EPA guys putting possibly stricter and stricter restrictions on things. Maybe it's just my pessimism doing my thinking for me.

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Old 01-07-08 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper GTSR

...A good friend of mine whom also owns a performance shop (known for EVO & Supra work) is laughing at me and says it can't be done RELIABLY. He says my rotary will 'pop like they ALL do' at THAT HP level if i try to run it like that as a daily driven car. He says its an unreliable motor with an unreliable band aid in having Alcohol injection which itself has often been very unreliable in his vast experience with AI kits on EVO's. He's telling me to 'just stuff a chevy V8 in it' which makes me cringe just thinking about it...i wouldn't even be remotely interested in a chevy-mazda rx7 mutt.

Comments and rebutts on my concerns are highly appreciated.
Now that is funny, tell your friend thanks for the amusement. Talk to Ray at PFS he is right by you and can more than show you what want.


Originally Posted by Old Slow Coach
Because of the more ideal wheel ratio of the gt4294r compared to the gt4094r, it will spool just as fast as the gt4094r, and you'll have less backpressure and run cooler and make more power with less boost.

I agree one hundred percent! I think you'll be better off running a 4294R on either a nice TiAL housing or the T6 I haven't been too big on the T4 frame on the 42R's 4094's are nice for packaging but that's the only benefit over a straight 42R.
Old 01-17-08 | 09:42 PM
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650+ RWHP RX2 on pump and WI

Copied from the NRS thread, will likely post in the AI section as well:

Here is some VBOX data on Jake's Capella taken from Ausrotary including Pete's comments and a link to the thread. This car made 3 runs in the finals at summernats making 563 RWHP, 582 RWHP and 588 RWHP respectively. This was done on a Dyno Dynamics so for Dynojet the figures would be approx 647 RWHP, 670 RWHP and 676 RWHP respectively. Done on NRS 3mm 1pc

DEFINITELY READ THIS THREAD FOR THE FULL STORY ON THIS CAR Pgs 5 - 6
Also a pile of info, links etc for the Racelogic VBOX. Any questions you have for Pete you can ask them here:

http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.p...&sd=a&start=80
Quote:
Originally Posted by RICE RACING
"Proof of G *note its higher than I claimed

Boost is higher also, but cant give all detail but there is enough here to keep you interested, you will see true vehicle speed, rear wheel speed, rear wheel slip percentage and some other interesting stuff :laugh:

**note waving rpm line is due to wheel spin/slip** and struggling for traction, but still enough to out accelerate a Pagani Zonda



Highest peak boost PUMP FUEL RICE RACING WATER INJECTED



Quote:
Originally Posted by RICE RACING
Specs on the Zonda totally crushed by a fully loaded ~1200kg *as tested* Mazda :laugh:

2005 Pagani Zonda C12 F Specifications - Specs

price $741 000 USD
engine Mercedes Benz M180 V12 w/Pagani Intake, Exhaust, Management Systems
position Mid-Longitudinal
aspiration Natural
valvetrain DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl
displacement 7291 cc / 444.9 cu in
bore 91.5 mm / 3.6 in
stroke 92.4 mm / 3.64 in
power 484.7 kw / 650 bhp @ 6200 rpm
hp per litre 89.15 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 510.2 bhp per weight
torque 1057.54 nm / 780 ft lbs @ 4000 rpm
redline 7000
drive wheels RWD w/Traction Control, Self Locking Differential
weight 1274 kg / 2809 lbs
wheelbase 2730 mm / 107.5 in
length 4435 mm / 174.6 in
width 2055 mm / 80.9 in
height 1141 mm / 44.9 in
transmission 6-Speed Manual w/Twin Plate Clutch
0 - 60 mph 3.5 seconds

110kph to 144kph Mazda 13B turbo road car V's Zonda super car





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Originally Posted by RICE RACING
Now I am told the Capella weight on its own is 1100kg (add 190kg of people and equipment) and take into account it was tested at high altitude + at 35 deg C and you can guess how much real world power it has


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Originally Posted by RICE RACING
This graph shows the trend of G from 110 to 160 and you can see the relationship of G fall with speed is roughly equal between the two (the drop off in G on the Mazda @ 160kph is due to rev limiter and resulting fuel cut followed by drop in boost), its just the Mazda is offset much higher, end result is it will get to its potential top with ease, in a much much shorter space of time and more importantly lenght of road ........ OR every single body panel will fly off, and the street tires will explode :!: (more like it LOL)



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Originally Posted by RICE RACING
Here is a good graph for you Jason, if your car can do 110kph to 150kph in 2.00sec or less while in one gear, then its super fast
graph notes: 25+psi boost 2.7bar abs, 35 deg C ambient day ....... pump fuel water injected road car in full street trim





Video of Jakes Capella:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...kesCapella.flv
Old 01-17-08 | 10:43 PM
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yea, my dyno representative was telling me about a bad *** rotary at the summernats this year! then rice hit me up with the good news fo sho!!!! great stuff
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