Sevenstock 25 Saturday 11/11/2023
08-21-23, 06:20 PM
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Sevenstock 25 Saturday 11/11/2023
The date is set.. Saturday November 11, 2023
The place: Irwindale Speedway..
Go to www.Sevenstock.org for upcoming details..
The place: Irwindale Speedway..
Go to www.Sevenstock.org for upcoming details..
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Pronkie (08-22-23)
10-02-23, 11:41 AM
#3
Hey guys! 
Few honest questions from someone who genuinely wants to attend fine jdm events hosted at race tracks.
I currently live in Monterey and have never cared much about what the Porsche world and beyond is up to but they were everywhere this weekend! Turns out it was the RennSport 7th reunion. Super fancy new models, old school, modded, literally had it all and I think even the locals take the opportunity to drive their cars this weekend because there were so many all over nearly every street. What a great showing of support imo. Not to mention how well this event is put together. And imo, it's the PEOPLE who make all the difference at the end of the day. Plenty of opportunity to volunteer talent, time, services, etc which then establishes a genuine community.
https://www.porscherennsportreunion.com/
So I ask, how come 7stock isn't held at a more prestigious track? Why does the website look like it were designed in the 2000's with almost nothing to offer (did you SEE the RennSport site) ? And what separates their display of enthusiasm from our own?
I personally think hosting at a prestigious track would not only draw a larger and more enthusiastic crowd but provide a much more memorable experience. I can almost imagine factory Mazda's out on track for an exhibition of speed as opposed to sitting stationary like they typically do. I seriously would love to attend a rotary (or jdm) event at a world-renowned track such as Laguna Seca, wow.
ps- please don't say "because they're rich / have money, etc" because last time I checked Porsches are a fair deal these days and a very very large part of the mazda motorsports identity is all about the underdog winning, etc and a huge cop out imo. Not to mention the 'market' has valued FD's at ridiculous values (imo) so again, I'm baffled as to why mazda and / or the enthusiast community is unable to produce such an event. The cost of a daily track rental + insurance isn't unobtainable and I know there is no shortage or clever hardworking people around here. Just curious why we don't put more eggs into that kind of basket as opposed to supporting what currently exists (cars/coffee, social media junk, etc).
Few honest questions from someone who genuinely wants to attend fine jdm events hosted at race tracks.
I currently live in Monterey and have never cared much about what the Porsche world and beyond is up to but they were everywhere this weekend! Turns out it was the RennSport 7th reunion. Super fancy new models, old school, modded, literally had it all and I think even the locals take the opportunity to drive their cars this weekend because there were so many all over nearly every street. What a great showing of support imo. Not to mention how well this event is put together. And imo, it's the PEOPLE who make all the difference at the end of the day. Plenty of opportunity to volunteer talent, time, services, etc which then establishes a genuine community.
https://www.porscherennsportreunion.com/
So I ask, how come 7stock isn't held at a more prestigious track? Why does the website look like it were designed in the 2000's with almost nothing to offer (did you SEE the RennSport site) ? And what separates their display of enthusiasm from our own?
I personally think hosting at a prestigious track would not only draw a larger and more enthusiastic crowd but provide a much more memorable experience. I can almost imagine factory Mazda's out on track for an exhibition of speed as opposed to sitting stationary like they typically do. I seriously would love to attend a rotary (or jdm) event at a world-renowned track such as Laguna Seca, wow.
ps- please don't say "because they're rich / have money, etc" because last time I checked Porsches are a fair deal these days and a very very large part of the mazda motorsports identity is all about the underdog winning, etc and a huge cop out imo. Not to mention the 'market' has valued FD's at ridiculous values (imo) so again, I'm baffled as to why mazda and / or the enthusiast community is unable to produce such an event. The cost of a daily track rental + insurance isn't unobtainable and I know there is no shortage or clever hardworking people around here. Just curious why we don't put more eggs into that kind of basket as opposed to supporting what currently exists (cars/coffee, social media junk, etc).
10-02-23, 01:51 PM
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If you look at the age grouping poll on here, the biggest segment is guys in there 40's. Its a busy time with career and kids, etc.
Certainly up here that leads to a lot less volunteer time available for organizing big events.
Peak involvement up here is for a few weeks around our Seven's, Day ;after which many cars go back into storage.
Bigger events have more complexity, of course: Facility rent, security, liability insurance coverage. (did I mention liability coverage?)
Certainly up here that leads to a lot less volunteer time available for organizing big events.
Peak involvement up here is for a few weeks around our Seven's, Day ;after which many cars go back into storage.
Bigger events have more complexity, of course: Facility rent, security, liability insurance coverage. (did I mention liability coverage?)
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Federighi (10-04-23)
10-04-23, 04:08 PM
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If you look at the age grouping poll on here, the biggest segment is guys in there 40's. Its a busy time with career and kids, etc.
Certainly up here that leads to a lot less volunteer time available for organizing big events.
Peak involvement up here is for a few weeks around our Seven's, Day ;after which many cars go back into storage.
Bigger events have more complexity, of course: Facility rent, security, liability insurance coverage. (did I mention liability coverage?)
Certainly up here that leads to a lot less volunteer time available for organizing big events.
Peak involvement up here is for a few weeks around our Seven's, Day ;after which many cars go back into storage.
Bigger events have more complexity, of course: Facility rent, security, liability insurance coverage. (did I mention liability coverage?)
I'm more than positive such an event could ultimately become monetarily lucrative and self-sustaining if organizers adjusted / updated their operating model. I'm not sure what typical attendance numbers are but I'm of the mind to believe associated costs could be easily offset by general admission ticket sales, car show entrance fess, track fees, vendor fees, etc imo. In CA (and in general imo), adults / parents in their 30's - 40's+ with a career and family are typically looking for for fun / interesting family appropriate attractions to exposed their children to and are more than willing to spend money to do so.
Not unlike this fine and well received event. But finding jdm events of this caliber seems to be nonexistent. I'm curious as to why? Definitely more than enough enthusiasm, so what's the real hold-up? I understand bigger = more x, y, z but there is definitely a segment of RX owners who would appreciate a higher level / classy event.
https://luftgekuhlt.com/blogs/events/luft-9
10-04-23, 05:57 PM
#6
"All Japan Classics" organized quite successful annual meets in Vancouver. But loss of access to the harbour side venue and Covid seemed to put a damper on things. Hopefully it will revive. I believe Seattle and Victoria had similar events.
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Federighi (10-05-23)
10-05-23, 11:45 AM
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Sounds similar to the Japanese classic car show down in LA, but no track event. For me, a large part of the experienced will be track driving. I'd prefer to drive somewhere as nice as Laguna and I'm more than willing to pay BIG for it. But the lack of engagement on here makes me think I'm in the minority.
10-05-23, 09:47 PM
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We combined out Seven's Day with a sanctioned AutoX event this year. But, despite a long lead time, we got very few participants, outside our group that would have been in the AutoX anyway. That is just one example, but it seems it is a very small subset within our group (160+ owners) that would pick up on the track option.
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Federighi (10-06-23)
10-06-23, 01:59 PM
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We combined out Seven's Day with a sanctioned AutoX event this year. But, despite a long lead time, we got very few participants, outside our group that would have been in the AutoX anyway. That is just one example, but it seems it is a very small subset within our group (160+ owners) that would pick up on the track option.
So how come it seems like Porsche owners are more willing to drive? They view the function of their vehicles differently? Less concerned about value / collectability? The amount of support / enthusiasm around the RennSport event was nothing short of incredible with historic race cars of various classes and eras on display (as well as track exhibitions) plus a plethora of street cars new and old, oem to modded all hosted at one of America's most prestigious tracks.
I've been a die-hard RX fan for 20+ years but it might be the Craig Lieberman thing I'll try to paraphrase here. He basically says that when we're young we buy what we can afford (items generally not of the highest quality) and as we mature throughout our lifetime, so do our tastes. Where someone who drove a slammed civic hatchback in their 20's, now drives a m3 sedan in their 40's -50's, etc. Something like that. From what I remember, he also goes on about replica parts taking money out of the hands of genuine jdm shops, which causes them to not R&D products because they''ll just get copied again, etc. How can someone who operates a 'business' feel this practice is ethical in any way is just beyond me.
Maybe it's time to switch brands? I've been looking for a community (not para-social) that actively engages in large well organized events. Like I was saying before, there's no shortage of clever and hardworking people around here, so it escapes me why we don't have a high caliber event of our own.
10-07-23, 04:13 PM
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Ha! That's certainly an appropriate anecdote to use if I ever heard one. I've always enjoyed what Japanese craftsmanship / engineering offered at a given price point compared to European, American, etc because (in general) their inherent qualities were generally executed to a high level of degree (if not superior in certain cases) by comparison and these characteristics of JDM products were more in line with my values at that time (ie: less expensive to own and operate, Japan always offered a lot of bang for the buck imo).
To my knowledge, German machine's have always been historically expensive to own and operate; except fast forward to a few years ago where in today's marketplace standard (non-limited / special edition etc) German model's are right within price point of most global competitors. From today's perspective, there are a ton of sweet (on paper, to the eye, pocket book imo) German machines out there (not sure of longevity / maintenance) where Japan hasn't been able to produce any real contributions for some time. But I suppose it's a sign of the time's...
ps- super cool pic and rather on topic I might add but also symbolic of mazda involvement in the sports car segment imo. I always viewed Japan as David in the Goliath story by challenging the German sports car status quo; even besting them from time to time.
To my knowledge, German machine's have always been historically expensive to own and operate; except fast forward to a few years ago where in today's marketplace standard (non-limited / special edition etc) German model's are right within price point of most global competitors. From today's perspective, there are a ton of sweet (on paper, to the eye, pocket book imo) German machines out there (not sure of longevity / maintenance) where Japan hasn't been able to produce any real contributions for some time. But I suppose it's a sign of the time's...
ps- super cool pic and rather on topic I might add but also symbolic of mazda involvement in the sports car segment imo. I always viewed Japan as David in the Goliath story by challenging the German sports car status quo; even besting them from time to time.
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Redbul (10-08-23)
10-26-23, 12:30 PM
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Hey guys!
Few honest questions from someone who genuinely wants to attend fine jdm events hosted at race tracks.
I currently live in Monterey and have never cared much about what the Porsche world and beyond is up to but they were everywhere this weekend! Turns out it was the RennSport 7th reunion. Super fancy new models, old school, modded, literally had it all and I think even the locals take the opportunity to drive their cars this weekend because there were so many all over nearly every street. What a great showing of support imo. Not to mention how well this event is put together. And imo, it's the PEOPLE who make all the difference at the end of the day. Plenty of opportunity to volunteer talent, time, services, etc which then establishes a genuine community.
https://www.porscherennsportreunion.com/
So I ask, how come 7stock isn't held at a more prestigious track? Why does the website look like it were designed in the 2000's with almost nothing to offer (did you SEE the RennSport site) ? And what separates their display of enthusiasm from our own?
I personally think hosting at a prestigious track would not only draw a larger and more enthusiastic crowd but provide a much more memorable experience. I can almost imagine factory Mazda's out on track for an exhibition of speed as opposed to sitting stationary like they typically do. I seriously would love to attend a rotary (or jdm) event at a world-renowned track such as Laguna Seca, wow.
Few honest questions from someone who genuinely wants to attend fine jdm events hosted at race tracks.
I currently live in Monterey and have never cared much about what the Porsche world and beyond is up to but they were everywhere this weekend! Turns out it was the RennSport 7th reunion. Super fancy new models, old school, modded, literally had it all and I think even the locals take the opportunity to drive their cars this weekend because there were so many all over nearly every street. What a great showing of support imo. Not to mention how well this event is put together. And imo, it's the PEOPLE who make all the difference at the end of the day. Plenty of opportunity to volunteer talent, time, services, etc which then establishes a genuine community.
https://www.porscherennsportreunion.com/
So I ask, how come 7stock isn't held at a more prestigious track? Why does the website look like it were designed in the 2000's with almost nothing to offer (did you SEE the RennSport site) ? And what separates their display of enthusiasm from our own?
I personally think hosting at a prestigious track would not only draw a larger and more enthusiastic crowd but provide a much more memorable experience. I can almost imagine factory Mazda's out on track for an exhibition of speed as opposed to sitting stationary like they typically do. I seriously would love to attend a rotary (or jdm) event at a world-renowned track such as Laguna Seca, wow.
Apparently Top Gear just presented the entire event in a well produced video. I can only hope that one day the jdm scene elevates to this level of enthusiasm and appreciation.
"...What stands out is the people, the passion. The people that work for Porsche, the enthusiast - we're all like a big family… I don't think any other brand in the world is like that… the people are the beating heart of Porsche". -Andy Preuninger (head of GT dept)
Wow that's an inspiring perspective from a director if I may say so. And is so far removed from the gimmicky showroom bs like other brands who fain loyalty, integrity, sincerity, etc. Funny how it's taken me 20 years to finally get it, Porsche is truly an iconic manufacturer.
12-21-23, 04:50 PM
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Sevenstock 25
Hey guys!
Few honest questions from someone who genuinely wants to attend fine jdm events hosted at race tracks.
I currently live in Monterey and have never cared much about what the Porsche world and beyond is up to but they were everywhere this weekend! Turns out it was the RennSport 7th reunion. Super fancy new models, old school, modded, literally had it all and I think even the locals take the opportunity to drive their cars this weekend because there were so many all over nearly every street. What a great showing of support imo. Not to mention how well this event is put together. And imo, it's the PEOPLE who make all the difference at the end of the day. Plenty of opportunity to volunteer talent, time, services, etc which then establishes a genuine community.
https://www.porscherennsportreunion.com/
So I ask, how come 7stock isn't held at a more prestigious track? Why does the website look like it were designed in the 2000's with almost nothing to offer (did you SEE the RennSport site) ? And what separates their display of enthusiasm from our own?
I personally think hosting at a prestigious track would not only draw a larger and more enthusiastic crowd but provide a much more memorable experience. I can almost imagine factory Mazda's out on track for an exhibition of speed as opposed to sitting stationary like they typically do. I seriously would love to attend a rotary (or jdm) event at a world-renowned track such as Laguna Seca, wow.
ps- please don't say "because they're rich / have money, etc" because last time I checked Porsches are a fair deal these days and a very very large part of the mazda motorsports identity is all about the underdog winning, etc and a huge cop out imo. Not to mention the 'market' has valued FD's at ridiculous values (imo) so again, I'm baffled as to why mazda and / or the enthusiast community is unable to produce such an event. The cost of a daily track rental + insurance isn't unobtainable and I know there is no shortage or clever hardworking people around here. Just curious why we don't put more eggs into that kind of basket as opposed to supporting what currently exists (cars/coffee, social media junk, etc).
Few honest questions from someone who genuinely wants to attend fine jdm events hosted at race tracks.
I currently live in Monterey and have never cared much about what the Porsche world and beyond is up to but they were everywhere this weekend! Turns out it was the RennSport 7th reunion. Super fancy new models, old school, modded, literally had it all and I think even the locals take the opportunity to drive their cars this weekend because there were so many all over nearly every street. What a great showing of support imo. Not to mention how well this event is put together. And imo, it's the PEOPLE who make all the difference at the end of the day. Plenty of opportunity to volunteer talent, time, services, etc which then establishes a genuine community.
https://www.porscherennsportreunion.com/
So I ask, how come 7stock isn't held at a more prestigious track? Why does the website look like it were designed in the 2000's with almost nothing to offer (did you SEE the RennSport site) ? And what separates their display of enthusiasm from our own?
I personally think hosting at a prestigious track would not only draw a larger and more enthusiastic crowd but provide a much more memorable experience. I can almost imagine factory Mazda's out on track for an exhibition of speed as opposed to sitting stationary like they typically do. I seriously would love to attend a rotary (or jdm) event at a world-renowned track such as Laguna Seca, wow.
ps- please don't say "because they're rich / have money, etc" because last time I checked Porsches are a fair deal these days and a very very large part of the mazda motorsports identity is all about the underdog winning, etc and a huge cop out imo. Not to mention the 'market' has valued FD's at ridiculous values (imo) so again, I'm baffled as to why mazda and / or the enthusiast community is unable to produce such an event. The cost of a daily track rental + insurance isn't unobtainable and I know there is no shortage or clever hardworking people around here. Just curious why we don't put more eggs into that kind of basket as opposed to supporting what currently exists (cars/coffee, social media junk, etc).
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