Steve Kan Tuning on June 30th at Petit Racing in WPB
07-01-07 | 02:12 AM
#105
whell i believe if i remeber correctly lassen got 365 or around that...car hugger got around i belive 267 thats all i know of.. o and i think sikopathx's ecu was bad and had to uses car huggers pfc just to tune then save the maps and give it to him for when he gets a new one
07-01-07 | 02:18 AM
#106
I stuck around for Lassen (Luca and Reef tuning Chris's car) and Car Hugger (Doug's) tuning session.
With Chris's car using a T-78, things went well. They just needed to put in new plugs and they were good to go. After about 2, 2.5 hours they got it all dialed in and made 360rwhp. There was more power in the car, but it was restricted by small and poorly bent intercooler piping.
Next up was me, I'll get to that in a second.
Doug got on the dyno and needed nothing to get started. Steve started dialing it in and the car was running real well. Unfortunately, when Steve tried to go for 13psi on Doug's stock turbos the ignition couldn't keep up, and he got break up. None-the-less, Doug made an astounding 1200rwhp
The spike in the system not included, Doug's BEAUTIFUL Montego Blue FD made 287rwhp @ 12psi. Steve also commented that Doug was seeing 90% inj duty cycle. With a few little things (ignition amp, larger intercooler, larger secondaries) Doug will have a SERIOUS rocket ship!
Now...*sigh* my go. I was second in line for tuning. We put the car on the dyno and went for a run. As soon as the car hit 3,000rpm it would pop and break up. It kept doing this, and Steve deduced that the secondary injectors weren't firing and wanted to check if the problem was with the ECU. He stuck in Candy from Pettit's Power FC in my car and it ran just fine. This meant that the drivers on my ECU for the secondaries had been burnt out by the previous owner and would not open the secondaries.
Lesson:
DO NOT BUY PREVIOUSLY TUNED POWER FCS!!!
So we took the car off the dyno, and I had pretty much called it a day. Well Doug, in an EXTREMELY generous move, said he would let me put his PFC in my car, so that Steve could tune it, save the map, and later down the road I could load it with a dataloggit. That sounded great to me, considering I thought the day was lost, so after Doug's car was done on the dyno, we put his ECU in my car and strapped it on for round two.
As we got going, Steve said my BRAND NEW OUT OF THE BOX Boost Controller was not working. "You've got to be kidding me", was my reaction. We stuck in another unit and it worked, though later events make me skeptical of whether my unit is truly a lemon. So we get going again, my car now running off 50% borrowed parts, and Steve is finally able to make some pulls. 277rwhp on the first full run, but at the end of the run, we all noticed the exhaust dumping MASSIVE amounts of fuel.
Steve then noted that my secondary turbo was not holding boost (this is what makes me question the faulty BC diagnosis). After 1 or 2 more runs, the idle in the car got really lumpy, revving from 500-2500 on and off. Steve thinks something is causing the throttle to stick partially open. We removed the elbow and low and behold, metal shavings all over. Time to see if it's from the freshly installed PFS intercooler in the car or the turbos themselves. Pulled off the Crossover pipe and a couple of shavings but not as much. This is when we deduced that the rear turbo had too much shaft play, and was grinding the compressor wheel into the wall, causing these metal shavings, which were in turn making the throttle stick open, and worse, obviously getting into the engine. Just bought those turbos about a year ago....awesome.
At this point we could go no further. After all that, I'm out $330 only to find that my car has all sorts of problems, and that I have potentially $1,000 dollars in paperweights sitting on the car.
As Doug would say, "At least you don't have a blown motor!", but I'm not quite holding my breath. I still have those shavings in the engine and who knows what will happen.
The Moral of the story for me is:
BE CAREFUL BUYING USED PARTS or possibly don't buy used at all unless there is NO WAY it could go wrong OR, it won't matter if it does. Furthermore, give yourself plenty of time to prepare for Dyno day. I rushed a lot of stuff and now I'm sitting with what is currently a large decoration in my garage.
I will say, I met some really awesome people today who were extremely selfless in their actions, and could not have been more sensitive to my situation. To Doug, Luca, Reef, and everyone at Pettit, I extend my most sincere gratitude. If you guys ever need anything, don't hesitate for a second to ask.
Now then, I'm gonna go draw mean colorings of me beating my car up, and then I'm gonna take a little prozac. Goodnight guys
With Chris's car using a T-78, things went well. They just needed to put in new plugs and they were good to go. After about 2, 2.5 hours they got it all dialed in and made 360rwhp. There was more power in the car, but it was restricted by small and poorly bent intercooler piping.
Next up was me, I'll get to that in a second.
Doug got on the dyno and needed nothing to get started. Steve started dialing it in and the car was running real well. Unfortunately, when Steve tried to go for 13psi on Doug's stock turbos the ignition couldn't keep up, and he got break up. None-the-less, Doug made an astounding 1200rwhp
The spike in the system not included, Doug's BEAUTIFUL Montego Blue FD made 287rwhp @ 12psi. Steve also commented that Doug was seeing 90% inj duty cycle. With a few little things (ignition amp, larger intercooler, larger secondaries) Doug will have a SERIOUS rocket ship!Now...*sigh* my go. I was second in line for tuning. We put the car on the dyno and went for a run. As soon as the car hit 3,000rpm it would pop and break up. It kept doing this, and Steve deduced that the secondary injectors weren't firing and wanted to check if the problem was with the ECU. He stuck in Candy from Pettit's Power FC in my car and it ran just fine. This meant that the drivers on my ECU for the secondaries had been burnt out by the previous owner and would not open the secondaries.
Lesson:
DO NOT BUY PREVIOUSLY TUNED POWER FCS!!!
So we took the car off the dyno, and I had pretty much called it a day. Well Doug, in an EXTREMELY generous move, said he would let me put his PFC in my car, so that Steve could tune it, save the map, and later down the road I could load it with a dataloggit. That sounded great to me, considering I thought the day was lost, so after Doug's car was done on the dyno, we put his ECU in my car and strapped it on for round two.
As we got going, Steve said my BRAND NEW OUT OF THE BOX Boost Controller was not working. "You've got to be kidding me", was my reaction. We stuck in another unit and it worked, though later events make me skeptical of whether my unit is truly a lemon. So we get going again, my car now running off 50% borrowed parts, and Steve is finally able to make some pulls. 277rwhp on the first full run, but at the end of the run, we all noticed the exhaust dumping MASSIVE amounts of fuel.
Steve then noted that my secondary turbo was not holding boost (this is what makes me question the faulty BC diagnosis). After 1 or 2 more runs, the idle in the car got really lumpy, revving from 500-2500 on and off. Steve thinks something is causing the throttle to stick partially open. We removed the elbow and low and behold, metal shavings all over. Time to see if it's from the freshly installed PFS intercooler in the car or the turbos themselves. Pulled off the Crossover pipe and a couple of shavings but not as much. This is when we deduced that the rear turbo had too much shaft play, and was grinding the compressor wheel into the wall, causing these metal shavings, which were in turn making the throttle stick open, and worse, obviously getting into the engine. Just bought those turbos about a year ago....awesome.
At this point we could go no further. After all that, I'm out $330 only to find that my car has all sorts of problems, and that I have potentially $1,000 dollars in paperweights sitting on the car.
As Doug would say, "At least you don't have a blown motor!", but I'm not quite holding my breath. I still have those shavings in the engine and who knows what will happen.
The Moral of the story for me is:
BE CAREFUL BUYING USED PARTS or possibly don't buy used at all unless there is NO WAY it could go wrong OR, it won't matter if it does. Furthermore, give yourself plenty of time to prepare for Dyno day. I rushed a lot of stuff and now I'm sitting with what is currently a large decoration in my garage.
I will say, I met some really awesome people today who were extremely selfless in their actions, and could not have been more sensitive to my situation. To Doug, Luca, Reef, and everyone at Pettit, I extend my most sincere gratitude. If you guys ever need anything, don't hesitate for a second to ask.
Now then, I'm gonna go draw mean colorings of me beating my car up, and then I'm gonna take a little prozac. Goodnight guys
07-01-07 | 02:10 PM
#107
I stuck around for Lassen (Luca and Reef tuning Chris's car) and Car Hugger (Doug's) tuning session.
With Chris's car using a T-78, things went well. They just needed to put in new plugs and they were good to go. After about 2, 2.5 hours they got it all dialed in and made 360rwhp. There was more power in the car, but it was restricted by small and poorly bent intercooler piping.
Next up was me, I'll get to that in a second.
Doug got on the dyno and needed nothing to get started. Steve started dialing it in and the car was running real well. Unfortunately, when Steve tried to go for 13psi on Doug's stock turbos the ignition couldn't keep up, and he got break up. None-the-less, Doug made an astounding 1200rwhp The spike in the system not included, Doug's BEAUTIFUL Montego Blue FD made 287rwhp @ 12psi. Steve also commented that Doug was seeing 90% inj duty cycle. With a few little things (ignition amp, larger intercooler, larger secondaries) Doug will have a SERIOUS rocket ship!
Now...*sigh* my go. I was second in line for tuning. We put the car on the dyno and went for a run. As soon as the car hit 3,000rpm it would pop and break up. It kept doing this, and Steve deduced that the secondary injectors weren't firing and wanted to check if the problem was with the ECU. He stuck in Candy from Pettit's Power FC in my car and it ran just fine. This meant that the drivers on my ECU for the secondaries had been burnt out by the previous owner and would not open the secondaries.
Lesson:
DO NOT BUY PREVIOUSLY TUNED POWER FCS!!!
So we took the car off the dyno, and I had pretty much called it a day. Well Doug, in an EXTREMELY generous move, said he would let me put his PFC in my car, so that Steve could tune it, save the map, and later down the road I could load it with a dataloggit. That sounded great to me, considering I thought the day was lost, so after Doug's car was done on the dyno, we put his ECU in my car and strapped it on for round two.
As we got going, Steve said my BRAND NEW OUT OF THE BOX Boost Controller was not working. "You've got to be kidding me", was my reaction. We stuck in another unit and it worked, though later events make me skeptical of whether my unit is truly a lemon. So we get going again, my car now running off 50% borrowed parts, and Steve is finally able to make some pulls. 277rwhp on the first full run, but at the end of the run, we all noticed the exhaust dumping MASSIVE amounts of fuel.
Steve then noted that my secondary turbo was not holding boost (this is what makes me question the faulty BC diagnosis). After 1 or 2 more runs, the idle in the car got really lumpy, revving from 500-2500 on and off. Steve thinks something is causing the throttle to stick partially open. We removed the elbow and low and behold, metal shavings all over. Time to see if it's from the freshly installed PFS intercooler in the car or the turbos themselves. Pulled off the Crossover pipe and a couple of shavings but not as much. This is when we deduced that the rear turbo had too much shaft play, and was grinding the compressor wheel into the wall, causing these metal shavings, which were in turn making the throttle stick open, and worse, obviously getting into the engine. Just bought those turbos about a year ago....awesome.
At this point we could go no further. After all that, I'm out $330 only to find that my car has all sorts of problems, and that I have potentially $1,000 dollars in paperweights sitting on the car.
As Doug would say, "At least you don't have a blown motor!", but I'm not quite holding my breath. I still have those shavings in the engine and who knows what will happen.
The Moral of the story for me is:
BE CAREFUL BUYING USED PARTS or possibly don't buy used at all unless there is NO WAY it could go wrong OR, it won't matter if it does. Furthermore, give yourself plenty of time to prepare for Dyno day. I rushed a lot of stuff and now I'm sitting with what is currently a large decoration in my garage.
I will say, I met some really awesome people today who were extremely selfless in their actions, and could not have been more sensitive to my situation. To Doug, Luca, Reef, and everyone at Pettit, I extend my most sincere gratitude. If you guys ever need anything, don't hesitate for a second to ask.
Now then, I'm gonna go draw mean colorings of me beating my car up, and then I'm gonna take a little prozac. Goodnight guys
With Chris's car using a T-78, things went well. They just needed to put in new plugs and they were good to go. After about 2, 2.5 hours they got it all dialed in and made 360rwhp. There was more power in the car, but it was restricted by small and poorly bent intercooler piping.
Next up was me, I'll get to that in a second.
Doug got on the dyno and needed nothing to get started. Steve started dialing it in and the car was running real well. Unfortunately, when Steve tried to go for 13psi on Doug's stock turbos the ignition couldn't keep up, and he got break up. None-the-less, Doug made an astounding 1200rwhp
The spike in the system not included, Doug's BEAUTIFUL Montego Blue FD made 287rwhp @ 12psi. Steve also commented that Doug was seeing 90% inj duty cycle. With a few little things (ignition amp, larger intercooler, larger secondaries) Doug will have a SERIOUS rocket ship!Now...*sigh* my go. I was second in line for tuning. We put the car on the dyno and went for a run. As soon as the car hit 3,000rpm it would pop and break up. It kept doing this, and Steve deduced that the secondary injectors weren't firing and wanted to check if the problem was with the ECU. He stuck in Candy from Pettit's Power FC in my car and it ran just fine. This meant that the drivers on my ECU for the secondaries had been burnt out by the previous owner and would not open the secondaries.
Lesson:
DO NOT BUY PREVIOUSLY TUNED POWER FCS!!!
So we took the car off the dyno, and I had pretty much called it a day. Well Doug, in an EXTREMELY generous move, said he would let me put his PFC in my car, so that Steve could tune it, save the map, and later down the road I could load it with a dataloggit. That sounded great to me, considering I thought the day was lost, so after Doug's car was done on the dyno, we put his ECU in my car and strapped it on for round two.
As we got going, Steve said my BRAND NEW OUT OF THE BOX Boost Controller was not working. "You've got to be kidding me", was my reaction. We stuck in another unit and it worked, though later events make me skeptical of whether my unit is truly a lemon. So we get going again, my car now running off 50% borrowed parts, and Steve is finally able to make some pulls. 277rwhp on the first full run, but at the end of the run, we all noticed the exhaust dumping MASSIVE amounts of fuel.
Steve then noted that my secondary turbo was not holding boost (this is what makes me question the faulty BC diagnosis). After 1 or 2 more runs, the idle in the car got really lumpy, revving from 500-2500 on and off. Steve thinks something is causing the throttle to stick partially open. We removed the elbow and low and behold, metal shavings all over. Time to see if it's from the freshly installed PFS intercooler in the car or the turbos themselves. Pulled off the Crossover pipe and a couple of shavings but not as much. This is when we deduced that the rear turbo had too much shaft play, and was grinding the compressor wheel into the wall, causing these metal shavings, which were in turn making the throttle stick open, and worse, obviously getting into the engine. Just bought those turbos about a year ago....awesome.
At this point we could go no further. After all that, I'm out $330 only to find that my car has all sorts of problems, and that I have potentially $1,000 dollars in paperweights sitting on the car.
As Doug would say, "At least you don't have a blown motor!", but I'm not quite holding my breath. I still have those shavings in the engine and who knows what will happen.
The Moral of the story for me is:
BE CAREFUL BUYING USED PARTS or possibly don't buy used at all unless there is NO WAY it could go wrong OR, it won't matter if it does. Furthermore, give yourself plenty of time to prepare for Dyno day. I rushed a lot of stuff and now I'm sitting with what is currently a large decoration in my garage.
I will say, I met some really awesome people today who were extremely selfless in their actions, and could not have been more sensitive to my situation. To Doug, Luca, Reef, and everyone at Pettit, I extend my most sincere gratitude. If you guys ever need anything, don't hesitate for a second to ask.
Now then, I'm gonna go draw mean colorings of me beating my car up, and then I'm gonna take a little prozac. Goodnight guys
07-01-07 | 05:34 PM
#109
ok whell i got tuned an got the 276 but i didnt get a dyno sheet for that one but the ony i have says 275. also secondary turbos were leaking oil or something, here are some pics while i was there and two vids i took of the dyno thats (blueish smoke)
The Limo (just had to take pics of it)
Videos
as you can see the exhust smoking from the leaky turbo, i just found out then
The Limo (just had to take pics of it)
Videos
as you can see the exhust smoking from the leaky turbo, i just found out then
07-01-07 | 06:43 PM
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justin, looks like its time for some B&R's
Douglas.....just what you needed an excuse to go buy more parts!
07-01-07 | 10:16 PM
#111
if you would like to donate to the "Justing BNR Funds" no problem i would get them in a heart beat. i want to start saving for an engine tho, 81,5xx miles and im starting to worrie about how much more she can last
07-02-07 | 08:06 PM
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07-02-07 | 10:17 PM
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Thanks to Steve for flying down and tuning, making our cars that much better. Thanks to Cam for the facility and to his employees for their help and awesome service. (mmm Pizza.)
After learning how each of us can improve our cars I'd be down for setting a new tuning session in 6 - 9 months. That should give those you were unable to get tuned, time to prep and repair their car.
There were only 6 cars tuned this weekend. I hit 287hp and 264tq. High intake temps, stock 850's and ignition breakup at the top of fourth were limiting factors. Car is also running hot on the highway with spirited driving, water temps are between 100 to 106. Intake temps w heat-soak after the tune were around 67-71. Flushing the system this week, replacing a intermittently squeaky water pump and the thermostat. If it still runs hot I'll give Royal Purple ice a try and then possibly Evans.
I enjoyed the tune as well the chance to meet the famous Steve Kan. When you guys are ready we'll set a new date. Also if there are at least five people Steve will come down again as soon as his schedule allows. So any of you who missed out and need a tune there is no reason to wait to set up another session.
After learning how each of us can improve our cars I'd be down for setting a new tuning session in 6 - 9 months. That should give those you were unable to get tuned, time to prep and repair their car.
There were only 6 cars tuned this weekend. I hit 287hp and 264tq. High intake temps, stock 850's and ignition breakup at the top of fourth were limiting factors. Car is also running hot on the highway with spirited driving, water temps are between 100 to 106. Intake temps w heat-soak after the tune were around 67-71. Flushing the system this week, replacing a intermittently squeaky water pump and the thermostat. If it still runs hot I'll give Royal Purple ice a try and then possibly Evans.
I enjoyed the tune as well the chance to meet the famous Steve Kan. When you guys are ready we'll set a new date. Also if there are at least five people Steve will come down again as soon as his schedule allows. So any of you who missed out and need a tune there is no reason to wait to set up another session.
07-02-07 | 11:53 PM
#120
Hi Steve & Doug,
It was really nice meeting you both on Saturday. I really appreciate the time and effort that you put in to the tunning session. Driving back down south the car felt really strong. Acceleration response was very crisp and clean. I only can immagine what it would be like at 24 psi.
Doug, it was really a pleasure meeting you as well , presently, I have 5 people in line, including me for another tunning session. We would all like to commit to the month of September 2007. If this is feasible, please give a specific date, once organized between you and Steve, (beginning or end of the month) so we can get deposits in motion.
Thanks once again, Keep the wheels in motion.
Andre
It was really nice meeting you both on Saturday. I really appreciate the time and effort that you put in to the tunning session. Driving back down south the car felt really strong. Acceleration response was very crisp and clean. I only can immagine what it would be like at 24 psi.
Doug, it was really a pleasure meeting you as well , presently, I have 5 people in line, including me for another tunning session. We would all like to commit to the month of September 2007. If this is feasible, please give a specific date, once organized between you and Steve, (beginning or end of the month) so we can get deposits in motion.
Thanks once again, Keep the wheels in motion.
Andre
07-03-07 | 01:02 AM
#122
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Sunday Tuning
It was 2 of us on Sunday, I think the most brutal temperature day 4 tuning. The Dyno room temperatures was in excess of 105 degrees F .
My car a 91fc (the 2001 FC3S.ORG COY) heavily modified & 1 of a handful of rotaries running TRAILING SPARK PLUGS ONLY NO LEADING PLUGS. Leading Plug ports r blocked. 1 BOSCH COIL per Plug making lots of spark. I am using MicroTech ECU, polished street ported motor,turbonetics BB turbo,cosmo fuel pump,3" SS d/p & exaust to power extreme greddy mufflers, sk fpr, 4 rows f/m IC act 6 puck, r/b lighten steel fly wheel ,koyo rad 2 much 2 list.
I had a slight problem but was able to pull 371.1 rwhp & 320 lb ft of torque.
My secondaries injectors were maxed out should have been about 1600cc instead of 1300cc. My TE04E BB turbo 60-1 57 trim could not stop the boost from falling off @ least 2 psi. Steve think the turbo was not large enough.
Considering the problems some people had I shoud not call my sizing a problem b cause my seven motor was spitting FLAMES, screaming bloody murder while turning the big wheel like a freight train.
Pics & data sheet will b posted stortly.
Peace
Gee
91T2 (91FC3S.ORG COY)
My car a 91fc (the 2001 FC3S.ORG COY) heavily modified & 1 of a handful of rotaries running TRAILING SPARK PLUGS ONLY NO LEADING PLUGS. Leading Plug ports r blocked. 1 BOSCH COIL per Plug making lots of spark. I am using MicroTech ECU, polished street ported motor,turbonetics BB turbo,cosmo fuel pump,3" SS d/p & exaust to power extreme greddy mufflers, sk fpr, 4 rows f/m IC act 6 puck, r/b lighten steel fly wheel ,koyo rad 2 much 2 list.
I had a slight problem but was able to pull 371.1 rwhp & 320 lb ft of torque.
My secondaries injectors were maxed out should have been about 1600cc instead of 1300cc. My TE04E BB turbo 60-1 57 trim could not stop the boost from falling off @ least 2 psi. Steve think the turbo was not large enough.
Considering the problems some people had I shoud not call my sizing a problem b cause my seven motor was spitting FLAMES, screaming bloody murder while turning the big wheel like a freight train.
Pics & data sheet will b posted stortly.
Peace
Gee
91T2 (91FC3S.ORG COY)
07-07-07 | 03:40 PM
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YES I am with Andre, if he alraeady has 5 people lined up for September I am there because my car is ready now (DOH!) so that makes six people I suppose, taking into account the people that will drop out/add in I think we can do this in Sept if Andre already has those people lined up.
Should we start a new thread?
Joe C
Should we start a new thread?
Joe C
07-07-07 | 03:56 PM
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I would PM Steve and find out his availability for September. Tell him you already have enough people to get another meet together and contact those that are ready to tune. Once you find out his schedule then I would start a new thread as the Mods like to have date and location in the title.