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06-20-06, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
^Why, chaffed already? Use some lotion.
Also, congrats, Johny... on the 10th AE, as well as the hood ornaments...
Let's make the 7-7-07 event just as good... with hot models and ****. Maybe more people will come.
06-20-06, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
^Why, chaffed already? Use some lotion.
06-20-06, 07:16 PM
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Advice on Track Tires - Non R-compound Only - Full Tread w/ Major Abuse
Can anyone offer personal experience with running full, or say 3/4 full, tread depth tires on track using them as hard as possible... FWIW this would be on a stock suspension... and a Miata, not an RX FWIW...
Specifically have you been able to run any that will hold up without chunking or over heating and failing a belt? Note that everything else, such as stickieness, etc. is of secondary concern...
Examples of various ones I'm interested in (particullarly cheap ones):
All either 195 or 205 /50-15s... if your experience is with a different size but the same model, that's fine...
Kumho ECSTA 711 (particularly interested in these)
Kumho ECSTA SPT
Kumho ECSTA MX
Fuzion ZRi
Sumitomo HTR Z
BFGoodrich g-Force Sport
Dunlop Direzza DZ101
Dunlop SP Sport FM901
Yokohama AVS ES100
Anyone tried Nitto NT 450s?
Any info would be appreciated...
TIA...
Specifically have you been able to run any that will hold up without chunking or over heating and failing a belt? Note that everything else, such as stickieness, etc. is of secondary concern...
Examples of various ones I'm interested in (particullarly cheap ones):
All either 195 or 205 /50-15s... if your experience is with a different size but the same model, that's fine...
Kumho ECSTA 711 (particularly interested in these)
Kumho ECSTA SPT
Kumho ECSTA MX
Fuzion ZRi
Sumitomo HTR Z
BFGoodrich g-Force Sport
Dunlop Direzza DZ101
Dunlop SP Sport FM901
Yokohama AVS ES100
Anyone tried Nitto NT 450s?
Any info would be appreciated...
TIA...
06-20-06, 08:38 PM
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This is the reason why god made race or R-compund tires. Why run street tires on the track? Just takes the fun out of it IMO. Maybe you should become a drifter 
06-20-06, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by camocarl
This is the reason why god made race or R-compund tires. Why run street tires on the track? Just takes the fun out of it IMO. Maybe you should become a drifter :)
I guess you just don't get.. and I say 'Why Not...'
Drive on the track what you drive on the street and you'll be a better driver... same logic I used when I shot in IDPA, I always shot what I carried, while most folks brought their 'race guns' so they could win them tacky wooden plaques... screw that... I got drawers full of 'um... I don't need any more... most of 'um don't represent a worthwhile endeavor no how as there weren't no real competition when I got 'um... what good is that, none far as I'm concerned...
I drive as hard as possible within the limits of whatever my fanny is sitting in... I don't need no special suspension, trick tires, or any other artificial help... so what if I can't turn as fast a time as you in whatever tricked up thing you're in, the question is can you drive what I'm in as fast as I can... ;)
If one follows your logic you'd be running ASB, ETC, ESC, GPS, and on and on through the whole alphabet soup... heck ya might as well have auto-pilot too... ;)
Drift'n my beeeg ol butt... drift'n is for dilberts... yeah, I'll drift alright, right up the UpHill Esses and 'round T10 flat out, riding the ripple strips the whole way... in whatever my fanny's sitting in at the time... ;)
Don't get me wrong, if folks want to use crutches, or insist on everybody using them via the rules that's fine... if it's really a competitive situation and I'm in a position to do it, which I'm usually not, I'd do it just because there ain't no other choice... it's just I've never seen the point in it since I got over having to fiddle with stuff, and decided to just get down to driving agin one another... not that I don't ever like to fiddle with stuff, say once or twice, but then it turns into boring repetitive work...
Oh yeah, one more thing... I'd never blame god for saddling us with race tars, and 'specially with R-compound 'street' tars... 'street' tars my beeeg ol butt, what a joke...
An thaz the name of that tune...
PS: BTW have you ever driven real street tires on the race track as hard as you could wring 'um out... if not, you might find there's no lack of pleasure there... get yer satisfaction where ya can...
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06-20-06, 10:34 PM
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Running a bone stock miata on a track with radial tires just isnt my bag. I guess its better than nothing though It just comes down to whatever floats your boat. There is a ton of sliding around if your doing it right on the sepc Toyo R compund tire in spec miata. Ive never driven a bone stock miata on a track with radial tires because I never had to! Optimizing a car within the rules is the fun part, race cars are meant to be worked on.
It just comes down to whatever floats your boat. There is a ton of sliding around if your doing it right on the sepc Toyo R compund tire in spec miata. Ive never driven a bone stock miata on a track with radial tires because I never had to! Optimizing a car within the rules is the fun part, race cars are meant to be worked on.
06-20-06, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by camocarl
Running a bone stock miata on a track with radial tires just isnt my bag. I guess its better than nothing though :)
It just comes down to whatever floats your boat. There is a ton of sliding around if your doing it right on the sepc Toyo R compund tire in spec miata. Ive never driven a bone stock miata on a track with radial tires because I never had to! :) Optimizing a car within the rules is the fun part, race cars are meant to be worked on.
There's certainly a place for it every which way... problem is it just dilutes the competition pool for any given form of actually racing wheel to wheel...
Like I said, I can get into the fiddling part, but after awhile of the same ol same ol, one may well find oneself in the masochist category... ;)
06-21-06, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
^Will they let you run a late 70's Caddy on VIR?
06-21-06, 09:03 AM
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Well friends, my RX-7 has been repaired. I sent the part to my Father and he had it towed to a transmission shop. I go on leave next Tuesday to go get it back from TN. I'm so anxious to get my 7 back, I'm gonna jump around like a little kid. My Dad said the old guy who fixed it was rather impressed when he went to test drive it. Something like you're "driving along and all the sudden it just takes off" and "it makes some crazy sound when you shift."
I'll be in Tennessee for 10 days so if anyone gets bored come out and run the dragon with me. It's only 6 hours away for most of you.
I'll be in Tennessee for 10 days so if anyone gets bored come out and run the dragon with me. It's only 6 hours away for most of you.
06-21-06, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by camocarl
Yep they will let you run it behind a pace car. Come up one SCCA or vintage race weekend.
06-21-06, 09:10 AM
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Jason, it's good to finally hear from you again, and good to hear the beast is running again. I thought you had gotten it fixed a while ago already and just hadn't updated us. So when's the next meet you're making it to? I'd love to run the dragon again, I got almost my whole suspension done, but I'd like to have new bushings the next time I go. I started thinking like Rob though, about moving out there somewhere just so I could run it anytime I wanted, haha.
06-21-06, 09:14 AM
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Well racing is racing no matter how you put it. In a 70's cadilac in a miata, in an rx7 etc., its all the same. But Im with you I don't see the fun in driving a bone stock car on a track when there is much better equipment out there for it...IMO.
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06-21-06, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by IMSA RS 69
Drive on the track what you drive on the street and you'll be a better driver... same logic I used when ...
I just spent 12 sessions in my FD on a set on Toyo T1-Rs. Most of the drivers in my group were on R comps, but none were faster. Though I do care too much for the Kumho 712s, there was a respectably fast 911 in my group running them. He did not quite have the grip I had, but they were working for him.
If you learn to drive fast on street comps, then when you do switch to R comps you'll be much faster because you won't have masked bad habits. Street tires help learn to be smooth, maximize the line and use all the grip there.
This weekend I turned the boost down to 10 psi, it was well over 90 deg on the track (Rockingham is like a microwave with the stands trapping heat) and I was trying new lines. I still managed to get slightly quicker laps than those from last fall where it was much cooler and running 12-13 psi.
Here is a little cat and mouse with that Porsche. He's really fast in NASCAR 1 & 2, but he loses so much ground on the infield I'm able to get a pass. I guess I'm too chicken because I kept it under 110 mph in the banking. If I had been focusing more on the track and less on him I'd have caught him faster. Next time he may be to tough to catch.
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06-21-06, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
Haha, no. What I was getting at was what's the point in not doing all you can to make your car faster? You might as well run a car like that, ya know? I guess I can understand just getting whatever kind of car and seeing what YOU can do behind the wheel. But for me, I'm all about seeing how fast I can get my car around that track using all the legal mods I can. If I can use supersticky tires, dammit I'm using them. I love to go fast, the faster the better. But I guess that's just me.
It's a matter of resources... if you ain't got much ya do with what ya got... so rather than doing nothing, I do what I can with what I got... and you know what, as camocarl remarked to me about how it's fun to whoop up on guys with money and more'n they can drive, it's a hoot to run the twisty stuff as fast or faster than they can with a wo out POS wimpy stock Miata on whatever tires I snagged off the take off pile... ;)
06-21-06, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by impulsive-rx7
Yeah, I apologize for being so lousy at keeping in touch. I will definitely make it to one of the meets in July. This new girlfriend thing is keeping me rather occupied. 
I figured. Free time?? What's that??
06-21-06, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by technonovice
Here is a little cat and mouse with that Porsche. He's really fast in NASCAR 1 & 2, but he loses so much ground on the infield I'm able to get a pass. I guess I'm too chicken because I kept it under 110 mph in the banking. If I had been focusing more on the track and less on him I'd have caught him faster. Next time he may be to tough to catch.
06-21-06, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by impulsive-rx7
Yeah, I apologize for being so lousy at keeping in touch. I will definitely make it to one of the meets in July. This new girlfriend thing is keeping me rather occupied.
Crazy...you just got one, I just lost one, haha.