Old guys with 12As club meeting
12-03-08, 12:04 AM
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Here's Crit indicating that he will kick in my rear bumper if I take one more picture
Chris said his heater isn't working and I get his point. I got reports on the internet that he had been seen in the Riverside area around 10 pm, so hopefully he made it home.
And congrats to Saxby Chamliss, he'll provide valued balance to the new senate. I wish I'd voted for him, I'd had a clean sweep.
Next meeting, Tuesday January 6, 2009 unless Crit and Billy decide otherwise.
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12-03-08, 09:47 AM
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Oh wow that is the last time I wear that shirt to a meet.
It was a pretty good turnout last night. I'm glad that I got Sabine there and back home without any problems other than an hour of traffic on the interstate due to a crushed accord. Sadly it was unlikely that anyone in that car was still alive as there was blood splattered all over the windshield as it appeared to me. Slow down, guys!
News for the month is that it has been discovered that the two Col(l)ins' are direct opposites of each other. Very amusing.
Today it's likely I'm pulling the injectors on Sabine so that I can prepare to send them off for repair. Once they're back, I may make one last ditch effort to avoid swapping the drivelines between cars by reinstalling them and going for a drive. It makes some sense to me that if the injectors are so horrible that they leak THAT badly...then they're obviously not flowing well enough to provide adequate fuel to make good power. Then again, the motor also churned out pretty sad compression numbers.
Chris, Sabine put on her sunday best for you and you forgot your camera! How dare the photographer!
Holly, I was loving the getup.
Tim, very intelligent purchase indeed. When gas prices go back up it'll be a lot like having your cake and eating it too.
Allen, beautiful GTU. It used to make me feel very sad because my red (now blue) FC was in such bad shape by comparison...but now that I have Sabine I feel a little bit better. Other than the paint, it's kind of like joining the club!
Andy, when do I get to drive your car? C'mon, just around the parking lot won't hurt!
Colin, start collecting the parts you need for the tranny swap. I can help on d-day.
Ray, I thought I had sent the PM but my connection timed out or some bullcrap I think. It didn't send, in short form. Tell Cathy I really enjoyed the coffee. I should look into seeing what Starbucks offers in similarity, but I don't think we do. Possibly Komodo Dragon but I doubt it.
To anyone not mentioned, I apologize...I was dead to the world last night. If I had stopped by Starbucks and gotten myself a triple venti straight eggnog latte with peppermint whip sprinkled with cinnamon and nutmeg....I would've been a bit more uppity and normal.
All in all, nice meet. Though I don't recommend anyone get the popcorn shrimp basket. It used to be good, but last night it was terrible. Chicken strips are where it's at...though Billy's Big Weiner was pretty impressive..
To quote the great Jeremous Clarksonian..."And on that bombshell, it's time to end!"
It was a pretty good turnout last night. I'm glad that I got Sabine there and back home without any problems other than an hour of traffic on the interstate due to a crushed accord. Sadly it was unlikely that anyone in that car was still alive as there was blood splattered all over the windshield as it appeared to me. Slow down, guys!
News for the month is that it has been discovered that the two Col(l)ins' are direct opposites of each other. Very amusing.
Today it's likely I'm pulling the injectors on Sabine so that I can prepare to send them off for repair. Once they're back, I may make one last ditch effort to avoid swapping the drivelines between cars by reinstalling them and going for a drive. It makes some sense to me that if the injectors are so horrible that they leak THAT badly...then they're obviously not flowing well enough to provide adequate fuel to make good power. Then again, the motor also churned out pretty sad compression numbers.
Chris, Sabine put on her sunday best for you and you forgot your camera! How dare the photographer!
Holly, I was loving the getup.
Tim, very intelligent purchase indeed. When gas prices go back up it'll be a lot like having your cake and eating it too.
Allen, beautiful GTU. It used to make me feel very sad because my red (now blue) FC was in such bad shape by comparison...but now that I have Sabine I feel a little bit better. Other than the paint, it's kind of like joining the club!
Andy, when do I get to drive your car? C'mon, just around the parking lot won't hurt!
Colin, start collecting the parts you need for the tranny swap. I can help on d-day.
Ray, I thought I had sent the PM but my connection timed out or some bullcrap I think. It didn't send, in short form. Tell Cathy I really enjoyed the coffee. I should look into seeing what Starbucks offers in similarity, but I don't think we do. Possibly Komodo Dragon but I doubt it.
To anyone not mentioned, I apologize...I was dead to the world last night. If I had stopped by Starbucks and gotten myself a triple venti straight eggnog latte with peppermint whip sprinkled with cinnamon and nutmeg....I would've been a bit more uppity and normal.
All in all, nice meet. Though I don't recommend anyone get the popcorn shrimp basket. It used to be good, but last night it was terrible. Chicken strips are where it's at...though Billy's Big Weiner was pretty impressive..
To quote the great Jeremous Clarksonian..."And on that bombshell, it's time to end!"
12-03-08, 09:47 AM
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YESSSSSS I need the molded hose coming off the heater core to the oil cooler. Then I can work on finding something that'll cap the bypass that I have on there right now (for whatever reason). Also, you can see the missing black rubber piece in this pic.
12-03-08, 12:03 PM
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Waffles - hmmm good
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Congratulations Billy. I didn't knw you guys ran a contest at your meets for those as well. I just thought Ray counted SA equivalents down there.
Looks like it was a fun meet. Maybe we can see you all up here soon for a meet? I need some OGTA cards delivered!
Looks like it was a fun meet. Maybe we can see you all up here soon for a meet? I need some OGTA cards delivered!
12-03-08, 06:54 PM
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12-03-08, 06:56 PM
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We missed you Zach.
Crit, Mike and you others guys still on rabbit ears need to watch this:
https://owa.mercer.edu/owa/attachmen...v%2bi&attcnt=1
I'm chasing down that progression circuit problem, here's the update on the Nikki:
Crit, Mike and you others guys still on rabbit ears need to watch this:
https://owa.mercer.edu/owa/attachmen...v%2bi&attcnt=1
I'm chasing down that progression circuit problem, here's the update on the Nikki:
12-03-08, 10:50 PM
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Great meeting guys. Here's my 12A count, Holly please check the math:
2 SAs = 3 12As
xFBs = x 12As (Holly, figure this out for me, OK?)
1SE = 1 12 A
3Fcs = 1.5 12As
Total 12As = 5.5 + the FBs
Not a bad turn out for December.
Here's some pics. I forgot to get photos of Tim's new lotus. In fact I didn't even see it on the way out. Tim you sure this lotus is real? Also we need an engine/head shot of Frank and the Silver SA, Hollywood stuff there. And Chris II's blonde on black. So you guys bring the same dates next time, OK?
2 SAs = 3 12As
xFBs = x 12As (Holly, figure this out for me, OK?)
1SE = 1 12 A
3Fcs = 1.5 12As
Total 12As = 5.5 + the FBs
Not a bad turn out for December.
Here's some pics. I forgot to get photos of Tim's new lotus. In fact I didn't even see it on the way out. Tim you sure this lotus is real? Also we need an engine/head shot of Frank and the Silver SA, Hollywood stuff there. And Chris II's blonde on black. So you guys bring the same dates next time, OK?
Thirteen people showed up, if I didn't miss anyone.
SAs Frank & Andy - 2 x1.5 = 3 12As
FBs - Billy, Ray, Chris & Mike 4 x1= 4 12As
SEs - Crit 1 x1= 1 12As
FCs - Collin, Colin & Alan 3 x.5= 1.5 12As
3 other cars - Holly, Kevin & Tim 0 12As
TOTAL 9.5 12A equivelents
Good to see everyone. I hope we don't freeze our asses off next time.
Collin - Congrats on the completion of Sabine's sex change. Now she has a stick.
12-03-08, 11:42 PM
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Here you go. http://www.mazdatrix.com/bhose1a.htm
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12-03-08, 11:55 PM
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Chris, if I recall correctly, you DON'T want the molded heater core return that runs to the stock beehive, but rather the SE and Pre-83 version that runs around the firewall and straight into the rear iron. Tell me if I'm wrong.... You might find one cheap on eBay, or can just order from the dealer. It won't be bargain-basement cheap, but **** man, you'll have HEAT.
Here you go. http://www.mazdatrix.com/bhose1a.htm
Here you go. http://www.mazdatrix.com/bhose1a.htm
12-04-08, 12:09 AM
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Well, the SEs and Pre-83s are front-mount coil cooler cars. The 12As have coolant passages in the housings that circulate coolant through the manifold to heat the carb and combat icing. The SE, however, doesn't care about icing and those coolant passages were never machined at the factory, but the SE does use coolant to set the high-idle on the stock throttle body. This is done by taking coolant straight from the backside of the waterpump, snaking it along the top of the runners, and in the bottom of the throttle body. It then comes out and drops straight down onto the usually-rusty pipe sticking up from the top of the rear iron. As I recall, we just plumbed the two together, so your motor just circulates a little coolant from the water pump to the rear iron all the time.
As far as the heater coolant circuit goes, you've got two outlets from the radiator. The big hose below the radiator goes to feed the water pump to be circulated to the motor where it'll work its way to the rear iron, turn around and come back through the block again. The little tee in the radiator outlet diverts some of the post-radiator coolant, runs it around the engine compartment, and dumps it through the firewall for the heater core. Now you have pressurized coolant that needs to be returned to the block...
On the beehive cars, the coolant exists the heater core and heads to the beehive before returning to the rear iron on its way back to the water pump. On front-mount cars, the heater core outlet just runs around to below the oil filter, where it goes straight into the coolant bung just above the coolant sender.
As I recall, you've got a piece of hard pipe running up your firewall with a tee at the top, but I don't know why. I think that one end of the tee should be capped so it can only go into the heater core. Maybe Mazda had a bleeder there for the sake of burping the system, as I recall a previous car of mine that had one installed there as aftermarket, but you shouldn't have to sweat it. By the way, you should be looking for a charcoal canister to fix your lung butter / autocross oilslick problem
Moving on - Ray, how's the carb coming? Did you pick yourself up a little paint-can dunk tank?
As far as the heater coolant circuit goes, you've got two outlets from the radiator. The big hose below the radiator goes to feed the water pump to be circulated to the motor where it'll work its way to the rear iron, turn around and come back through the block again. The little tee in the radiator outlet diverts some of the post-radiator coolant, runs it around the engine compartment, and dumps it through the firewall for the heater core. Now you have pressurized coolant that needs to be returned to the block...
On the beehive cars, the coolant exists the heater core and heads to the beehive before returning to the rear iron on its way back to the water pump. On front-mount cars, the heater core outlet just runs around to below the oil filter, where it goes straight into the coolant bung just above the coolant sender.
As I recall, you've got a piece of hard pipe running up your firewall with a tee at the top, but I don't know why. I think that one end of the tee should be capped so it can only go into the heater core. Maybe Mazda had a bleeder there for the sake of burping the system, as I recall a previous car of mine that had one installed there as aftermarket, but you shouldn't have to sweat it. By the way, you should be looking for a charcoal canister to fix your lung butter / autocross oilslick problem
Moving on - Ray, how's the carb coming? Did you pick yourself up a little paint-can dunk tank?
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12-04-08, 07:44 AM
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Better yet Crit, I found a professional parts cleaner out in the shed, a heavy walled polypropylene drum with flutes on the inside to create lots of agitation and a heavy metal loop handle so that you can rotate it back and forth like a washing machine. Here's a photo:
Holds about a gallon of fluid, so I need to pick up some carb cleaner on my way home this afternoon. Really neat. I'll soak those progression circuits for a day or two then find a way to get a probe into the little buggers - man they are tiny, too small for a pipe cleaner, I think. Any ideas?
Then I'll put the whole thing back together on Saturday and see if it works.
Chris I have all the stock water hoses for the 84-85 models, if that will help. Here's a photo of the 84-85 heater hoses:
The one on the left coming off the T is the molded one that enters the top of the beehive. The other side of that T runs up to the lower radiator hose. The one on the right runs over to the driver's side of the engine where it T's into both the lower end of the beehive and the rear iron casing.
I also have the rubber strip. I can bring what you need into Atlanta on Friday if that will help. I just cringe every time I think about you driving around with a frosted up windshield.
Thanks for the 12A counts Holly! I hope to see Tim's new Lotus last time, I guess that stealth paint job made it hard to see.
Holds about a gallon of fluid, so I need to pick up some carb cleaner on my way home this afternoon. Really neat. I'll soak those progression circuits for a day or two then find a way to get a probe into the little buggers - man they are tiny, too small for a pipe cleaner, I think. Any ideas?
Then I'll put the whole thing back together on Saturday and see if it works.
Chris I have all the stock water hoses for the 84-85 models, if that will help. Here's a photo of the 84-85 heater hoses:
The one on the left coming off the T is the molded one that enters the top of the beehive. The other side of that T runs up to the lower radiator hose. The one on the right runs over to the driver's side of the engine where it T's into both the lower end of the beehive and the rear iron casing.
I also have the rubber strip. I can bring what you need into Atlanta on Friday if that will help. I just cringe every time I think about you driving around with a frosted up windshield.
Thanks for the 12A counts Holly! I hope to see Tim's new Lotus last time, I guess that stealth paint job made it hard to see.
12-04-08, 07:56 AM
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Waffles - hmmm good
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Holds about a gallon of fluid, so I need to pick up some carb cleaner on my way home this afternoon. Really neat. I'll soak those progression circuits for a day or two then find a way to get a probe into the little buggers - man they are tiny, too small for a pipe cleaner, I think. Any ideas?
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Holds about a gallon of fluid, so I need to pick up some carb cleaner on my way home this afternoon. Really neat. I'll soak those progression circuits for a day or two then find a way to get a probe into the little buggers - man they are tiny, too small for a pipe cleaner, I think. Any ideas?
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12-04-08, 08:32 AM
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Excellent, Ray. I'm glad you said that. It didn't occur to me that the tee that Chris Rowe has is so that coolant goes straight to the beehive without having to go through the heater core. In that case, he'll need to find a hardline from an SE that doesn't have a tee, or just keep his plug.
For the progression holes, I've always used the thin, heavy wire from a hang tag, like mechanics used to use to mark engines with "no oil", "do not start" - that kind of stuff.
For the progression holes, I've always used the thin, heavy wire from a hang tag, like mechanics used to use to mark engines with "no oil", "do not start" - that kind of stuff.
12-04-08, 09:15 AM
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Baaa... I hate it when the experts disagree. Thanks for the warning Tim, if I stick anything in there I'll be real careful. But yeah soaking and compressed air should do it, my main concern is a dark brown deposit that's coating the orifices and running down from that slotted one in the middle, I imagine this is the cause of my progression problem. Hopefully the solvent will get it, if not I'll try Crit's nickel wire trick. Thanks guys.
12-04-08, 10:02 AM
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ok so I'll look around for an SE hardline. THEN get the molded hoses from there on out. So yeah now I just need the drivers front quarter rub strip and a charcoal canister.
12-04-08, 10:42 AM
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So I'm probably about 50 pages and several months behind on this stuff.
But I bought another FC yesterday to hold off my withdrawals I've been having. It did not run upon pickup, but after about 15 minutes of underhood tweaking, and 5-10 minutes of towing it down the road with a 4 runner it finally started. Couldn't let it run for long since no alternator = no belt = no waterpump, but planning on putting that on today after work and crossing fingers for a running 88 SE by tonight.
Anybody got some 4x114.3 wheels for sale? I haaaaaaate phone dials hahaha.
Shooting to be at the meet in Jan.
But I bought another FC yesterday to hold off my withdrawals I've been having. It did not run upon pickup, but after about 15 minutes of underhood tweaking, and 5-10 minutes of towing it down the road with a 4 runner it finally started. Couldn't let it run for long since no alternator = no belt = no waterpump, but planning on putting that on today after work and crossing fingers for a running 88 SE by tonight.
Anybody got some 4x114.3 wheels for sale? I haaaaaaate phone dials hahaha.
Shooting to be at the meet in Jan.