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Old 04-23-06 | 04:47 PM
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starting in the year 2200 which your grandkids will see, the average temperture [global] will rise between 3 and 9 degrees! the last time that happened, the greenland glaciers melted and there was global flooding.
I like the warm and I like the water - I don't mind this cocnept of global warming so much.
Old 04-24-06 | 02:52 PM
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I've just been doing some conversion calcultions. In The Netherlands we pay 1.56 euro per liter premium. That makes for a stunning 7.28 US Dollar per Gallon. OOPS.
About 75% of that is TAX.
I spend 4 months in the US back in 2000 and every time we went for gas I laughed my *** off.
I still love to drive my vert T2, going to the track today.
SIDETRACK...

Do you know what the original performance and weight figures were for a eurospec T2 Vert? They were never offered in the US.

0-60?
1/4 Mile?
Weight?
Old 04-24-06 | 02:53 PM
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^^ I think that what rotarycrazy is saying is that the gov't should step in and put a price ceiling on gas prices and therefore force the companies to charge a fair price. Unfortunately, price ceilings are usually not good economic practices - I think, but its been awhile since my last economics class. So, if someone more familiar with that type of thing would care to expound on this a bit, it would be appreciated.

So, to answer the question, as far as I know, the gov't is not directly involved in determining what the price of gas will be. However, some feel that it would be a good idea for the gov't to step in and squash this ridiculous BS pricing.
It isn't rediculous BS pricing. It is the current market value for gasoline. Price caps always increase the price of a product as they set an unrealistic value on it's price.

Imagine this: The gov't says, "People can't afford this! We, the Federal Government, now set the price of gasoline at $1.50 a gallon. Any producers who want to sell gas in the US must do so at this price..." What do you think would happen? You think the oil companies, refineries, etc, are going to produce and sell gas when it incurs a loss for them? No, if they can't sell gas for AT LEAST what it costs to supply the DEMAND, then they simply won't sell.

So, price controls create an lower price without lessening demand. This means more of a product will be sold, potentially at a loss to the supplier. Suppliers can't absorb mandated losses indefinitely, and will eventually stop supplying (by choice or necessity). Therefore, price controls hurt the consumer.

Besides, if they implemented price controls now the gas companies would just keep the prices higher in the long run to make up for the losses they would incur now.
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SIDETRACK...

Do you know what the original performance and weight figures were for a eurospec T2 Vert? They were never offered in the US.

0-60?
1/4 Mile?
Weight?
0-60 (0-100 km/hr)= 6.7 sec
Topspeed= 240km/hr (about 149 mls/hr)
Mazda gives the same times for coupe and convertible although the vert is 50 kg (about 110 Lbs) havier.
I did do 220 km/hr with the top down, ah nice wind in my hair watching for the cops (speed limit 120 km/hr).
I'll try topspeed when I'm in Germany (no speed limits on the autobahn) with the top closed.
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i just read a magazine my firend showed me and it said something about the new rx8 hydro or something like that.. saying it runs on some sort of water base and gas... no lie... ill see if i can borrow the magazine and scan it
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Imagine this: The gov't says, "People can't afford this! We, the Federal Government, now set the price of gasoline at $1.50 a gallon

Besides, if they implemented price controls now the gas companies would just keep the prices higher in the long run to make up for the losses they would incur now



I like the hydro car info. oh yeah in re. to this thread, "everytime I try to get out, they pull me back in" Really, do you think the gov't would set a price cap of 1.50? who is dellusional here? at least give the forum some respect for intellegience. that is probably the only legal recourse there could be. The cap would still be enough to line everyone's pockets and be set at the highest tolerable limit to the public, which is what they are seemingly trying to find.
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Imagine this: The gov't says, "People can't afford this! We, the Federal Government, now set the price of gasoline at $1.50 a gallon

Besides, if they implemented price controls now the gas companies would just keep the prices higher in the long run to make up for the losses they would incur now



I like the hydro car info. oh yeah in re. to this thread, "everytime I try to get out, they pull me back in" Really, do you think the gov't would set a price cap of 1.50? who is dellusional here? at least give the forum some respect for intellegience. that is probably the only legal recourse there could be. The cap would still be enough to line everyone's pockets and be set at the highest tolerable limit to the public, which is what they are seemingly trying to find.

Yeah and even though it gets to 6.50 by some fat chance, people will STILL buy gas. Driving is a mandatory action people live and go by for their everyday routine. You cant just say thats fine, i wont drive, gas is too much, they will still drive. I know they wont shoot from 3 bucks to 6 but like you said, they are testing everyone's patience slowly at a time and its working for them. We're supposed to get up to 5 bucks a gallon by this summer and people are still buying cars lol.

They got us in corporate choke. And racking up the cake in their bank accounts.
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Old 04-25-06 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by robrxray

I like the hydro car info. oh yeah in re. to this thread, "everytime I try to get out, they pull me back in" Really, do you think the gov't would set a price cap of 1.50? who is dellusional here? at least give the forum some respect for intellegience. that is probably the only legal recourse there could be. The cap would still be enough to line everyone's pockets and be set at the highest tolerable limit to the public, which is what they are seemingly trying to find.
Gas could be had for $1.50 a gallon in 2004. Why does something from barely two years ago insult the intelligence of the forum?

Besides, what you said does nothing to discount the fact that ultimately price controls hurt, not help, the consumer.
Old 04-25-06 | 08:16 AM
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really, stick that **** up your obvious biased ***. anyone with half a brain understands,what gov't control would do, stabilize the rapists you ******* no nothing. even bush, your ******* anti-christ good ole boy is pretending to ask for investigation of corruption. are you working or just being paid to play on internet? but we know deliverance the movie was filmed in georgia. ding ding ding ding ding ding, esad
Old 04-25-06 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Ehron
It isn't rediculous BS pricing. It is the current market value for gasoline. Price caps always increase the price of a product as they set an unrealistic value on it's price.

Imagine this: The gov't says, "People can't afford this! We, the Federal Government, now set the price of gasoline at $1.50 a gallon. Any producers who want to sell gas in the US must do so at this price..." What do you think would happen? You think the oil companies, refineries, etc, are going to produce and sell gas when it incurs a loss for them? No, if they can't sell gas for AT LEAST what it costs to supply the DEMAND, then they simply won't sell.

So, price controls create an lower price without lessening demand. This means more of a product will be sold, potentially at a loss to the supplier. Suppliers can't absorb mandated losses indefinitely, and will eventually stop supplying (by choice or necessity). Therefore, price controls hurt the consumer.

Besides, if they implemented price controls now the gas companies would just keep the prices higher in the long run to make up for the losses they would incur now.
Thanks! That was exactly what I was looking for!

I don't think that anyone here realistically expects them to sell gas at $1.50 / gallon (per your example) if it would cause the company to lose money. I think everyone here understands the role supply/demand plays in prices. Also, everyone understands that the companies are in business for one reason, and one reason only. Anyone care to guess what that is? Yep, you guessed it! They are in business to make money! Imagine that! Whodathunkit?!?

I think the problem most people have is, that there are very few reasonable alternatives. We MUST have gas. Sure, there is public/mass transportation, but thats usually limited to larger cities/metro areas. That kind of infrastructure is simply not available to people living outside of the metro areas. Pretty much the only resort is car-pooling whenever possible. It's not like at the grocery store where if you don't like what the price of milk is per gallon you can choose not to buy it. You could get your calcium through supplements or cheeses. That's why it is so difficult for most people. They simply MUST continue driving. They can't just decide that they don't like the price of gas per gallon, not buy it, and instead use alternative X.

Like I said, I don't think anyone is upset that the companies are making profits, but mostly the fact that they are doing it at such a staggering rate (ie - record profits) all the while knowing that most of us don't have a reasonable alternative that would help ease the pinch on our wallets.

Just my $0.02
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Im not sure if this has been posted yet, but check out this article by the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights:

http://www.ethanol.org/documents/WhyThreeDollarGas.pdf

According to the EIA, the spot market price of crude was $63.38 per barrel or $1.51 per gallon on
January 6, 2006. The spot price increased by 12 cents per gallon by gradually climbing to $68.62 or $1.63
cents per gallon on April 12, 2006.
If the pump price of gasoline in California climbed in direct correlation with the increase in crude
costs, the differential between crude costs and pump prices would remain relatively unchanged. In 2006,
the differential rose from 70 cents per gallon in the first week of January to $1.18 cents per gallon on April
12th (Figure 1). Pump prices climbed 48 cents per gallon more than the most generous estimate of the
increased price of crude oil for refiners.
actual crude oil prices have only risen $.12 cents since January 06, vs the $.60 increase we have been seeing at the pump
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Yeah, economists say that the current problem is distribution; not the merely the cost of oil. Production still hasn't recovered from Katrina, and we were already nearing the edge of domestic distribution capacity.

If the gov't wants to lower the price of gas they should suspend the federal tax you pay for ever gallon of gas as well as ease taxes, and regulations on the domestic distributors of gasoline.

robrxray, I don't think your response merits any kind of retort. Well thought out angry man. ;-)
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when was the last time gov't stop taxing or lowered ridiculouslly taxes on anything?, distribution? they manage to get all the oil to iraq for war, right? Katrina, look back a few posts and see who agrees with production bs rhetoric you idiot. no retort, good less responses from me, if i kill one republican ideals i would be happy. I guess that big oil reserve they have been dumping in isn't available to general public no matter what. Deliverance dis hurt, crackerboy. angry, hell yes that is a gift. At least I have ***** to say it to yours or anyones face what the truth is and not some doublespeak brainwashed bs. let's take a vote who is upset with gas situation, majority of consumers or rich, profit bottom line ******* minority. There are more educated people than me yes, but that doesn't stop me from disagreeing in earnest with anyone. see how many disagreements you get in when your in NYC or any other big city, you learn fast to choose wisely.
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when was the last time gov't stop taxing or lowered ridiculouslly taxes on anything?, distribution? they manage to get all the oil to iraq for war, right? Katrina, look back a few posts and see who agrees with production bs rhetoric you idiot. no retort, good less responses from me, if i kill one republican ideals i would be happy. I guess that big oil reserve they have been dumping in isn't available to general public no matter what. Deliverance dis hurt, crackerboy. angry, hell yes that is a gift. At least I have ***** to say it to yours or anyones face what the truth is and not some doublespeak brainwashed bs. let's take a vote who is upset with gas situation, majority of consumers or rich, profit bottom line ******* minority. There are more educated people than me yes, but that doesn't stop me from disagreeing in earnest with anyone. see how many disagreements you get in when your in NYC or any other big city, you learn fast to choose wisely.
First, you haven't said anything to anyone's face (unless you have someone's picture attached to your monitor). Second, you haven't "killed" anyone's ideals. You have yet to string together anything of recognizable relevancy to the conversation at hand. However, you do seem to enjoy all the insults and profanity so hey, I guess you are enjoying yourself, and I don't want to dampen anyone's mood with rational debate. So you just keep on tossing insults. You are really making your point.

Besides, I don't know why anyone drags political parties into this. Neither of the parties has any plans to address the issue. They are both far more interested in paying the appropriate amount of lip service to the issue to assure themselves reelection. Well, those who even have a chance of losing there incumbancy that is...
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i make $250 a week and i pay $45 every two days for gas and i end up with $115 for the week of the hell can i make a living out of this . its either win the lotto, being a drug lord, or being ceo for walmart
what the **** are you talking bout bill LOL all you do is eat, sleep , jerk it and sumtimes you shower LOl you dont have any responsbilitiies besides your car LOl now get dressed paulie is taking us out to dinner LOl
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its 3.15 for premium 93 here in orlando at 7-11
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It's 3.02 here for premium. I had to change my mind about getting another 7 due to gas prices ... I think Imma save for a motorcycle. Anybody here use that as an alternate way of transportation?
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welcome to 2006, the 6th year of oil company approved presidency, the oil companies as a whole last year made 700% profit. so stick your heads up your *** and kiss because you like to vote for good ol boy bush. I say Dick[cheney]sucks,**** bush. Oh yeah, we had no federal deficit pre- bush and actually had close to a quarter trillion $ surplus. what do we have now? multi- trillion dollar deficit? the dollar is a joke, go overseas and they laugh at your *** at the exchange bank. who owns halle-burton construction who is the biggest contractor in Iraq, Bush-Cheney have fun. Peace, Rob ps, it is sad when my v-8 pickup is my economy car instead of the 7.




Amen to that....

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Thanks for the propaganda. Sadly, you aren't very factually sound.

That being said gas prices do make me cringe. Especially when I remember how big the seven's tank is.



way to negate his facts with a sound argument... not.

and yes...this is getting out of hand. and yes, we know why, some just fail to admit it to themselves.

thanx integral, just trying to raise awareness. let's see what else is rational or relevant or another r word in 10$ dictionary... oh yeah, the actual price increase of a barrel of oil from 1/06 to present day was 00.12$[12 cents]. what they claim is what 20-40$ dollars more now per barrel. i know somebody can post what the actual truth is close to what i'm stating.
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a great plan to reduce soaring gas prices

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my apologies if this has already been posted.

A retired Coca Cola executive originally sent this. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your consideration.

Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea.

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace.... not sellers.

With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from th e two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people.

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more
(300 x 10 =3D 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the si xth gr oup of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it...

THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
&n bsp;
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you?

Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.

THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
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Imagine this: The gov't says, "People can't afford this! We, the Federal Government, now set the price of gasoline at $1.50 a gallon

Besides, if they implemented price controls now the gas companies would just keep the prices higher in the long run to make up for the losses they would incur now



I like the hydro car info. oh yeah in re. to this thread, "everytime I try to get out, they pull me back in" Really, do you think the gov't would set a price cap of 1.50? who is dellusional here? at least give the forum some respect for intellegience. that is probably the only legal recourse there could be. The cap would still be enough to line everyone's pockets and be set at the highest tolerable limit to the public, which is what they are seemingly trying to find.




Yeah and even though it gets to 6.50 by some fat chance, people will STILL buy gas. Driving is a mandatory action people live and go by for their everyday routine. You cant just say thats fine, i wont drive, gas is too much, they will still drive. I know they wont shoot from 3 bucks to 6 but like you said, they are testing everyone's patience slowly at a time and its working for them. We're supposed to get up to 5 bucks a gallon by this summer and people are still buying cars lol.

They got us in corporate choke. And racking up the cake in their bank accounts.
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In southeastern PA, the cheapest I've found is $3.00/gallon for regular, other places it's $3.19/gallon for regular. I have no idea what premium is cause I never buy it. Probably anywhere form $3.20 - $3.40/ gallon

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