3rd Miami RX7 Meet - Sunday, June 12th in Key Biscayne
#27
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Luis ... You got a beef with me ?
Originally Posted by TwEaK
careful hes the organizer! must let everyone know hes the organizer =/
TwEaK
TwEaK
I am not sure I understand why you continue to make certain comments regarding me on this forum. The forum was established for people who love RX7's.
If you have any issues and feel you need to discuss them with me, it needs to be addressed in person and not on this forum. I am the organizer of the events just as I have been from the very first one that we had this year which you, your brother and dad attended.
All of the events that are being organized locally I am in the forefront of it all with some help of fellow forum of which you know personally. So at this time I will ask you to refrain from making any ill remarks concerning my position. I extended an invitation to Ronin because I am entitled as organizer less your comments that were redundant and not warranted.
I refuse to entertain any of your comments made on here. So apply yourself accordingly.
Val
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if you love Rx7's so much then why talk **** about them??? like you did in the other topic??? ill refrain myself how i want same way all you did was talk **** to everyone about me when i was working on the cars for you??? please spare me the drama.... Same way you were talking **** about the car legislation just like i said in the other topic keep your dumb comments to yourself..
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I only stated the facts regarding the FC
Originally Posted by TwEaK
if you love Rx7's so much then why talk **** about them??? like you did in the other topic??? ill refrain myself how i want same way all you did was talk **** to everyone about me when i was working on the cars for you??? please spare me the drama.... Same way you were talking **** about the car legislation just like i said in the other topic keep your dumb comments to yourself..
TwEaK
TwEaK
If you had taken the time to do the research on what i wrote in another topic as you said then you would see that what I said was not just gospel but actually had some coroborating evidence to support the comments that were made. That which I wrote was taken from an excerpt of a well known German Master Mechaninc that builds 4 Rotor motors... he is much older than you and has gone to school to learn all this and also has applied himself to the area of Research and Development.
Here is an excerpt of what Brunen the German Master Mechanic wrote:
"It's a small percentage of people who like to leave cars bone stock because they are
PERFECT. The FC is nice but FAR from perfect. It was actually built in the wrong direction from the 1st gen which was lighter and racer type. It did get some improvemnets like independent suspension and a bigger wheelbase but it also got heavier. Mostly it was aimed at the college boy market.
It just BARELY had all the aluminum parts on it. They were done just at the last minute so iit could be marketed in the US otherwise it would have been a leadslead...
The third gen is much closer to perfect but even it has issues."
Luis, The following is to address the other topic of the guy that you feel I fear by not answering as this was also written by Brunen "The 4 Rotor Builder"
" This is the kind of guy (Referring to the guy who you so eloquently feel that I fear) that never loses an argument (in his head) so you cant tell him anything. You go right on showing off all the mods to your car and tell him to smoke a turd. Better yet, just dont talk to him. Extend the nose ?...please Cut into the Firewall ? C'mon what is this guy thinking. I have done so many of these 4 Rotor motors that I know how to make it fit without having to do all those crazy extensions that this guy thinks need to happen.. What he needs is to get involved and be better informed befor he makes some wild accusations.
I cannot give away all my secrets... It took years of careful planning to make this be as flawless as I have made it .. so here is a hint as to what I do to make a 4 Rotor fit without having to extend the nose. Some of you on this forum that are actually mechanics or Researchers like Val's friend Carlos can surely attest to this fact. I will only provide three of the mods that I perform for the fitment process of a 4 Rotor the rest remains with me..
Its Kind of like asking Colonel Sanders (resting in peace) to divulge his secret recipe of 11 Herbs and Spices.
First mod... removing the stock fan clutch and going with a Black Magic 150 which will eliminate a good 10 or so inches. Second, doing away with the stock water pump and using an alternate stand alone electronic water injections system or external pump. Third, removing the Oil sump and using an alternate unit to provide the oil process. I will not reveal the other mods but there are a couple more.. All in all about 22 inches will be removed and actually a little more and the fitment is just right.. Can you visualize this ?
Need I mention more ?
Brunen
Luis, as far as the legislation ... well.. I dont think that it would be right for anyone to take something that we own and possess. Now, I am not a fan or illegal racing done on public streets and I firmly believe that there should be a proper venue for this sort of racing.
I happen to live on an Avenue in Kendall that many people take to racing.. why ? Its open and there are only homes on the west side of the avenue. Do I agree with racing in my hood ? No , of course not. I have nephews that visit and ride their bikes around here... it becomes dangerous for them.. You have to see the overall picture... and why the state is trying to deter racing... its not about the logistics of it but rather of the possible harm it can cause to others. God placed order and government over the Earth and all who would live on it and the same goes for the local government that has its laws... so why should people be allowed to violate norms.. in essence that is breaking the law and if the law is broken then there is a price to pay. Simply that ... You cannot justify yourself by saying that if you are an American citizen and you pay taxes that under the constitution you should have the freedom to do as you please. The constitution in some ways is a Law in itself. And we should govern ourselves accordingly. I have not had a traffic or moving violation since 1987 and I have not had one accident in all the time that i have been living in Miami since 1985. Why is that Luis ?
In summary, I wouldn't want for someone that i know in this club of RX7's to lose their car by confiscation. But you have to ask yourself... What did that person do in order to effect the taking of his or her vehicle ? Did that person violate a norm by breaking the law ?
It's like failing in school ... Do you blame the teachers for failing you ? or is it fair to say that you failed yourself because you didnt apply yourself as you should have ?
We can't blame our teachers... we can only blame ourselves... we were in control whether we wanted to pass the class or not... the same rule applies to life... we are still in school Luis... The School of Life.
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lol please man spare me the bullshit =/ phil knows and im shure Oscar knows that the theres some things that the 2nd gen is better than the 3rd gen and theres some things that the 3rd gen is better than the 2nd gen to me there both a littl equal yea shure the 3rd gen looks great dont get me wrong i love it but wouldnt take it over my 2nd gen but performance whys 3rd gen has just a little over than a stock S5 TurboII so by just adding exhaust and intake your right there with that 3rd gen everything else is nearly the same... thats from my view of course i raced other 2nd gens and beaten em so.... again thats my point of view i see things differently... LIKE ive said for 20th time dont you think what i do with my life is my fucken problem??? if i wanna sit at an internet cafe playing video games a day i dont have work i think thats fine with that same **** you take off work to go to your moms house and sit on the computer... except what i stay at the internet cafe a little longer than what you are on your computer??? Again how i spend my money is my problem and about my head being in lala land lol many other rx7 owners including myself think yours is way farther than mine =/
TwEaK
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#33
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leave the beef in the fridge & the drama on TV. A tweak you going to Nopi?
BTW i got my T66 from the mail & its a huge turbo! alex is getting me the DP, WG, mainfold!
thats bull. all the NA's are more reliable than the turboII or FD
BTW i got my T66 from the mail & its a huge turbo! alex is getting me the DP, WG, mainfold!
Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
the 3rd Gen was the most reliable of all RX7's.
thats bull. all the NA's are more reliable than the turboII or FD
Last edited by darkphantom; 05-25-05 at 05:15 PM.
#34
Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
Yes, I do love my RX7 Vert...even with all its problems.. why ? It was not a perfect car to begin with.. If you knew anything concrete about the history of the RX7 then you would know that the 2nd Gen RX7 had its flaws. Why do you think that most people including Phil drive a 3rd Gen ? or Oscar who you rode up to Markham Park in his 3rd Gen... the 3rd Gen was the most reliable of all RX7's. You are a bit young and naive and not very well informed.. You could be but like an ostrich whose head is buried in the ground yours in buried in La La Land without responsibility plugged into hours of video game playing at E2 Cafe when you could be doing something more productive like going to school and perhaps learning more on research and development of the Rotary Genre. Reminds me of a visit that I had with Carlos Lopez of CLR... I was quite impressed with the knowledge that this man possesses.. My area of expertise is not rotaries but rather Aircraft engines so when he discussed with the ins and outs of the rotary motor and its evolution in todays applications I was taken back a bit when I was a student of Aircraft engines. Carlos literally learned all there was to learn about the rotary engine... Its schooling Luis...
If you had taken the time to do the research on what i wrote in another topic as you said then you would see that what I said was not just gospel but actually had some coroborating evidence to support the comments that were made. That which I wrote was taken from an excerpt of a well known German Master Mechaninc that builds 4 Rotor motors... he is much older than you and has gone to school to learn all this and also has applied himself to the area of Research and Development.
Here is an excerpt of what Brunen the German Master Mechanic wrote:
"It's a small percentage of people who like to leave cars bone stock because they are
PERFECT. The FC is nice but FAR from perfect. It was actually built in the wrong direction from the 1st gen which was lighter and racer type. It did get some improvemnets like independent suspension and a bigger wheelbase but it also got heavier. Mostly it was aimed at the college boy market.
It just BARELY had all the aluminum parts on it. They were done just at the last minute so iit could be marketed in the US otherwise it would have been a leadslead...
The third gen is much closer to perfect but even it has issues."
Luis, The following is to address the other topic of the guy that you feel I fear by not answering as this was also written by Brunen "The 4 Rotor Builder"
" This is the kind of guy (Referring to the guy who you so eloquently feel that I fear) that never loses an argument (in his head) so you cant tell him anything. You go right on showing off all the mods to your car and tell him to smoke a turd. Better yet, just dont talk to him. Extend the nose ?...please Cut into the Firewall ? C'mon what is this guy thinking. I have done so many of these 4 Rotor motors that I know how to make it fit without having to do all those crazy extensions that this guy thinks need to happen.. What he needs is to get involved and be better informed befor he makes some wild accusations.
I cannot give away all my secrets... It took years of careful planning to make this be as flawless as I have made it .. so here is a hint as to what I do to make a 4 Rotor fit without having to extend the nose. Some of you on this forum that are actually mechanics or Researchers like Val's friend Carlos can surely attest to this fact. I will only provide three of the mods that I perform for the fitment process of a 4 Rotor the rest remains with me..
Its Kind of like asking Colonel Sanders (resting in peace) to divulge his secret recipe of 11 Herbs and Spices.
First mod... removing the stock fan clutch and going with a Black Magic 150 which will eliminate a good 10 or so inches. Second, doing away with the stock water pump and using an alternate stand alone electronic water injections system or external pump. Third, removing the Oil sump and using an alternate unit to provide the oil process. I will not reveal the other mods but there are a couple more.. All in all about 22 inches will be removed and actually a little more and the fitment is just right.. Can you visualize this ?
Need I mention more ?
Brunen
Luis, as far as the legislation ... well.. I dont think that it would be right for anyone to take something that we own and possess. Now, I am not a fan or illegal racing done on public streets and I firmly believe that there should be a proper venue for this sort of racing.
I happen to live on an Avenue in Kendall that many people take to racing.. why ? Its open and there are only homes on the west side of the avenue. Do I agree with racing in my hood ? No , of course not. I have nephews that visit and ride their bikes around here... it becomes dangerous for them.. You have to see the overall picture... and why the state is trying to deter racing... its not about the logistics of it but rather of the possible harm it can cause to others. God placed order and government over the Earth and all who would live on it and the same goes for the local government that has its laws... so why should people be allowed to violate norms.. in essence that is breaking the law and if the law is broken then there is a price to pay. Simply that ... You cannot justify yourself by saying that if you are an American citizen and you pay taxes that under the constitution you should have the freedom to do as you please. The constitution in some ways is a Law in itself. And we should govern ourselves accordingly. I have not had a traffic or moving violation since 1987 and I have not had one accident in all the time that i have been living in Miami since 1985. Why is that Luis ?
In summary, I wouldn't want for someone that i know in this club of RX7's to lose their car by confiscation. But you have to ask yourself... What did that person do in order to effect the taking of his or her vehicle ? Did that person violate a norm by breaking the law ?
It's like failing in school ... Do you blame the teachers for failing you ? or is it fair to say that you failed yourself because you didnt apply yourself as you should have ?
We can't blame our teachers... we can only blame ourselves... we were in control whether we wanted to pass the class or not... the same rule applies to life... we are still in school Luis... The School of Life.
If you had taken the time to do the research on what i wrote in another topic as you said then you would see that what I said was not just gospel but actually had some coroborating evidence to support the comments that were made. That which I wrote was taken from an excerpt of a well known German Master Mechaninc that builds 4 Rotor motors... he is much older than you and has gone to school to learn all this and also has applied himself to the area of Research and Development.
Here is an excerpt of what Brunen the German Master Mechanic wrote:
"It's a small percentage of people who like to leave cars bone stock because they are
PERFECT. The FC is nice but FAR from perfect. It was actually built in the wrong direction from the 1st gen which was lighter and racer type. It did get some improvemnets like independent suspension and a bigger wheelbase but it also got heavier. Mostly it was aimed at the college boy market.
It just BARELY had all the aluminum parts on it. They were done just at the last minute so iit could be marketed in the US otherwise it would have been a leadslead...
The third gen is much closer to perfect but even it has issues."
Luis, The following is to address the other topic of the guy that you feel I fear by not answering as this was also written by Brunen "The 4 Rotor Builder"
" This is the kind of guy (Referring to the guy who you so eloquently feel that I fear) that never loses an argument (in his head) so you cant tell him anything. You go right on showing off all the mods to your car and tell him to smoke a turd. Better yet, just dont talk to him. Extend the nose ?...please Cut into the Firewall ? C'mon what is this guy thinking. I have done so many of these 4 Rotor motors that I know how to make it fit without having to do all those crazy extensions that this guy thinks need to happen.. What he needs is to get involved and be better informed befor he makes some wild accusations.
I cannot give away all my secrets... It took years of careful planning to make this be as flawless as I have made it .. so here is a hint as to what I do to make a 4 Rotor fit without having to extend the nose. Some of you on this forum that are actually mechanics or Researchers like Val's friend Carlos can surely attest to this fact. I will only provide three of the mods that I perform for the fitment process of a 4 Rotor the rest remains with me..
Its Kind of like asking Colonel Sanders (resting in peace) to divulge his secret recipe of 11 Herbs and Spices.
First mod... removing the stock fan clutch and going with a Black Magic 150 which will eliminate a good 10 or so inches. Second, doing away with the stock water pump and using an alternate stand alone electronic water injections system or external pump. Third, removing the Oil sump and using an alternate unit to provide the oil process. I will not reveal the other mods but there are a couple more.. All in all about 22 inches will be removed and actually a little more and the fitment is just right.. Can you visualize this ?
Need I mention more ?
Brunen
Luis, as far as the legislation ... well.. I dont think that it would be right for anyone to take something that we own and possess. Now, I am not a fan or illegal racing done on public streets and I firmly believe that there should be a proper venue for this sort of racing.
I happen to live on an Avenue in Kendall that many people take to racing.. why ? Its open and there are only homes on the west side of the avenue. Do I agree with racing in my hood ? No , of course not. I have nephews that visit and ride their bikes around here... it becomes dangerous for them.. You have to see the overall picture... and why the state is trying to deter racing... its not about the logistics of it but rather of the possible harm it can cause to others. God placed order and government over the Earth and all who would live on it and the same goes for the local government that has its laws... so why should people be allowed to violate norms.. in essence that is breaking the law and if the law is broken then there is a price to pay. Simply that ... You cannot justify yourself by saying that if you are an American citizen and you pay taxes that under the constitution you should have the freedom to do as you please. The constitution in some ways is a Law in itself. And we should govern ourselves accordingly. I have not had a traffic or moving violation since 1987 and I have not had one accident in all the time that i have been living in Miami since 1985. Why is that Luis ?
In summary, I wouldn't want for someone that i know in this club of RX7's to lose their car by confiscation. But you have to ask yourself... What did that person do in order to effect the taking of his or her vehicle ? Did that person violate a norm by breaking the law ?
It's like failing in school ... Do you blame the teachers for failing you ? or is it fair to say that you failed yourself because you didnt apply yourself as you should have ?
We can't blame our teachers... we can only blame ourselves... we were in control whether we wanted to pass the class or not... the same rule applies to life... we are still in school Luis... The School of Life.
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talks about me not knowing.... darkphantom i have my reasons of disliking him if you knew understood you would know were im coming from... and good luck on your turbo setup call me up and let me know you got my number....
TwEaK
TwEaK
#36
I think I am going to leave this one alone. Lord and everyone else who has been on this forum for more than a year knows that I've gotten caught up in enough drama to last me the rest of my life.
#37
Originally Posted by RoninAutoBoX
I think I am going to leave this one alone. Lord and everyone else who has been on this forum for more than a year knows that I've gotten caught up in enough drama to last me the rest of my life.
#40
Hey guys - let's leave this thread on topic. - It's all about Rotorheads getting together for a good time. No personal issues should prevent anybody from showing up and having fun.
Even if you guys don't get along - "Somebody" has to do some organization of a time & place, to make sure we all show up and have some food and drink there. It doensn't mean anybody has a higher rank, etc.
It just has to do with wanting to get it done. "Nobody" has to like the organizer of the event, or what ideas he may have planned for his personal car - but that has nothing to do with the event itself. Hell, half of us don't agree on the venue, or the time, or what generation Rx-7 is best (1st gen thank you ) but we still have a good time together.
I had a nice time at the last one, and I didn't even have my RX-7 there. That alone speaks volumes.
Keep it friendly - or move it to PM's.
Even if you guys don't get along - "Somebody" has to do some organization of a time & place, to make sure we all show up and have some food and drink there. It doensn't mean anybody has a higher rank, etc.
It just has to do with wanting to get it done. "Nobody" has to like the organizer of the event, or what ideas he may have planned for his personal car - but that has nothing to do with the event itself. Hell, half of us don't agree on the venue, or the time, or what generation Rx-7 is best (1st gen thank you ) but we still have a good time together.
I had a nice time at the last one, and I didn't even have my RX-7 there. That alone speaks volumes.
Keep it friendly - or move it to PM's.
#41
Originally Posted by Directfreak
Hey guys - let's leave this thread on topic. - It's all about Rotorheads getting together for a good time. No personal issues should prevent anybody from showing up and having fun.
Even if you guys don't get along - "Somebody" has to do some organization of a time & place, to make sure we all show up and have some food and drink there. It doensn't mean anybody has a higher rank, etc.
It just has to do with wanting to get it done. "Nobody" has to like the organizer of the event, or what ideas he may have planned for his personal car - but that has nothing to do with the event itself. Hell, half of us don't agree on the venue, or the time, or what generation Rx-7 is best (1st gen thank you ) but we still have a good time together.
I had a nice time at the last one, and I didn't even have my RX-7 there. That alone speaks volumes.
Keep it friendly - or move it to PM's.
Even if you guys don't get along - "Somebody" has to do some organization of a time & place, to make sure we all show up and have some food and drink there. It doensn't mean anybody has a higher rank, etc.
It just has to do with wanting to get it done. "Nobody" has to like the organizer of the event, or what ideas he may have planned for his personal car - but that has nothing to do with the event itself. Hell, half of us don't agree on the venue, or the time, or what generation Rx-7 is best (1st gen thank you ) but we still have a good time together.
I had a nice time at the last one, and I didn't even have my RX-7 there. That alone speaks volumes.
Keep it friendly - or move it to PM's.
Seriouslly stay on Topic guys, remember its all about having fun.
#42
Yeah, I am trying to get my car together too. I just moved, and over time, I haven't given nearly as much attention to my Dodge, as I have my Lincoln or my Plymouth. I hope I get everything together by then.
#43
Hello HELLO!!! Whats Up GUys!! I know some of you know me and Some of you don't! My name is Ralf, the "Originator of Meets and Events a long time ago! in South Florida! I Held a Key Biscayne meet about a year ago or more! It turned out Great! Wow! I didn't know the Key Biscayne thing was still being done! Wow! Its kool to see this happeneing! I don't Have an RX7 vehicle anymore but im still a RotorHead! I will stop by and say whats up! This is Nice! You guys mind if i bring some of my Accord Wagon Buddies! Maybe 1 of 2! But this is Nice! Hope to see some old Faces there! Take Care Guys and Keep the Traditions Going with the Meets!
Last edited by Rexmanwolf; 05-28-05 at 10:25 AM.
#45
Oh and I think HONDA"S RULE!!!!!!!! All the Beef about RX7 FD's and FC's !! Honda's Were Built Flawless!! Their Perfect! Wait till you guys see my accord! I call it the ROTOR EATER!! LOL LMAO HA HA HA! Im SOrry Guys! He he he! Just Messin!! See you guys there! Just THought I **** on the Fire!!
#46
Seriously, since I purchased my RX-7 way back, there are only 2 people I know of who have truly and consistently done anything to organize cool meets since the beginning, and Ralf is one of those people. Don't know where we would have been without him.
#47
Originally Posted by RoninAutoBoX
I know of who have truly and consistently done anything to organize cool meets since the beginning, and Ralf is one of those people. Don't know where we would have been without him.
Val is doing a pretty damn good job also to him
#48
I blew my turboII's motor, so i guess ill be headed out there in ym 1st gen bone stock. Wonder if my bro will have his tII running by then..he blew the radiator. Anyone know someone selling a koyo or fluidyne radiator locally?
#49
Man, just buy a cross-flow radiator from Summit, or a speed shop, and fab the sucker in. Fanrication if your friend, and any Turbo rotary would benefit greatly from a V8 capacity cooling system.
#50
Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
Yes, I do love my RX7 Vert...even with all its problems.. why ? It was not a perfect car to begin with.. If you knew anything concrete about the history of the RX7 then you would know that the 2nd Gen RX7 had its flaws. Why do you think that most people including Phil drive a 3rd Gen ? or Oscar who you rode up to Markham Park in his 3rd Gen... the 3rd Gen was the most reliable of all RX7's. You are a bit young and naive and not very well informed.. You could be but like an ostrich whose head is buried in the ground yours in buried in La La Land without responsibility plugged into hours of video game playing at E2 Cafe when you could be doing something more productive like going to school and perhaps learning more on research and development of the Rotary Genre. Reminds me of a visit that I had with Carlos Lopez of CLR... I was quite impressed with the knowledge that this man possesses.. My area of expertise is not rotaries but rather Aircraft engines so when he discussed with the ins and outs of the rotary motor and its evolution in todays applications I was taken back a bit when I was a student of Aircraft engines. Carlos literally learned all there was to learn about the rotary engine... Its schooling Luis...
Originally Posted by ZONDERVAN RX7
If you had taken the time to do the research on what i wrote in another topic as you said then you would see that what I said was not just gospel but actually had some coroborating evidence to support the comments that were made. That which I wrote was taken from an excerpt of a well known German Master Mechaninc that builds 4 Rotor motors... he is much older than you and has gone to school to learn all this and also has applied himself to the area of Research and Development.
Here is an excerpt of what Brunen the German Master Mechanic wrote:
"It's a small percentage of people who like to leave cars bone stock because they are
PERFECT. The FC is nice but FAR from perfect. It was actually built in the wrong direction from the 1st gen which was lighter and racer type. It did get some improvemnets like independent suspension and a bigger wheelbase but it also got heavier. Mostly it was aimed at the college boy market.
It just BARELY had all the aluminum parts on it. They were done just at the last minute so iit could be marketed in the US otherwise it would have been a leadslead...
The third gen is much closer to perfect but even it has issues."
Luis, The following is to address the other topic of the guy that you feel I fear by not answering as this was also written by Brunen "The 4 Rotor Builder"
" This is the kind of guy (Referring to the guy who you so eloquently feel that I fear) that never loses an argument (in his head) so you cant tell him anything. You go right on showing off all the mods to your car and tell him to smoke a turd. Better yet, just dont talk to him. Extend the nose ?...please Cut into the Firewall ? C'mon what is this guy thinking. I have done so many of these 4 Rotor motors that I know how to make it fit without having to do all those crazy extensions that this guy thinks need to happen.. What he needs is to get involved and be better informed befor he makes some wild accusations.
I cannot give away all my secrets... It took years of careful planning to make this be as flawless as I have made it .. so here is a hint as to what I do to make a 4 Rotor fit without having to extend the nose. Some of you on this forum that are actually mechanics or Researchers like Val's friend Carlos can surely attest to this fact. I will only provide three of the mods that I perform for the fitment process of a 4 Rotor the rest remains with me..
Its Kind of like asking Colonel Sanders (resting in peace) to divulge his secret recipe of 11 Herbs and Spices.
First mod... removing the stock fan clutch and going with a Black Magic 150 which will eliminate a good 10 or so inches. Second, doing away with the stock water pump and using an alternate stand alone electronic water injections system or external pump. Third, removing the Oil sump and using an alternate unit to provide the oil process. I will not reveal the other mods but there are a couple more.. All in all about 22 inches will be removed and actually a little more and the fitment is just right.. Can you visualize this ?
Need I mention more ?
Brunen
Here is an excerpt of what Brunen the German Master Mechanic wrote:
"It's a small percentage of people who like to leave cars bone stock because they are
PERFECT. The FC is nice but FAR from perfect. It was actually built in the wrong direction from the 1st gen which was lighter and racer type. It did get some improvemnets like independent suspension and a bigger wheelbase but it also got heavier. Mostly it was aimed at the college boy market.
It just BARELY had all the aluminum parts on it. They were done just at the last minute so iit could be marketed in the US otherwise it would have been a leadslead...
The third gen is much closer to perfect but even it has issues."
Luis, The following is to address the other topic of the guy that you feel I fear by not answering as this was also written by Brunen "The 4 Rotor Builder"
" This is the kind of guy (Referring to the guy who you so eloquently feel that I fear) that never loses an argument (in his head) so you cant tell him anything. You go right on showing off all the mods to your car and tell him to smoke a turd. Better yet, just dont talk to him. Extend the nose ?...please Cut into the Firewall ? C'mon what is this guy thinking. I have done so many of these 4 Rotor motors that I know how to make it fit without having to do all those crazy extensions that this guy thinks need to happen.. What he needs is to get involved and be better informed befor he makes some wild accusations.
I cannot give away all my secrets... It took years of careful planning to make this be as flawless as I have made it .. so here is a hint as to what I do to make a 4 Rotor fit without having to extend the nose. Some of you on this forum that are actually mechanics or Researchers like Val's friend Carlos can surely attest to this fact. I will only provide three of the mods that I perform for the fitment process of a 4 Rotor the rest remains with me..
Its Kind of like asking Colonel Sanders (resting in peace) to divulge his secret recipe of 11 Herbs and Spices.
First mod... removing the stock fan clutch and going with a Black Magic 150 which will eliminate a good 10 or so inches. Second, doing away with the stock water pump and using an alternate stand alone electronic water injections system or external pump. Third, removing the Oil sump and using an alternate unit to provide the oil process. I will not reveal the other mods but there are a couple more.. All in all about 22 inches will be removed and actually a little more and the fitment is just right.. Can you visualize this ?
Need I mention more ?
Brunen
The Black Magic fan takes more room than the Permacool, and will not provide enough air flow for that conversion also - unless it is just for show or mild use. The Black Magic flows 2850, the Permacool flows 2900 (but you have to make your own shroud). Not only can I visualize it, I can also point out the flaws. Just because you remove the water pump, it does not mean that you won't have hoses going into the block there. If you use 90 degree bends, it will impede the flow. You have to allow for all of the items that bolt to the motor.
The blue plate on the front ot the motor is the water pump adapter. This is just a 2 rotor motor. As you can see, I am familiar with water pump removal, et. :-) BTW - this will elimate you from racing in quite a few classes. Of course, you're just doing it for show.
http://www.atlmotors.com/members/sung/sungmotor01.jpg
Do you have any clue how much you will have to spend to install a 4 rotor, never mind actually building the motor? On a 2nd gen vert? Why not get the 3rd gen, "which is much closer to perfect?" Personally, I would do a 4 rotor in a widebody GSL-SE body.
You seem to be passionate about your 7, and I applaud you on that, and you seem to be eager to hold good events down in South Florida. Again, very valiant efforts. But it seems that you are around so very misinformed individuals. If this mechanic was doing all of the 4 rotor installs that he claims in the email, don't you think that people on this forum would go to him instead of going to Pettit and paying them to install a 3 rotor?
Like I said before, I come down to Miami a decent amount of time. Almost came down this weekend. I would love to see this work that Brunen does.
EDIT: BTW - I do like all of the models of the 7, and have nothing against verts (hence my screenname). My old vert is TII all the way through.
Last edited by David88vert; 05-29-05 at 08:48 AM.