400+hp rx7 vs 600+hp supra
09-26-07 | 01:06 AM
#26
A good setup on a supra will yield good power from 4000-redline as well. ITs just that with a 1000hp supra, its gonna be a fairly large turbo. The bigger the turbo, the more lag you get. Its that simple. Put the same turbo on the FD and you will see the same lag.
And um a standing mile, the rx7 wont be quicker. You do know a large single matched with the getrag 6spd on the supra is basically lethal right?
Why do you think all supras roll? Because they reign on top end. Thats why even 700rwhp supras can already keep up with 1 liter bikes. Their gearing is almost perfect.
Look at this old old video for example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL_ORYNbcns
Its the walser supra. STOCK bottom end with a 70 shot and other goodies. I believe it made 920rwhp, i cant remember.
Took a hayabusa, the quickest bike in the world at the time. Remember a hayabusa is a 1.3 liter bike, runs 9s STOCK.
And this is a highway run. Supra gears are perfect.
And um a standing mile, the rx7 wont be quicker. You do know a large single matched with the getrag 6spd on the supra is basically lethal right?
Why do you think all supras roll? Because they reign on top end. Thats why even 700rwhp supras can already keep up with 1 liter bikes. Their gearing is almost perfect.
Look at this old old video for example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL_ORYNbcns
Its the walser supra. STOCK bottom end with a 70 shot and other goodies. I believe it made 920rwhp, i cant remember.
Took a hayabusa, the quickest bike in the world at the time. Remember a hayabusa is a 1.3 liter bike, runs 9s STOCK.
And this is a highway run. Supra gears are perfect.
09-26-07 | 07:38 AM
#27
You had lunch with a legend.
What is he up to now? Does he have another supra or another car he is turning into a beast?
09-26-07 | 08:42 AM
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I agree with this for sure. its not an everyday thing that we do, or weekend fun stuff, it was just after he got his car outta the shop and we just wanted to play around. only did about 3 runs, and just straight, with very little other traffic. I don't play around when other cars are present. (IE swerving in and out etc, or racing past other cars.)
09-26-07 | 03:17 PM
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More pics can be found on www.Jadecrew.com just click on drivers and scroll down.
so uh... do guys think i should sell all my performance stuff and put in an LS2?
Jarrett, don't do it, my 94 is soooooo much nicer to drive around. AC Roxor your Soxor!
edit, oops, noticed the site still isn't fully updated, check out the myspace for more pics of the supra http://www.myspace.com/jademotorsports
so uh... do guys think i should sell all my performance stuff and put in an LS2?
Jarrett, don't do it, my 94 is soooooo much nicer to drive around. AC Roxor your Soxor!
edit, oops, noticed the site still isn't fully updated, check out the myspace for more pics of the supra http://www.myspace.com/jademotorsports
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09-26-07 | 03:51 PM
#34
The non turbo base supra was around 3200lbs, an auto is about 50lbs heavier than that. A full weight turbo model is around 3500lbs and 50lbs extra for a targa model.
So i just met half way with the 3400lbs. Its still not 1000lbs heavier than the FD.
09-27-07 | 12:45 AM
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has anyone seen a power curve of a 600hp supra on a 1000hp turbo?
compare that to a rx7 with a good gt30/35r and you will see 1 half of the reason the rx7 wins
max HP is one thing but if your only at that HP for 2000rpm, whats the use innless your in 4th going 140mph?
a good setup on a 7 will yield good power from 4000 to 8000+
Factor in the weight difference between the 2 cars and you will get a better power to weight ratio in more of the gear in the rx7.
Yes the supra makes a better power to weight ratio PEAK, but thats it.
yes the supra would win in the 150mph range...BUT
in a standing mile the rx7 would be MUCH quicker.
with all that said Id love to have that supra.
compare that to a rx7 with a good gt30/35r and you will see 1 half of the reason the rx7 wins
max HP is one thing but if your only at that HP for 2000rpm, whats the use innless your in 4th going 140mph?
a good setup on a 7 will yield good power from 4000 to 8000+
Factor in the weight difference between the 2 cars and you will get a better power to weight ratio in more of the gear in the rx7.
Yes the supra makes a better power to weight ratio PEAK, but thats it.
yes the supra would win in the 150mph range...BUT
in a standing mile the rx7 would be MUCH quicker.
with all that said Id love to have that supra.
10-08-07 | 12:56 PM
#39
accually i think you both are missing the point...
Our Whole Racing Culture is so Behind on the times., our Cars are Solely based on our Horse Power. While the Japanese are going for Driveablity, handling, and acceleration. While We are building Daily Driver Drag Cars, or Big ******* Dyno Queens. take some of these cars that people love here in the states and they will get destroy'd and laughed at in japan.
another thing is some people make really bad chocies on i.e. how to PICK a turbo for their car. oh they want big HP! big HP doesnt mean your car is gonna be fast., so you decide anyways your gonna get a t-88H on a Supra and make 1000 hp , now your complaining about turbo lag., Well no ****,
Come on guys look at the Trends over there and look at what they are putting out., td06's (w/ maybe some rx6's , and a few t-78's. ) are the most common turbo's for the Rx7's and KAI GT35r's are common for the supra.
Another thing., i dont think i've seen any of the tuners build Bridge ported motors for street cars.. ( why are we ?! ) i think the biggest i seen on a street car is a street port., but yah theirs others who just go 3 rotor or 4 rotor.
i guess what im trying to say., if you want power with your 7 , past 600 hp swap your motor., but dont sit there and complain about turbo lag cuz you cant pick a effin turbo to save your life.
Our Whole Racing Culture is so Behind on the times., our Cars are Solely based on our Horse Power. While the Japanese are going for Driveablity, handling, and acceleration. While We are building Daily Driver Drag Cars, or Big ******* Dyno Queens. take some of these cars that people love here in the states and they will get destroy'd and laughed at in japan.
another thing is some people make really bad chocies on i.e. how to PICK a turbo for their car. oh they want big HP! big HP doesnt mean your car is gonna be fast., so you decide anyways your gonna get a t-88H on a Supra and make 1000 hp , now your complaining about turbo lag., Well no ****,
Come on guys look at the Trends over there and look at what they are putting out., td06's (w/ maybe some rx6's , and a few t-78's. ) are the most common turbo's for the Rx7's and KAI GT35r's are common for the supra.
Another thing., i dont think i've seen any of the tuners build Bridge ported motors for street cars.. ( why are we ?! ) i think the biggest i seen on a street car is a street port., but yah theirs others who just go 3 rotor or 4 rotor.
i guess what im trying to say., if you want power with your 7 , past 600 hp swap your motor., but dont sit there and complain about turbo lag cuz you cant pick a effin turbo to save your life.
10-08-07 | 01:07 PM
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10-08-07 | 07:06 PM
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accually i think you both are missing the point...
Our Whole Racing Culture is so Behind on the times., our Cars are Solely based on our Horse Power. While the Japanese are going for Driveablity, handling, and acceleration. While We are building Daily Driver Drag Cars, or Big ******* Dyno Queens. take some of these cars that people love here in the states and they will get destroy'd and laughed at in japan.
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Our Whole Racing Culture is so Behind on the times., our Cars are Solely based on our Horse Power. While the Japanese are going for Driveablity, handling, and acceleration. While We are building Daily Driver Drag Cars, or Big ******* Dyno Queens. take some of these cars that people love here in the states and they will get destroy'd and laughed at in japan.
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another thing is some people make really bad chocies on i.e. how to PICK a turbo for their car. oh they want big HP! big HP doesnt mean your car is gonna be fast., so you decide anyways your gonna get a t-88H on a Supra and make 1000 hp , now your complaining about turbo lag., Well no ****,
Come on guys look at the Trends over there and look at what they are putting out., td06's (w/ maybe some rx6's , and a few t-78's. ) are the most common turbo's for the Rx7's and KAI GT35r's are common for the supra.
Another thing., i dont think i've seen any of the tuners build Bridge ported motors for street cars.. ( why are we ?! ) i think the biggest i seen on a street car is a street port., but yah theirs others who just go 3 rotor or 4 rotor.
i guess what im trying to say., if you want power with your 7 , past 600 hp swap your motor., but dont sit there and complain about turbo lag cuz you cant pick a effin turbo to save your life.
Come on guys look at the Trends over there and look at what they are putting out., td06's (w/ maybe some rx6's , and a few t-78's. ) are the most common turbo's for the Rx7's and KAI GT35r's are common for the supra.
Another thing., i dont think i've seen any of the tuners build Bridge ported motors for street cars.. ( why are we ?! ) i think the biggest i seen on a street car is a street port., but yah theirs others who just go 3 rotor or 4 rotor.
i guess what im trying to say., if you want power with your 7 , past 600 hp swap your motor., but dont sit there and complain about turbo lag cuz you cant pick a effin turbo to save your life.
different cultures are different cultures. here u need HP. stop crying!
10-16-07 | 04:33 AM
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Actually he is right. Cars here tend to be built for top end power only, where as cars from other parts of the world tend to have a huge midrange with a small top.
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