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Old 04-17-12 | 04:43 PM
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windows 7 pc Useless with palm desktop

i downloaded the palm desktop for my palm m100. no luck. i cant even install the palm installer software it says "please create new user" which i already did.

major fail.. my windows 7 pc wont do it. and my desktop took a **** and wont work.
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Is your new pc a 64 bit or 32 bit? I haven't seen any of the palms yet able
to work with the 64 bit systems. I'm looking into getting an Rtech soon.
This is just what I've seen so far.
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Originally Posted by PortedRotorTuner
Is your new pc a 64 bit or 32 bit? I haven't seen any of the palms yet able
to work with the 64 bit systems. I'm looking into getting an Rtech soon.
This is just what I've seen so far.
its new new. august 2011. its 64 bit.

last month i purchased a gearmo usb to serial adapter. since it was approved for windows 7. it created (com3) for my pc successfully, by installing its drivers. i checked it in device manager. it created com3

i installed palm software on my windows 7pc.

it wouldnt work. nope nothin. just wouldnt sync.



what i wound up doing was pulling out an old lap top out of my closet. windows xp pc, installed the very same gearmo drivers with the adapter and with in 2 min the pc was synced with the very same software and drivers to the palm. i synced up my m100 and loaded rtek back on it


downside to useing an m100 is that it has no sd card slot. and if the batteries die or are removed you have to re-sync it to load everything back on it.

i fixed the issue that my m100 needed to have rtek loaded back on it but i didnt solve the issue that the palm desktop software doesnt work well on my pc.


would not initiate the palm installer would not prompt to create new user (sync)
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your old lap top a 32 bit? I was going to go with a m515. I found some that will work on
windows 7, but only the 32 bit system. I just bought a new lap top and its 64 bit. And
my old one is 64 bit. So I was waiting to see what happenes with the bt they are working
on now. I won't really need the rtech for about a month yet.
Old 04-17-12 | 06:03 PM
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so.. get this...


issue i thought with windows 7 pc:
hardware automatically installed itself threw windows updates, completely automated. after many times of uninstalling driver threw device manager and pluging in it would automatically install itself. headache. because the gearmo serial port adapter to usb specifies manual installation of 2 steps.

actual issue:
port was set to com3, palm desktop software requires com1, while in device manager under properties for the new installed hardware (usb serial adapter from gearmo) i found the drop down to select which com i wanted. i selected com1, i pressed the sync button on my palm dock and volla.... it worked..


wtf!!!!!

well any way.. i thought it was just not syncing up . but since i selected the correct com to emulate, it works.


T_T i feel defeated yet surprisingly satisfied.
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Originally Posted by PortedRotorTuner
your old lap top a 32 bit? I was going to go with a m515. I found some that will work on
windows 7, but only the 32 bit system. I just bought a new lap top and its 64 bit. And
my old one is 64 bit. So I was waiting to see what happenes with the bt they are working
on now. I won't really need the rtech for about a month yet.
buy this and you shouldnt have any issue with any older palm that uses a serial port

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details


if your using the m515 i dont see why there would be an issue. i think the m515 uses a usb connection to connect with a pc.

palm desktop seems to work fine on my windows 7, 64 bit.

my old xp lap top is , of course. 32 bit.

both were able to use the usb serial port adapter quickly and easily. it seemed to be that the windows 7 pc is all automated and i had to manually change the setting from com3 to com1 in the device manager>ports>right click>properties>


64bit i think only means it can run programs that can handle up to 64bit. it has no issues running anything ment for 32bit that i have noticed. i have absolutly no issue running any old program on my new 64bit windows 7 pc. this just goes to show it. now as far as hardware and drivers go. thats a different story. hence why i had to purchase the gearmo usb to serial adapter. its proven to work. others are a shot in the dark.
for 15$ its a steal for a cable that works this well and is this well made.

ect....

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oh sweet. Thanks for the link! Well maybe I'll just go ahead and get the m515 then.
Good job on finding out that you had to change the com port. Makes sense though.
But with all the crap I've seen that the 32 bit won't hook up the the 64 bit made it
a little confusing. But like you said the 32 bit programs should work on the 64 bit
system. I just wasn't wanting to spend money on things that might not work.
I'll be putting the engine back together this Saturday. Then I'll look into getting the
rtech.

Cool! I learned something here too! Thanks!
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Mine wouldn't do it either, so I picked up and old Dell laptop running Windows XP just for my Palm. It's better for my to have a laptop for my car stuff away from all my other stuff.
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You might be able to install the windows xp compatibility mode and attach the usb to serial converter inside the windows xp vm machine and use that to sync with the palm.
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Originally Posted by Wms10th
Mine wouldn't do it either, so I picked up and old Dell laptop running Windows XP just for my Palm. It's better for my to have a laptop for my car stuff away from all my other stuff.
yeah lap tops are more functional but my 23 inch dell all-in=one desktop is hard to stay away from
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You might be able to install the windows xp compatibility mode and attach the usb to serial converter inside the windows xp vm machine and use that to sync with the palm.
solareon if you look up a few posts i figured out it was the com port settings due to windows 7 automatically installing it w/o the CD. and i found no way around that. no install wizard popped up to give me options in the 15 times i uninstalled the driver from device manager and re-installed.

windows xp gives you the option but windows 7, at least mine, is set up to just automatically detect drivers from windows update.


either way it works. m515 i think runs a usb hot sync cable right? so that means you have to purchase a serial cable for the m515 in order to hook it up to the rtek. vice virsa. if you buy an older modle with a provided serial cable you have to buy a usb cable adapter for your newer pc/lap top!

i cant wait till the get the android stuff working.
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Just a point of reference that I didn't know was still available, if you have problems with the Palm desktop software, you can download this program...it allows you to install programs without having to do the whole hotsync thing. I've only gotten it to work with serial though.

http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilitie...tinstall.shtml

I'm running version 2.25 and it works on windows 7 64 bit.
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Originally Posted by turbo2ltr
Just a point of reference that I didn't know was still available, if you have problems with the Palm desktop software, you can download this program...it allows you to install programs without having to do the whole hotsync thing. I've only gotten it to work with serial though.

http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilitie...tinstall.shtml

I'm running version 2.25 and it works on windows 7 64 bit.
you should add this to the FAQ thread

"what do i do if my hotsync isnt working"

thanks! keep up the good work, looking forward to seeing what is the future of the rtek + android

btw i just downloaded 2.1.3 build 5, is this the most current firmware for my unit? does this mean i am running 2.25 also? sorry... i thought i'd ask since i had your attention.

you only have one link to download the zipped file. and you just update that with the most recent versions right?

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those COM port mismatch problems are common with USB to serial converters
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Originally Posted by arghx
those COM port mismatch problems are common with USB to serial converters
yeah. with windows' 7 automatic install i couldnt install drivers from the provided cd.


with windows xp automatic install i had option to use the provided CD to install drivers. which walked you threw everything.
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I mentioned switching the COM setting in the emulator thread here: https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...2&postcount=73. The default never seems to be COM 1.
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Originally Posted by fc3schick87
if your using the m515 i dont see why there would be an issue. i think the m515 uses a usb connection to connect with a pc.
As you may have found out, your best bet is to hotsync the Palm using a serial cable and USB-to-serial adapter on recent versions of Windows.

On 64-bit Windows, you can't hotsync via USB because Palm Desktop doesn't support USB on 64-bit platforms.

On 32-bit Windows, you may be able to get Palm Desktop to work with USB, but, beyond XP your chances start to dwindle.
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Originally Posted by fc3schick87
buy this and you shouldnt have any issue with any older palm that uses a serial port

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details


if your using the m515 i dont see why there would be an issue. i think the m515 uses a usb connection to connect with a pc.

palm desktop seems to work fine on my windows 7, 64 bit.

my old xp lap top is , of course. 32 bit.

both were able to use the usb serial port adapter quickly and easily. it seemed to be that the windows 7 pc is all automated and i had to manually change the setting from com3 to com1 in the device manager>ports>right click>properties>


64bit i think only means it can run programs that can handle up to 64bit. it has no issues running anything ment for 32bit that i have noticed. i have absolutly no issue running any old program on my new 64bit windows 7 pc. this just goes to show it. now as far as hardware and drivers go. thats a different story. hence why i had to purchase the gearmo usb to serial adapter. its proven to work. others are a shot in the dark.
for 15$ its a steal for a cable that works this well and is this well made.

ect....
Ordered that cable today. And just got a Tungston T2.

Thanks again!
Old 05-03-12 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PortedRotorTuner
Ordered that cable today. And just got a Tungston T2.

Thanks again!
good luck with the t2, i had the t3 and it had alot of data communication errors. so if you see anything like that just take note and make sure to post up!
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I will. I have heard the T3 has some issue's. I was recommended by a forum member to use
the T2. So hopefully all will be well. I got your cable to sync the T2 to my lap top. Same member
gave me a heads up that the M515 has many issue's with dropping connection to the ecu. And
sometimes corrupting timing map and the starting curve when it drops connection. And then I
read that same info in a post somewhere. So, that saved me money, time, and frustration right
off the bat. So I appreciated that!
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