martel317

@ 2900 lbs with 781 whp you should be traping 9.1-8.98 around 151. that's at 2900lbs these cars stock way a max of 2700lbs stock iirc. whats making these ones so heavy?

turboR1

lol they wish that was the reason. in order for someone to say you should be trapping this, hp and weight are both needed. the weight of a FD or FC is pretty consistent unless the car is completely gutted usually around 2700-2900lbs with 700hp that should be over 150mph. the only way for it to be lower is if the person is not staying WOT the whole time or letting up at the end etc. or the common reason, they really arent making what they say lol. or they just ran less boost that day at the track.

look at time machines car,, ive heard they make 650-700hp and he traps what 154mph? sounds right to me.

also excuses like i missed a gear or cut a bad 60' will effect your ET not your MPH.

turboR1

Dam Ernie is under attack lol..

While mph shouldnt vary too much there are way to many things that determine your E.T. Just because you have 781hp does not mean you can easily run 9.1. but your trap speed shouldnt be to far off. and Ernie's is up there at 149

look at Eddie bellos porsche.. with tranny problems he goes 13's at 159mph

Trots*88TII-AE*

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when it comes down to it, it's a lot easier to say someone should run 9's then it is to run 9's, nomatter how much hp you claim to have.

martel317

it is a lot easier to see. but for the most part i don't see matching trap speeds. even if you're not the greatest drag racer in the world, your traps should still be around a certain area. ErnieT isn't under attack it's just that he is well known and has been at it for a while.

ultimatejay

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So you don't think that weight has any bearing on MPH? Then what's your explanation of all these high hp cars 650+ netting below 150mph, because like you said even if they lost traction they still would run a high mph and loss of traction will actually increase mph on the top end. I guarantee if you gutted the car down to 2000lbs with the same hp, the car would go over 150mph easily. So tell me again why the weight isn't a issue?

Trots*88TII-AE*

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I think what he's getting at is that over-inflation of hp numbers is a more common reason for lower trap speeds than being "too heavy"

crispeed

And to back that theory up just this week a certain friend of mines made 880hp on a turbo that's only capable of like 750 to 800 max. He took the car to the track and only trapped 146mph. Another friend with the same exact car weighing 20lbs less ran the same et and mph but he was only making like 650hp!

rotormind

Wat bothers me most is that the Evo with 750+ hp runs an 8sec pass and still traps 156 mph. Now I don't know much about the evo but I do know that they are heavier than the rx7 is. Ernie car made more power than this evo did.

sk8world

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I made a almost clean pass tonight in the 1/8th @ 106mph. Next pass I missed 3rd and trapped 95mph!

crispeed

That EVO is at 2800lbs also!.

rotormind

Also this might be old news and a little off topic, but men in black went 196 in the 1/4 which I think is the record for 3/4 chassis. He's making big power. As far as the evo, there's no dought he's making the numbers. I'm just waiting to see some higher mph from this forum.

Trots*88TII-AE*

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He must've double-clutched instead.

"Nitro-methane's for PUSSIES".

turboR1

I didnt say it wouldnt have any effect.. And also your talking the 1/8 now where hitting 3rd is critical.

It all depends on how you miss a gear.. if you miss and quickly recover it wont have a big effect. If you miss and are lazy and take your time shifting and roll half way down the track while doing it yes then you ran out of room to run your normal trap otherwise it will always be in the same area.

if you did that in the 1/4 and you normally trap 125 it would be 122 or something like that. MPH does not fluctuate as much as you would think.

Does putting in a gforce or a liberty tranny make your MPH increase dramatically ? certainly not like weight or hp does.

a dead perfect run and a decent run where some mistakes were made will have the same mph generally. A really shitty run obviously will have a big effect on everything.

ultimatejay

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Yeah because the guy with the 880hp was probably peddling the car all the way down the track. It depends on the driver alot too. No *****- less mph. Big ball- higher mph.

blitzboy

His weight is approx 2500 lbs, he was on my MT ET Streets Bias Ply tyres for the 10.1 run when he burned out is Hossier Radials when he did a 10.5 run. He was running normal Road tyres up front.

crispeed

No he was not peddling and both are great drivers. The point was to show the results of over inflated dyno #'s. There are a lot of that going around as of late.

enzo250

This is why I say all the time that the only numbers that matter are the ones posted on the scoreboard.. I don't care what dyno sheets say..

Busted7

Maybe thats why when someone tells me they have 700/800 h/p i tell them i dont think i could handle that!
Im yet to get the most out of 500 i cant imagine 800! And i out run most of them so whats there problem!

ultimatejay

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Oh, I thought being your freind, you tuned his car and he was actually making 800hp. So he's full of caca eh?

Yep, and alot of people don't get it.

RoTaRyBoYz

Guy, MIB best MPH is 190.. Maybe you're refering to Sporty?

ErnieT

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Wow. lol If it were that easy to run 9.xxx, everyone would be doing it. If you check the drag records, there's only about 5-10 people that ran 9's in all stock trim like I did. When you make 500-600whp its easy to control and manage and launch. When you start making alot more power, it takes seat time to get used to things. For instance, it took me almost all season before my 60' times dropped from the high 1.8's to the low 1.4's. When I went to the track, by myself, I had to figure out what tire pressure to run in front and rear, what to set the suspension up in the front and rear, where to shift, when to shift, how much boost needed out of the hole, what rpm out of the hole with boost. All this is taken for granted by keyboard warriors. I had major tranny issues, which finally I just gave up and bought a g-force. Now I have to get used to it. Hell when I did finally run a 9 sec pass, my motor was hurt, and tires were rubbing like crazy. Not excuses, just things happen you can't control at the track. I don't have an unlimited budget and went to test and tune by myself 99% of the time. Its hard to dial the car in by yourself. My car almost weighs 2900lbs with me in it.
As I stated, anyone with a street car wanting to line, give me a shout Till then, go build your own 9 sec car and stop putting down the guys trying to make it happen.

rotormind

"Guy" Video is in agracingphoto. He ran a 7.23@196mph on 12/2/08. He probably wouldve had the record if he didn't spin so bad off the line. Go check it out.

JStrib

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Oh thank God you're going to let him slide!

rotormind

In other words not bring him up to prove my point.