Rotary Car Performance General Rotary Car and Engine modification discussions.

Why Apex Seals Fail

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-16-10 | 10:18 AM
  #176  
Barry Bordes's Avatar
Thread Starter
"Elusive, not deceptive!”
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 930
Likes: 13
From: Slidell, LA
Adam, Patman's DIY omp mod.


https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...errerid=101407
Old 01-16-10 | 05:29 PM
  #177  
afgmoto1978's Avatar
Lift Off in T-Minus...
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,911
Likes: 4
From: Kingman, AZ
Yeah, I actually made a premix tank for another guy that was on the same GB Trout2 was on for catch tanks. It came out to a little over 1.6 litres.







[img]ttp://www.rx7club.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=372913&stc=1&d=1263684 503[/img]

Attached Thumbnails Why Apex Seals Fail-dsc07246.jpg   Why Apex Seals Fail-img_0208.jpg   Why Apex Seals Fail-img_0207.jpg   Why Apex Seals Fail-img_0209.jpg   Why Apex Seals Fail-pre-mix-tank.jpg  

Old 10-20-11 | 12:43 PM
  #178  
patman's Avatar
Resident Know-it-All
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 3,099
Likes: 3
From: Richland, WA
Interesting read.

Have any of you guys done any testing with cylinder pressure transducers? It really surprises me that I have never seen any cylinder pressure data for a rotary, whereas it is the primary tuning indication used by most engine manufacturers. I will be logging CPX data on my next 20B build, but I have a lot going on lately so that likely won't be until spring.
Old 10-20-11 | 03:37 PM
  #179  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,188
Likes: 438
From: cold
Originally Posted by patman
Have any of you guys done any testing with cylinder pressure transducers? It really surprises me that I have never seen any cylinder pressure data for a rotary, whereas it is the primary tuning indication used by most engine manufacturers


10A engine, 10A engine prototype with trailing plugs only, 10A engine prototype with leading plugs only
Attached Thumbnails Why Apex Seals Fail-rotary_pressure_indicator_10a.png  
Old 10-20-11 | 05:31 PM
  #180  
Liborek's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 357
Likes: 0
From: Czech republic
Very interesting. Dual plug system is reaching highest combustion pressure and rise itself after ignition is sharpest. Leading only seems poor combination in this example, it has lowest peak pressure and not so much area under the curve where it counts ie early after TDC. Trailing only seems really good, more overall pressure than leading only.

Most interesting for me is blowdown pressure, it seems that leading only has very slow burn rate, pressure is still high in late crank degrees, Trailing and dual system seems better all around - higher peak pressure and lower blowdown - less noise maybe
Old 10-20-11 | 09:08 PM
  #181  
melvinFC10's Avatar
Full Member
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh, PA
Interesting thread. Learn more and more every day. I have definitely subscribed to this one.
Old 10-20-11 | 10:01 PM
  #182  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,188
Likes: 438
From: cold
Originally Posted by Liborek
Very interesting. Dual plug system is reaching highest combustion pressure and rise itself after ignition is sharpest. Leading only seems poor combination in this example, it has lowest peak pressure and not so much area under the curve where it counts ie early after TDC. Trailing only seems really good, more overall pressure than leading only.

Most interesting for me is blowdown pressure, it seems that leading only has very slow burn rate, pressure is still high in late crank degrees, Trailing and dual system seems better all around - higher peak pressure and lower blowdown - less noise maybe
According to the source document: the leading-only configuration can't propogate to the trailing side easily because it is fighting gas flows as the rotor turns. Thus the combustion is delayed, hence the slow pressure rise. The trailing-only configuration does have a better position in terms of mixture distribution inside the combustion chamber. However it encounters the well-documented flame quenching effects that Mazda has sought to address in later designs.
Old 10-22-11 | 07:36 AM
  #183  
Barry Bordes's Avatar
Thread Starter
"Elusive, not deceptive!”
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 930
Likes: 13
From: Slidell, LA
I have been doing some testing with in chamber pressure sensors.....
Attempting to increase burn rate using a combination of best split and advance.
Barry

Old 10-22-11 | 07:59 AM
  #184  
Howard Coleman's Avatar
Racing Rotary Since 1983
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 6,136
Likes: 563
From: Florence, Alabama
Barry,

do you have a thread on this and if not could you give us additional info. very interesting. what have you learned to date?

wow, new data.

hc
Old 10-22-11 | 12:36 PM
  #185  
indio84's Avatar
Senior Member

iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 651
Likes: 1
From: aruba
very informative thread
Old 10-25-11 | 11:31 AM
  #186  
Donovan N.'s Avatar
Full Member

 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 181
Likes: 0
From: York, PA
Does anybody know what the biggest size coolant fitting you can bore into the rotor housing is without weakening it? maybe -10 AN or 3/4 NPT fitting? I found this spec sheet for AN fittings some people might find helpful:

http://assist.daps.dla.mil/docimages...LLLRQMYLYT.PDF
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Jeff20B
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
73
09-16-18 07:16 PM
Andrew7dg
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
3
08-06-17 01:41 PM
localized
New Member RX-7 Technical
3
09-16-15 12:18 AM
Howard Coleman
The Good Businesses
2
09-15-15 10:31 AM



Quick Reply: Why Apex Seals Fail



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:48 PM.