Siguel Racing 7.13@189mph!!!!
06-03-02, 10:50 PM
#26
Rotary Freak
Hey guys.. I dont keep up with this stuff but what about Abel Aberra. I thought that he had a 13b that runs 7.3 and people said he was thinking about a 20b wich should put him into 6s easy. I mean hes running almost as fast as Siguels 20b. So does Abel have a 20b yet or what??? what are some of the stats?
06-03-02, 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by VELCRO SHOES
Abel has the 20b but has been having problems with it recently so he threw his old 2 rotor back in until he solves the problems he had with the 3 rotor.
Abel has the 20b but has been having problems with it recently so he threw his old 2 rotor back in until he solves the problems he had with the 3 rotor.
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06-04-02, 05:51 AM
#29
I thought I read somewhere that that BugPack VW had run a 6.9xx pass like 2 weeks ago? that car is a 4 Cyl import, so didn't siguel already miss the boat?
Originally posted by crispeed
I hope he be the first in the 6-second zone!
That would be a great acheivement for everyone involve and also for the MAZDA ROTARY!!!!
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I hope he be the first in the 6-second zone!
That would be a great acheivement for everyone involve and also for the MAZDA ROTARY!!!!
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06-04-02, 08:02 AM
#30
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Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
I thought I read somewhere that that BugPack VW had run a 6.9xx pass like 2 weeks ago? that car is a 4 Cyl import, so didn't siguel already miss the boat?
I thought I read somewhere that that BugPack VW had run a 6.9xx pass like 2 weeks ago? that car is a 4 Cyl import, so didn't siguel already miss the boat?
06-04-02, 02:28 PM
#31
So exactly what is the reason that fisher isn't recognized for holding the record? is it because of the weight requirement? all of the pro cars are funny car type drag cars that are extremly light.
I would love for a rotary, especially siguel to be the first in the 6's, but i dont want to discredit the VW guys if fisher really did it. Does anyone know the weight of the fisher buggie car? how far off is he from meeting NHRA weight requirements?
I would love for a rotary, especially siguel to be the first in the 6's, but i dont want to discredit the VW guys if fisher really did it. Does anyone know the weight of the fisher buggie car? how far off is he from meeting NHRA weight requirements?
06-04-02, 08:33 PM
#35
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yes yes it does peejay
Do we have aftermarket Rotors? like made out of billet?
No
we don't have non mazda racing engine rotating parts
The black supra that I've seen driving on the road here
did 9 flat in 1/4 with a stock bottom end with worked OEM head
The Import racing is diffrent them the Domestics
in that we for the most part use OEM castings
Oh edit
you was talking about the Fisher Funny car
Do we have aftermarket Rotors? like made out of billet?
No
we don't have non mazda racing engine rotating parts
The black supra that I've seen driving on the road here
did 9 flat in 1/4 with a stock bottom end with worked OEM head
The Import racing is diffrent them the Domestics
in that we for the most part use OEM castings
Oh edit
you was talking about the Fisher Funny car
06-04-02, 10:09 PM
#36
Originally posted by kabooski
for The same reason NYC cars with 4 cyl mercury boat motors are not allowed
It's a "non-production powerplant" get it?
for The same reason NYC cars with 4 cyl mercury boat motors are not allowed
It's a "non-production powerplant" get it?
another question, was sakura REALLY running a production conquest motor in that car years ago? i have no first hand experience with those motors, but i hear that highly boosted street cars with those motors were notorious for cracking heads. how then did sakura blow ~30 psi through that thing and keep it together? years ago, the word was that sakura was running a billet block and head 'based on' a conquest motor.
anybody know for sure?
i'm sure there are a few pro cars that are running 'non-production blocks'
wasn't the hoyas focus running a ford motorsport block from SVO that is based on the production V6? the motorsport blocks were never sold in production cars....
06-04-02, 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
hmmm, i believe that black mitsubishi eclipse with the half of a V8 mercruiser boat engine was from PR, NOT NYC. but either way, i remember that car competing at east coast import events for points and $$.
another question, was sakura REALLY running a production conquest motor in that car years ago? i have no first hand experience with those motors, but i hear that highly boosted street cars with those motors were notorious for cracking heads. how then did sakura blow ~30 psi through that thing and keep it together? years ago, the word was that sakura was running a billet block and head 'based on' a conquest motor.
anybody know for sure?
i'm sure there are a few pro cars that are running 'non-production blocks'
wasn't the hoyas focus running a ford motorsport block from SVO that is based on the production V6? the motorsport blocks were never sold in production cars....
hmmm, i believe that black mitsubishi eclipse with the half of a V8 mercruiser boat engine was from PR, NOT NYC. but either way, i remember that car competing at east coast import events for points and $$.
another question, was sakura REALLY running a production conquest motor in that car years ago? i have no first hand experience with those motors, but i hear that highly boosted street cars with those motors were notorious for cracking heads. how then did sakura blow ~30 psi through that thing and keep it together? years ago, the word was that sakura was running a billet block and head 'based on' a conquest motor.
anybody know for sure?
i'm sure there are a few pro cars that are running 'non-production blocks'
wasn't the hoyas focus running a ford motorsport block from SVO that is based on the production V6? the motorsport blocks were never sold in production cars....
When you're running close to 60psi of boost a lot of things tend to crack!
Here's a little story about the Fisher Buggy!
As for the Fisher Buggies dragster, it's actually a Funny car and not a door slammer type of vechicle. It's below minimum weight for any class and it also is not running a production type motor! Although it runs on Alcohol everyone here in Fl knows Ken Fisher like mixing a little Nitromethane every now and then!
Ken is not trying to prove a point or anything he just love VWs and also greatly supports any type of Import drag racing. He's responsible and sponsors a lot of the import dragracing events here in Florida. He aslo knows his car is not legal for many of the present Import racing sanctioning bodies but he would take the car anyway and if they don't let him run he would just do exibition passes.
I remember some time last year at the IDRC event here in FL at Moroso dragstrip the IDRC officials did not let the Fisher Buggies VW run because of complaints from the Nelson Hoyos Ford Focus racing team. Imagine that they were afraid of a little competition. Anyhow Ken Fisher never complained and decided to do exibition runs for the fans. Somehow word got back to the Fisher team that the Focus team were bad mouthing him with the fans and telling everyone that the Fisher car was a POS! Ken simply went to the tower and challenged the Focus team to a match race, but they chicken out right in front of the entire crowd that was there!
Everyone was booing the Focus team for the rest of the day even when they made their 7.0 pass no one give them any respect for doing so!
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06-05-02, 04:31 AM
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Crispeed: that's the kind of stories i like to hear! That's pretty funny! People scared of a little competition....ha....bring it on!
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Siguels car must run extra weight to run in the pro class. I can personally guarantee you that it has significant weight in it. After every race each car must be weighed otherwise it is diqualified. Siguel had run a 7.33 last year but his record was only recognised as a 7.44 which he run in Englishtown. Even this pass will not stand as it must be backed up within 1%. However this pass was done with the weight. I am confident that he is capable of the 6 now if he didnt carry the required weight. Rules are there for a parity reason, which to me make 7.13 within the rules even more impressive.
Congrats must go to Abell, 7.44 with 2 rotors is an achievement that will stand for a considerable time. I stood on the startline in Englishtown when he broke an engine in 3rd gear. The first two gears shivers down my spine and if and when he gets it together I hope I can be there to see it. That thing has some serious power.
It would be interesting to see Siguel with a corporate behind him.
Regards-Anthony
Congrats must go to Abell, 7.44 with 2 rotors is an achievement that will stand for a considerable time. I stood on the startline in Englishtown when he broke an engine in 3rd gear. The first two gears shivers down my spine and if and when he gets it together I hope I can be there to see it. That thing has some serious power.
It would be interesting to see Siguel with a corporate behind him.
Regards-Anthony
06-05-02, 08:54 AM
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I really don't care if the block is made out of ceramic, it's still pretty sweet to see a four-popper in the 6's So what if it's "underweight" or not 100% OE... where do you draw the line between OE and non OE? The point is it had only four little jugs and it ran a 6-second timeslip, therefore... IT COUNTS...
So what if it's "underweight" or not 100% OE... where do you draw the line between OE and non OE? The point is it had only four little jugs and it ran a 6-second timeslip, therefore... IT COUNTS...
06-05-02, 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by peejay
I really don't care if the block is made out of ceramic, it's still pretty sweet to see a four-popper in the 6's So what if it's "underweight" or not 100% OE... where do you draw the line between OE and non OE? The point is it had only four little jugs and it ran a 6-second timeslip, therefore... IT COUNTS...
I really don't care if the block is made out of ceramic, it's still pretty sweet to see a four-popper in the 6's
So what if it's "underweight" or not 100% OE... where do you draw the line between OE and non OE? The point is it had only four little jugs and it ran a 6-second timeslip, therefore... IT COUNTS...
The Pauter block that Fisher is using in his VW is more commonly known as the 'Big block" in the VW community!
They are normally around 2800 to 3300cc's!
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06-05-02, 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by VELCRO SHOES
mercruiser boat motor?
mercruiser boat motor?
The block is also designed to accept the same head that would bolt to the V-8 also! I've seen one with a Ford Big Block Cleveland on it!
Another popular domestic 4cyl used are the Pontiac Super duty motors.
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06-05-02, 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by crispeed
Yes you're correct about the head cracking problem and the guys with Sakura changed heads very often. They had a custom head made out of billet Aluminium but the block was the next weak link and that started to crack. That's what I heard true the grape vine!
When you're running close to 60psi of boost a lot of things tend to crack!
Yes you're correct about the head cracking problem and the guys with Sakura changed heads very often. They had a custom head made out of billet Aluminium but the block was the next weak link and that started to crack. That's what I heard true the grape vine!
When you're running close to 60psi of boost a lot of things tend to crack!
DAMN, 60psi?? who the hell makes a 5 bar MAP sensor?
06-05-02, 12:41 PM
#46
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Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
so why were sakura's times, and 7 second record recognized even though he was not running a produstion motor?
DAMN, 60psi?? who the hell makes a 5 bar MAP sensor?
so why were sakura's times, and 7 second record recognized even though he was not running a produstion motor?
DAMN, 60psi?? who the hell makes a 5 bar MAP sensor?
It depends on whom 'who' is!
There are different requirements to meet by all the different sanctioning bodies to be a record.
For eg. The Siguel 7.13 run is not an official record in the NHRA because Siguel has not backed up the run as yet. That does not mean that the time was not done or recognised!
The 4 and 5-bar map sensors are available by many of the well known stand alone ECU's out there.
I have the 5-bar now for my Haltech. It's just under $400 bucks for the map sensor and software needed to run it!
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06-05-02, 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Anthony Rodrigues
Siguels car must run extra weight to run in the pro class. I can personally guarantee you that it has significant weight in it. After every race each car must be weighed otherwise it is diqualified. Siguel had run a 7.33 last year but his record was only recognised as a 7.44 which he run in Englishtown. Even this pass will not stand as it must be backed up within 1%. However this pass was done with the weight. I am confident that he is capable of the 6 now if he didnt carry the required weight. Rules are there for a parity reason, which to me make 7.13 within the rules even more impressive.
Congrats must go to Abell, 7.44 with 2 rotors is an achievement that will stand for a considerable time. I stood on the startline in Englishtown when he broke an engine in 3rd gear. The first two gears shivers down my spine and if and when he gets it together I hope I can be there to see it. That thing has some serious power.
It would be interesting to see Siguel with a corporate behind him.
Regards-Anthony
Siguels car must run extra weight to run in the pro class. I can personally guarantee you that it has significant weight in it. After every race each car must be weighed otherwise it is diqualified. Siguel had run a 7.33 last year but his record was only recognised as a 7.44 which he run in Englishtown. Even this pass will not stand as it must be backed up within 1%. However this pass was done with the weight. I am confident that he is capable of the 6 now if he didnt carry the required weight. Rules are there for a parity reason, which to me make 7.13 within the rules even more impressive.
Congrats must go to Abell, 7.44 with 2 rotors is an achievement that will stand for a considerable time. I stood on the startline in Englishtown when he broke an engine in 3rd gear. The first two gears shivers down my spine and if and when he gets it together I hope I can be there to see it. That thing has some serious power.
It would be interesting to see Siguel with a corporate behind him.
Regards-Anthony
Siguel is very confident now that 6's are going to happen! As soon as they have the clutch and chassis combo figured out they will do it. The car hooked a 1.06 on that run!
You and I know the boost is not even close to where it's supposed to be!crispeed
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06-05-02, 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by crispeed
Who said it was not recognized?
It depends on whom 'who' is!
Who said it was not recognized?
It depends on whom 'who' is!
I understand the Fisher buggie weight thing, but I just want to be clear on the production engine thing. 3-rotors are not production engines (in the US), but many pro cars run them.
the 4 rotor 26B Marcos Acosta was reportedly to be testing was not a production engine in any country.
basically, what I'm asking is; If Fisher added weight to his car, it should be eligible to compete in various import racing santioning bodies correct? I wouldn't mind seeing a VW mixing it up with the rest of the Pro class.
Speaking of VW, what ever happened to that VW powered rail from PR that was running high 7's a while back? and i think EIP had a VR6 powered rail as well. Where is the Auto World 20B powered rail?
hmmm, nex year we could have a import rail class , kinda like top fuel.
i wanna see what some SERIOUS HP on a light *** rail will do. Somebody bought auto world's rail, what are they doing with it?! CJ, (PP13bN2O) I thought you were gonna find out the whereabouts of that car for me? Roan
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06-05-02, 03:53 PM
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Crisspeed,you mean to tell me that in order for a time to be recognized that time has to be ran twice?Is that to make sure the first time wasnt a mistake?
What tranni are Abel and Siguel using?
What tranni are Abel and Siguel using?
06-05-02, 04:28 PM
#50
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Originally posted by SPEED_NYC
no, I asked why WAS it recognised if non-production engines are not allowed?
I understand the Fisher buggie weight thing, but I just want to be clear on the production engine thing. 3-rotors are not production engines (in the US), but many pro cars run them.
the 4 rotor 26B Marcos Acosta was reportedly to be testing was not a production engine in any country.
basically, what I'm asking is; If Fisher added weight to his car, it should be eligible to compete in various import racing santioning bodies correct? I wouldn't mind seeing a VW mixing it up with the rest of the Pro class.
Speaking of VW, what ever happened to that VW powered rail from PR that was running high 7's a while back? and i think EIP had a VR6 powered rail as well. Where is the Auto World 20B powered rail?
hmmm, nex year we could have a import rail class , kinda like top fuel. i wanna see what some SERIOUS HP on a light *** rail will do. Somebody bought auto world's rail, what are they doing with it?! CJ, (PP13bN2O) I thought you were gonna find out the whereabouts of that car for me?
Roan
no, I asked why WAS it recognised if non-production engines are not allowed?
I understand the Fisher buggie weight thing, but I just want to be clear on the production engine thing. 3-rotors are not production engines (in the US), but many pro cars run them.
the 4 rotor 26B Marcos Acosta was reportedly to be testing was not a production engine in any country.
basically, what I'm asking is; If Fisher added weight to his car, it should be eligible to compete in various import racing santioning bodies correct? I wouldn't mind seeing a VW mixing it up with the rest of the Pro class.
Speaking of VW, what ever happened to that VW powered rail from PR that was running high 7's a while back? and i think EIP had a VR6 powered rail as well. Where is the Auto World 20B powered rail?
hmmm, nex year we could have a import rail class , kinda like top fuel.
i wanna see what some SERIOUS HP on a light *** rail will do. Somebody bought auto world's rail, what are they doing with it?! CJ, (PP13bN2O) I thought you were gonna find out the whereabouts of that car for me? Roan
All the sanctioning bodies have different rules concerning accepted motors and chassis and fuel type used etc.
For eg. The 3-rotor is accepted by most but the 4-rotor is not accepted by the NHRA! Also rails and funny car type chassis burning Nitromethane are allowed by the VW import sanctioning bodies
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