BATMAN

Some of u may have seen this.

But I was talking to an engineer at NASA that I meet at a party last week and he said that he feels that it works.

He went on to say that he installed a unit on his Chopper and noticed that MPG and pwer increased.

The theory was that fuel is positively charged.

THis pushes the molecules apart in the combubstion chamber, thus resulting in more surface area being exposed to air for a better combustion event.

It's basically a similar principle to holding 2 positive ends of a magnet and feeling them push apart.

Anyone guinea pig this?


http://www.cuttingedgefleet.com/purepower.html

http://www.naturesalternatives.com/energy/fuel.html

Fatman0203

Are those two you listed good or bad? In the sense are they proven? 2nd does the FD require Small or Large Version?

BATMAN

I would go for the large one since the fuel moves pretty fast through the lines.

We suck up gas like a V-8

At any rate the NASA engineer said that the "finer" the mist or better the atomization of the fuel the better the burn and less carbon builds up.

He noticed that when he changed the oil and later on opened up his engine to look inside.

Said that it was noticeble cleaner.

He said that carbon build up hurts the engine for these reasons:

- absorbs heat and gas (this can act as a detonation point)

- the physical presence of carbon "artificially increases the compression ratio of the combustion chamber since it's mass

- Carbon is abrasive

- On surfaces it acts like an insulator and reduce the effective heat transfer - cooling system effeciencies.

spoolin93r1

i've seen those on a lot of japanese road race cars, but have always wondered how safe they really are

c00lduke

for only 85 bucks it would be worth it just for **** and giggles. Do the fuel lines run though this or what?

Kento

Absolute, positively, completely SNAKE OIL.

It's actually kinda ironic. 15 years ago when I was roadracing motorcycles, a NASA engineer friend of mine (I'm not kidding) convinced me to try a fuel ionizer he developed for the same reasons. I figured the guy's a "rocket scientist", so I said what the hell, and tried it. Granted, a motorcycle's power-to-weight ratio is pretty large, so even a small power increase would be noticeable. I installed the thing midway through the season, and left it there until the end of the year. Result? A huge, monster, massive ZERO. I felt no power change whatsoever, and my lap times stayed the same. When we disassembled the top end after five races, there was the same carbon buildup that we'd usually see in the exhaust ports.

Yeah, in theory it makes a bit of sense. But in practical application, no. Do not waste your money.

spyfish007

Guys like this usually sell amway ..... sorry I just couldn't resist.

4CN Air

iTrader: (7)

So I should use this in conjunction WITH my snake oil?

neofreak

top it off with some placebos too.

Rhode_Dog

you mean something like this batman?

gcthree

The guy's chopper is probably has an archaic carb, which isn't a very good atomizer, and maybe this 'thing' actually helped. Later high pressure fuel injection systems do a very good job of atomizing fuel, and results are insignificant. Look for it on HSN.....

XSTransAm

My engineering professor just showed me some interesting things yesterday that our college is currently working on. One of them is spark plugs that dont use the typical diod/arching mechinism and instead a plasma thingi (im not completely sure how it works) he said that the plugs when fired completely ignight the fuel resulting in a 20% increase of fuel economy, and more power too.

He said the problem with getting something like this to market is that spark plug manufacturers are stocked 5 years ahead and no one wants to let new technology like this get to market, he also that that these plugs are so good that there is no reason they couldent be molded in to the head of an engine.

we also have a crankless piston engine that puts out 280hp and weighs 230lbs and this weird engine that looks kinda like a big bowl and has sleevs that move as it spins... also light and powerful

behind all these cool toys he had a 12a rotary engine taken apart (which i loved to see) but he didnt say anything about it

BATMAN

Yep, that's pretty much it.

RacerXtreme7

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I work at NASA (LaRC aka: Langley Research Center) here in Virginia. I was involved in several tests using these fuel "ionizers". We tested a small block Chevy v8 (Carter carb), small 2 cycle Sachs single cylinder (83cc), our own 2 cylinder 2 cycle miniature helicopter engines ( opposed twin 40 cc). The small block was tested on a water brake dyno and the smaller engines were inertial dyno’ed using a flywheel type weight the motors had to spin up. A Chrysler v8 (355 cid?) and Ford inline 6 (300 cid) was also road tested in vehicles and our results for all test was ZERO. NO improved power, NO improved economy, NO difference in emissions. We used 5 versions of the same "ionizers". We used standard pump gas and tried different grades and octane ratings. The single cylinder Sachs test was standard pump (2 stroke oil added) and we also configured this engine for heavy fuels (diesel aka: JP-4, 5 or 6). My impression is it’s a waste of time and money and I’ll put it up there with those “Tornado” inlet stationary fan gizmos. Maybe further development in these “ionizers” may result in something actually working to the point it can be measured someday?? As of now there junk.

~Mike.................


These test were done approximately 5-7 years ago, so I can't speak of these "new" ones or if there has been any actual development sense then.

BATMAN

XSTransAm,

Do u happen to go to the University of Maryland?

XSTransAm

nah, im in morgantown West Virginia University.

not my first choice of schools, but i think the stigma preceeds it.

j9fd3s

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lmao, batman has the tornado too!

BATMAN

Left-handed air-guitar players

wakeech

can you electrostatically charge a non-conductive, non-polar organic molecule in the first place??

fastrotaries

If you could charge it, wouldn't it want to stick to the manifold, and such. Seeing how they're metallic and grounded? I just don't really see the logic here.

rotarypower101

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I like the pic for the FD3S “as close to the fuel injector as possible for best results” about 2 feet away from the closest injector.

These have been proven on the dyno with accurate equipment to not work at all!
Kinda like that black box filled with potting material and tinfoil with a fuse in it that is supposed to reduce interference and give better HP

drago86

I agree how can a non polar molecule be ionized?

wwilliam54

wwilliam54

by ignorance and money

fc1jz

If I want better fuel atomization, I usually walk around the car 7 times humming the theme song from Laverne and Shirley.

This may be considered "old fashioned" but I get good results.