Experiences with rotary aviation (RA) seals
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Experiences with rotary aviation (RA) seals
As the title states, I'm looking for feedback from those using the RA seals. How many, and what type of miles are your engines currently seeing? Is your car primarily tracked or daily driven? What fuel upgrades, how much boost, what temps (WI?), compression, starting problems exist and so on. If any outside mods are attributed to the longevity of the seals, and/or have created problems, please note them as well. Ideally, experiences from those running large ports in the 15-17psi ranges would be great.
Through some earlier research, I found that there was a batch of defective seals, but supposedly they've also taken the appropriate steps in order to fix the earlier problems. I haven’t managed to get on the phone with anyone there yet, but comments from those running that batch of seals, and later would be nice. Most of the qualitative information from the previous RA thread existed from earlier in the year, but the link is provided below:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...aviation+seals
Any constructive thoughts/input from those not running the seals (or alternatives and the reasoning behind them) are welcome as well, as it’s all up for discussion.
Through some earlier research, I found that there was a batch of defective seals, but supposedly they've also taken the appropriate steps in order to fix the earlier problems. I haven’t managed to get on the phone with anyone there yet, but comments from those running that batch of seals, and later would be nice. Most of the qualitative information from the previous RA thread existed from earlier in the year, but the link is provided below:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...aviation+seals
Any constructive thoughts/input from those not running the seals (or alternatives and the reasoning behind them) are welcome as well, as it’s all up for discussion.
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From: FL-->NJ/NYC again!
I kind of wish that I had RA seals in my motor right now. I have these new oem 2 piece 2mm seals in it, and after hearing all the horror stories I don't feel like turning up the boost
#3
Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
I kind of wish that I had RA seals in my motor right now. I have these new oem 2 piece 2mm seals in it, and after hearing all the horror stories I don't feel like turning up the boost
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From: FL-->NJ/NYC again!
Originally Posted by Gargamel
They can't be any worse that the hurleys so there's something positive for ya...
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
I kind of wish that I had RA seals in my motor right now. I have these new oem 2 piece 2mm seals in it, and after hearing all the horror stories I don't feel like turning up the boost
horror stories? where have i been, did i miss something?
are people having problems with the new 2 piece mazda seals?
matt
#6
The current 2mm 2 piece seals are giving out on our boosted engines...especially considering the fact that most people are looking to run more than 10psi. Mazda no longer makes the 3 piece seals for our cars, and to my knowledge you'd have to find a source outside of the US for them. I'm taking this option, yet also looking at the RA seals which seem to be promising...considering the limited amount of options (my other more expensive option being custom work using a 3mm seal).
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From: FL-->NJ/NYC again!
Originally Posted by now
horror stories? where have i been, did i miss something?
are people having problems with the new 2 piece mazda seals?
matt
are people having problems with the new 2 piece mazda seals?
matt
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Yup, the hurleys are made out of Play-doh. Thing is, I can see some shop out in the UK putting out a product like that, but Mazda? Quite a load of bullshit.
Then they call themselves motor engineers.
Anyway i've built two engines with the RA seals, one has done about 1000miles but is near stock, both run well though and started instantly when first run, no probs. yet but don't know how they'll hold at anything higher than mild tuning.
My t78 engine has the oem 2-piece seals
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From: FL-->NJ/NYC again!
Originally Posted by rex u.k
My t78 engine has the oem 2-piece seals
Rich
#12
Seems like people are having success with the RA seals, but I'm still on the fence about them. Anyone with experiences above 10k miles would be great.
rex u.k.
Can you give some more detail on your t78 setup? Basically any info from the questions I asked in the original post would be great.
Using others as the test mule eh? lol j/k I sent you a PM btw.
rex u.k.
Can you give some more detail on your t78 setup? Basically any info from the questions I asked in the original post would be great.
Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
...after hearing all the horror stories I don't feel like turning up the boost
Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Be sure to post up your experiences as you run more boost.
Rich
Rich
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I wish I was driving!
Joined: Dec 2001
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From: BC, Canada
I've built a few engines using the RA seals with more than 10K miles on them with various different mods.
They're holding 18 psi and 200+ nitrous shots for me... I am using them exclusively now when budget limits the use of ceramics.
They're holding 18 psi and 200+ nitrous shots for me... I am using them exclusively now when budget limits the use of ceramics.
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From: Where there's only two seasons, hot and wet! I love Okinawa
I recently blew my motor (again). After 10 months of daily driving and over 10k miles of hard launces and 9k shifts I tore the motor down( blew because of ignition). My rotors sustained large amounts of damage. The rotor face had HUGE dents in it. The corner seals were pinched. The RA Seals survived. The ONLY thing I found wrong with the seals were flat spots caused by MY PORTING of the exhaust port. I did NOT bevel the closing face completely and they left a small flat spot on the apex seals.
I will be using these seals from now on(unless someone can find me some ceramics for cheap)
I will be using these seals from now on(unless someone can find me some ceramics for cheap)
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From: UK
I had an experiance with Ra Seals, when i rebuilt one of my first motors i replaced the CAS in the wrong place (cupple of teath out) it started quite well but when i went to reverse (Put load on it) it sounded like someone had put a bag of nails throught the inlet. (Pinked very loud and hard).
That engine is still running now with a Hybrid Turbo and some other goodies (Proberly about 320hp), that must have around 15k on it now.
I am a 100% for RA seals, Plus Bruce is a cool guy and has put some nice kits together.
Chris
That engine is still running now with a Hybrid Turbo and some other goodies (Proberly about 320hp), that must have around 15k on it now.
I am a 100% for RA seals, Plus Bruce is a cool guy and has put some nice kits together.
Chris
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Originally Posted by jspecracer7
I recently blew my motor (again). After 10 months of daily driving and over 10k miles of hard launces and 9k shifts I tore the motor down( blew because of ignition). My rotors sustained large amounts of damage. The rotor face had HUGE dents in it. The corner seals were pinched. The RA Seals survived. The ONLY thing I found wrong with the seals were flat spots caused by MY PORTING of the exhaust port. I did NOT bevel the closing face completely and they left a small flat spot on the apex seals.
I will be using these seals from now on(unless someone can find me some ceramics for cheap)
I will be using these seals from now on(unless someone can find me some ceramics for cheap)
What ignition system we're you running by the way ?
RGDS
#20
Ouch.
Impressed the seals stood up to it though. I'm still undecided between those and the stock 2mm 2 piece seals for 1.7 bar on t51r ???
I was checking your car out yesterday actually on the cardomain site looks really good.
rgds
Impressed the seals stood up to it though. I'm still undecided between those and the stock 2mm 2 piece seals for 1.7 bar on t51r ???
I was checking your car out yesterday actually on the cardomain site looks really good.
rgds
#21
I should add that on my last motor, that grenaded, one mazda 2 mm seal chipped at the corner, the rest survived, even though the rotors were dented...
I think the mazda 2mm's are alot tougher the people give them credit for, they are the best sealing seal I have to date..Max
I think the mazda 2mm's are alot tougher the people give them credit for, they are the best sealing seal I have to date..Max
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