Converting a T-56 Tranni on a 3rd Gen...One Question.
How well does the T-56 bolt up to the 3rd gen?Probably the same as the 2nd gen I would imagine. Whats needed for installation on a 3rd gen?
All that is needed is a coverting plate and a modified drive shaft correct? |
T5s are weak too...
*edit by Greg* He meant T-56 tranny |
For how long? :)
Some people run 10's on the stock N/A RX-7 tranny... I wouldn't try to do that without some sort of partnership with a junkyard :) |
I thought T5's were pretty strong?
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Most are only rated up to 450lb-ft of torque...
-Ted |
The T-5 is rated to 300lb-ft but even still they don't last long behind even stock 5.0s (which have 300lb-ft peak) once you start driving "enthusiastically".
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Even a T56 isn't much better if you can't shift for shit.
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OK, for auto trannys, what about the turbo 350?
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Yeah what about the turbo 350?
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Isn't the 3rd gen tranny good to like 500 ft/lbs of torque?
Why not look into a straight cut gearset? -Zach |
Straight cut hear set?What d you mean?
I dont want my 5 speed anymore,I think I will get better ET's with an auto.... |
Well if you want an auto then nevermind :)
-Zach |
Originally posted by VELCRO SHOES Straight cut hear set?What d you mean? I dont want my 5 speed anymore,I think I will get better ET's with an auto.... |
Around how much are a set of straight cut gears? Also what about Richmond Gear trannys, does anyone know anything about those? Any suggestions on a really strong manual tranny for drag?
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Welll usually you can pick up a straight cut gearset for ~2-4K... I imaging ones for the FD would be on the high side of things..
-Zach |
Originally posted by fdracer Around how much are a set of straight cut gears? Also what about Richmond Gear trannys, does anyone know anything about those? Any suggestions on a really strong manual tranny for drag? |
Originally posted by 13BAce Summit sells Richmond 6 speed transmissions, and they rate them for 450 ft.-lbs. of torque. |
The Mustang tranny's pretty much go as follows: T5=stock
Tremec=better than stock Tremec TKO=used by many drag racers with good results T56=great tranny but crappy shifting from what i'm told My bet would be a TKO if your gonna go stick....the t56 would be too hard to match up IMO. I'd say a stock T5 would be equal or close to our 3rd gen stockers. Our motors don't make alot or torque anyway right?? |
Originally posted by 13BAce Summit sells Richmond 6 speed transmissions, and they rate them for 450 ft.-lbs. of torque. Also in Japan the AXIA Sports Strait cut DOGG gear set is about 4k, the only problem is it still uses the stock shift linkage that sucks... I've broken 4 transmissions now going from 2nd to 3rd, It linkage likes to catch 3rd and 5th at the same time and shrapnel the 5th gear locking collar and syncros, usually breaking the Reverse Syncro at the same time and this has really been pissing me off... I love the Guru dogg mission, but 5k+ is really hard to come up with.. |
They should have the same bolt pattern/input shaft as a Super T10 (GM) or a Ford Toploader (Ford).
If you can find adapters to adapt a T10 to a rotary, then you can use a GM-pattern Richmond. Interestingly, the Richmond trannies (5 and 6 speed) are based off of the Super T10 four-speed, which they bought from Doug Nash, who bought it from... grr go on and shoot me 'cos I can't remember. I'd like to say either Dana or Muncie. Anyway, it's the same basic trans as used in many GMs as well as most Corvettes up to the 6-speed era. Corvettes never had 5-speeds, the C4 started out with a 4-speed with an electric overdrive on the top three gears (4+3 trans). AFAIK it was the last time a true overdrive was used in a passenger car. Anyway the T10 type trans is still used in circle track racing - it's kind of generic now. |
Borg Warner maybe? Yeah, that's it...
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Originally posted by peejay They should have the same bolt pattern/input shaft as a Super T10 (GM) or a Ford Toploader (Ford). If you can find adapters to adapt a T10 to a rotary, then you can use a GM-pattern Richmond. |
Isn't the problem with the 6-spd tranny is our tunnel? Have you seen the 6-spds size compared to ours? It's huge! If you want a truly stout 6spd go to the Viper T56 (500lbs).......but it's huge. I'm talking to a guy who built the Mustang adapter for the T56 to see if it's worth it to build one for the FD. I don't want to have to bang away at the tranny tunnel.....and i want the shifter in the stock setting.
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not to mention no more power plant frame... so you'd have to do somthing with the diff... Man I wish the guru mission gear/linkage/shifter set was cheaper...
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Dragon: tell me about it! They (Guru) were supposed to show me the setup when they came to the states but they never called. I was gonna buy the set they brought!
Oh well.....i'm gonna find something! I'm in the process of finding an auto tranny for a Supra also. |
The guru tranny set + new bearings from mazda and shipping will run about 6k or so and I is Poor.... at least to poor to just go out and get one... I may have to save and try to get the Axia sports gear set for 4K...
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4K?
F' that I rather have a Richmond 4+1 $1,800 plus shifter there gears are loud but with the right shifter you can shift with out the clutch theres a vid of a TII with it lost the link tho |
That's not the $1800 richmond :) That's a pro-shifted (or was it a full-on dog gear setup?) Doug Nash :) The $1800 Richmond is a regular old synchro tranny, no clutchless bang shifts there!
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Originally posted by peejay The $1800 Richmond is a regular old synchro tranny, no clutchless bang shifts there! |
Originally posted by kabooski 4K? F' that I rather have a Richmond 4+1 $1,800 plus shifter there gears are loud but with the right shifter you can shift with out the clutch theres a vid of a TII with it lost the link tho |
I don't know but I could swear
Exit and Crispeed are using the same Transmission The Richmond 4+1 transmission https://www.jegs.com/photos/836705.jpg Jegs and Summit only list one type of 4+1 It is the seguential(Pro) shifter that makes it semi-clutchless as I understand it |
Originally posted by kabooski I don't know but I could swear Exit and Crispeed are using the same Transmission The Richmond 4+1 transmission https://www.jegs.com/photos/836705.jpg Jegs and Summit only list one type of 4+1 It is the seguential(Pro) shifter that makes it semi-clutchless as I understand it |
yes That is why the 4+1 is a street/strip tranny
It is tame enough for the street strong and qucik shifting for the Track |
Originally posted by kabooski I don't know but I could swear Exit and Crispeed are using the same Transmission |
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I'll do you one better :) :
Originally posted by crispeed I'm running the Dougnash/Richmond 4+1 5-speed pro-shifted version. The pro shifted version come with straight-cut gears and dog-synchros! Hey Evil Aviator I don't think the Mazda comp tranny can handle the torque of the 20B motor! The T-56 can handle a lot of torque but they shift like grannys once they get above 6500rpm:) One of the best road race trannys out there and one that a buddy of mines is using in his 3-rotor road race car is made by a company called Zanes, not to sure about the spelling though.:) The tranny has a quick change design and is very strong and sfifts up and down without the clutch. crispeed 87TII 9.20@150mph |
LoL :)
Ok but it is the $1,800 4+1 with opitional gears How much more are the cut/dog sync/gears? |
Lots :)
The ram-rod/front-back gate shifter he uses has nothing to do with being able to shift clutchless, (neither does a sequential shifter) it just makes it easier to not miss a shift! BTW if $4k is too much, Quaife has a 6-speed setup for the T2 transmission, it has straight cut gears and the beefiest dogs on the gears that I've ever seen, and it only costs about $7000! ($4k is a bargain now isn't it? :) ) |
If you want 'beefy' check out the GURU set, sorry to put down the quaife but they are chalk and cheese re the quality and strength.
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But at least it costs a lot, right? :)
Hmm, good point though... what kind of warranty does the Guru set-up offer? IIRC the Quaife goods have an unconditional lifetime warranty. |
twister: i was supposed to see the Guru gearset when Kelvin(??) was coming to the states. They asked me my # and said they'd call but never did. I was rather disappointed.....
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Hi,
I just spoke to Rohan re that, they went to E-town for the drags about 6 weeks ago, they finished up only having a stopover at LAX, most of the time was spent in NY & Texas. I am sorry about Rohan not contacting you but he will be back in the states later in the year he said, so hopefully he will get more time on your side of the states to come and see you and some of the other guys. |
Originally posted by peejay But at least it costs a lot, right? :) Hmm, good point though... what kind of warranty does the Guru set-up offer? IIRC the Quaife goods have an unconditional lifetime warranty. |
I think the viper tranny is the best way to go with a street car thats raced often. Modified Vipers with 650+ hp still use the stock tranny effectivly and reliably. There is no need for a 4k+ tranny that will not be comfortable to drive in street use. With the Viper tranny you can still have the smooth clutch assisted shifting and keep the car noise free but still hold 600 hp. Plus you can brag to your friends and tell them that you have a Viper tranny :)
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Originally posted by Greg I think the viper tranny is the best way to go with a street car thats raced often. Modified Vipers with 650+ hp still use the stock tranny effectivly and reliably. There is no need for a 4k+ tranny that will not be comfortable to drive in street use. With the Viper tranny you can still have the smooth clutch assisted shifting and keep the car noise free but still hold 600 hp. Plus you can brag to your friends and tell them that you have a Viper tranny :) |
Get a bell housing adapter made, longer imput shaft (I think that Mike Long or Mark Williams can help out on that), New drive shaft, custom mounts. Im not sure how the tranny will line up with the stock shifter position so you migh have to modify the interior. If you know someone that fucks with fiberglass then you can make a new center console that will fit with the shifter position. You could even make a few to sell :). Could you imagine 600 rwhp and smooth transitional shifting onthe street WHOOOHOOOO!!! Sounds like the ultimate street car :), And not to mention the 6th gear for gas saving :D
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Originally posted by Greg Get a bell housing adapter made, longer imput shaft (I think that Mike Long or Mark Williams can help out on that), New drive shaft, custom mounts. Im not sure how the tranny will line up with the stock shifter position so you migh have to modify the interior. If you know someone that fucks with fiberglass then you can make a new center console that will fit with the shifter position. You could even make a few to sell :). Could you imagine 600 rwhp and smooth transitional shifting onthe street WHOOOHOOOO!!! Sounds like the ultimate street car :), And not to mention the 6th gear for gas saving :D |
Originally posted by 13BAce Isn't the Viper transmission a T-56? |
Originally posted by Greg yes sir :) |
Originally posted by 13BAce I think they used the stock transmission in the 850 HP twin turbo car. |
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