ska3260

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Here are the last couple conversations you be the judge.


"So as you can tell I am having one hell of a time finding some time to come get the rims. Would you be willing to box them up and ship them? If so how much?




i'll have to checkinto it again what your zip etc, and i'll get a shipping quote


So whats the word?


well its been over 120 days, they are now gone."
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Heisenberg

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Were there any conversations before that or did he contact you saying to come pick them up? I dont know the details of your transaction but if he has no documented or signed paperwork showing you only had 90 days to come pick the wheels up I say take his *** to small claims. Its pretty bullshit if you were trying to make arrangments to have the wheels shipped and he traded them out from under you.

ska3260

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yeah just the prlim sales but no mention of a time period to pick up the rims. I just put my claim through to Paypal's resolution center, I also have hard copies of all the conversations between use since the first contact and also the recipt from paypal.....so time will tell

MiataTurbo

Legally, the seller did not contact the buyer with a notice of abandonment. The seller is obligated to contact the buyer in writing and give a timeline for removal before disposal. Since the seller did not do this, he is liable for the property and needs to refund the buyer in full. Since storage fees were not part of the original contract, they can not be charged.

Furthermore, since the seller obviously runs a parts business, his excuse that they were in his way is not reasonable. He had no right to sell someone else's property. A refund in full (minus paypal fee) is due the buyer.

This would be a slam dunk in small claims court. It would probably settle in arbitration before you see a judge.

MiataTurbo

gxl87turbo you are knowingly in possesion of stolen property.

Luke_Tech

Luke Tech Motorsports as of 10-28-06 was no long in business. so what do we do now???? it was stated in the paper that this business was no more, as is not legally responsible of any debt therefore all debt has been paid.

MiataTurbo

Filing for legal protection is NOT the same thing as paying off debt. I was trying to be neutral, but it's obvious that you are a drain on society. It's because of you that I pay higher interest rates and fees. This shows your character, or namely your lack of.

WE do nothing. YOU man up and pay the guy back the money you stole from him before he wins judgement against you. If I were bar certified in your state, I would offer my services to the buyer free of charge. Including paying my own travel expenses.

ska3260

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Thank you greatly for your imput MiataTurbo. The one thing I am kind of foggy on is in what state should I contact the police in? I live i Michigan and he lives in Indiana. I think I will wait to see if paypal deals with this in there own way first which I belive is arbitration before I proceed with criminal charges. I would rather see this ended here with a refund and some honor between car owners, and showing some dignity. I am not here to bad mouth anyone I just want either my product or my money back. If tarnishing your reputation happens in the process then you brought it upon yourself.

mbaha

Gee I wonder why your business when **** up??? Maybe you are afucktard? Maybe you steal your customer’s money?

Kevin T. Wyum

ROFLMAO if only it were that easy!

The bad news for Luke. There's no listing in the state for any corporation, Limited Liability Company or limited partnership with the name Luke Tech Motorsports, Luke Tech anything. It's public record look it up. As such you can't simply say, "duh I'm out of business I don't owe it anymore." Unless you were registered under a different name you are PERSONALLY LIABLE and can't get out of it short of filing bankruptcy. Unfortunately the bankruptcy laws are pretty harsh now and even that wouldn't get you out of it, you have to enter into limited repayment like Chapter 13 used to be.



I almost pissed in my pants when I read the line, " was stated in the paper that this business was no more, as is not legally responsible of any debt therefore all debt has been paid."



You are a piece of filth scammer aren't you? You went from trying to justify it because he didn't pick it up to your being out of business as an excuse to steal the money. Well sorry to tell you halfwit it doesn't work that way. Unless you were doing business as a corporation or registered limited liability entity you're screwed no matter what went out of business. The corporate veil does not apply to those who are not corporations.



Hypothetically even if you were a corporation and went out of business nothing would magically be considered as paid. Are you some clown from the hood? The debt would go into collections until they decided it was uncollectible and then it would be charged off as a bad debt and unpaid. The cool part is in this case if this guy can get the judgment and transcribe it to district court it's going to go on your credit report for the next 7 years and kill your chances of getting any credit as well as allowing him to get a writ and levy any bank accounts and even garnish wages at your employer if your state allows it. That means he sends it to your bank and they just take the money out of your account. Better yet he gets to add the costs of doing all this to the amount he collects from you.



It's amazing how stupid you people are, you people being the clods thinking they can just steal money from people.

Kevin T. Wyum

jamespond24

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It must be that holiday scam season again? Refund his money idiot!

eriksseven

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Luke Tech, you owe me $150...

ska3260

iTrader: (1)

do I hear class action coming?

MiataTurbo

Non-public specifics sent PM.

Publicly:
I would start by contacting the state Beurau of Investigation. They typically will have an Internet Crimes division. Since it's looking like he frauded multiple victims, I'm sure they'll be interested in the case. You may wish to put a feeler out to see if you can find other alleged victims.

The criminal and civil matters will be dealt with seperatly. Go ahead and file in small claims. Like I wrote earlier, I think this will settle before you get to the judge. If not, Luke will cover the court fee when judgement is made against him.

Good luck.

MiataTurbo

Luke: While nothing is a 100% gaurantee, ska has an airtight case. If he procedes to sue in small claims court, he will win. When he does, you'll *at minimum* be stuck with an additional $100-150 in court costs on top of repayment of the initial sale. Be honorable, and clear your name now. Or keep the bad reputation, and pay for it later at small claims.

Admittingly, I don't have great feelings towards you. Honestly, I think you're a scumbag. However, the above statement is factual and perspective nuetral.

Carzy Driver

Sounds like it's time to file a claim with IC3. I have had to use them before simply because things get done when the FBI gets involved.

http://www.ic3.gov/

ska3260

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thanks crazy driver. I think I will give Luke Tech the weekend to think about what is going on first then come monday if it is not resolved I will begin with the legal system. Appreciate your input, thanks.

Indyparts

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ska3260

iTrader: (1)

yes indyparts you got somthing to add? :-)

robrxray

Ihave Had Trouble With Him Last Christmas For My First Purchase Of Parts. Would Not Refund Money And Then All His Cronies Jumped In Here On Forum Until They Finally Saw I Wouldn't Back Down , But Got Stuck With **** Parts And No Refund. Then Claimed He Was Out Of Business. I Do Have A Family Lawyer And Will Enter The Class Action Against This Yahoo.
Karma Luke, Or Whoever You Are, Karma M-f**ker
Please Pm Me On Any Civil Proceedings And Indyparts Was One Of His Main Business Partners And Some Others I Can Name On This Forum

rx7roller02

Youre not that smart are you??

Apparently, we now know why your business failed....someone who is this clueless about the basic laws relating to your business doesnt have much chance of being successful.

The fact is that you are still just as responsible for any debts you incurred as you would be if you were still in business. Have fun in court with this version of intelligence you display--I would almost pay to be there just to see how badly you get owned in court...

Indyparts

iTrader: (16)

RobXRay - You can keep your thoughts of me to yourself. You and I have never done business so don't make any assumptions. I am not a business partner of Luke. I put my "..." into the thread just so that I would get notified when people responded. I am just curious where it was going.

Kevin T. Wyum

Think people misunderstand the function of a class action heh. If Luke had millions upon millions of dollars and hundreds or thousands of people had been defrauded by him then some dirtball attorneys would manage to steal the bulk of the repayment while claiming to be fighting for the rights of all those thousands who end up getting $0.40 or better yet a coupon for services from the place you got ripped off by in the first place. : ) Class action suits are about the biggest scam there is.

ska3260

iTrader: (1)

ok sorry about that miss understanding Mr. Kevin T. Wyum I am just trying to think about the best for all of us. But when I file with IC3 I will mention it is with more then one buyer. Thank you for your input like always it is much appreciated. Thank you.

robrxray

yes I know the difference between class action type of suit and small claims, the IC3.gov must be internet fraud related. ska pm me with details

Indyparts, you manage to get involved in every Luketech dispute, of course i wouldn't do business with a friend of Lukes, duh

good ole boy Indiana crap

i have a pm from luke stating how you had parts that he was selling