Power FC Looks Like the FC Datalogit Is Ready
01-08-02, 09:33 PM
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Looks Like the FC Datalogit Is Ready
If you are a member of the group, check it out. If you are not, you might want to see if you can still join the group.
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All of the screens are ready and seem to show every aspect of what the ECU can control. The "Box" is ready too! It seems like there is nothing missing.
Yay!
I just got my car back from the body shop, so I'm ready!
Yahoo e-groups
All of the screens are ready and seem to show every aspect of what the ECU can control. The "Box" is ready too! It seems like there is nothing missing.
Yay!
I just got my car back from the body shop, so I'm ready!
Last edited by atihun; 01-08-02 at 09:40 PM.
01-09-02, 09:52 AM
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Datalogit update.
Live chart tracer / log graph software has been added to Datalogit,
the logging component of FC-Edit.
You will now be able to chart your logs live and review past logs
without the hassle of transferring the logs to Excel.
You can still use Excel if you wish to do some extra analysis of your
logs.
The Beta testing in N.Z is now finished.
We made a few changes and have released a few units for international
Beta testing.
All going well we will take orders from this e-group from the first
of Feb.
Anyone on this group by the last day of Jan will be able to purchase
at a introductory price of US$280.00 including postage anywhere in
the world.
Datalogit includes;
1 x FC-Box with mini din lead and 4 additional input (one for a
wideband) and 4 switch posts (one for a remote "change boost on the
fly" switch and one for antilag).
1 x CD with FC-Edit and Datalogit software and the user manual.
1 x serial cable
The FC-Box has a socket for Commander connection. (Commander not
included
)
Check the Datalogit e-group page for a picture of an FC-Box.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/datalogit/
Payment can now be made by PayPal.
We will accept advance payments now for orders from Datalogit e-group
members only and delivery will be after Feb 1st (to allow for the
International Beta testing).
To make an advanced purchase;
Send a payment of US$280 via PayPal to this e-mail address
glen@rx7.net.nz
Send an email to the same address indicating that you have made a
payment to PayPal.
Include in the e-mail;
The e-mail address you made payment from.
You Full Name
The physical address you would like the Datalogit sent to when it's
ready.
You will receive the user Manual by return e-mail as receipt of
payment.
The time has come, Datalogit is here...
Glen & Steve
Live chart tracer / log graph software has been added to Datalogit,
the logging component of FC-Edit.
You will now be able to chart your logs live and review past logs
without the hassle of transferring the logs to Excel.
You can still use Excel if you wish to do some extra analysis of your
logs.
The Beta testing in N.Z is now finished.
We made a few changes and have released a few units for international
Beta testing.
All going well we will take orders from this e-group from the first
of Feb.
Anyone on this group by the last day of Jan will be able to purchase
at a introductory price of US$280.00 including postage anywhere in
the world.
Datalogit includes;
1 x FC-Box with mini din lead and 4 additional input (one for a
wideband) and 4 switch posts (one for a remote "change boost on the
fly" switch and one for antilag).
1 x CD with FC-Edit and Datalogit software and the user manual.
1 x serial cable
The FC-Box has a socket for Commander connection. (Commander not
included
)Check the Datalogit e-group page for a picture of an FC-Box.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/datalogit/
Payment can now be made by PayPal.
We will accept advance payments now for orders from Datalogit e-group
members only and delivery will be after Feb 1st (to allow for the
International Beta testing).
To make an advanced purchase;
Send a payment of US$280 via PayPal to this e-mail address
glen@rx7.net.nz
Send an email to the same address indicating that you have made a
payment to PayPal.
Include in the e-mail;
The e-mail address you made payment from.
You Full Name
The physical address you would like the Datalogit sent to when it's
ready.
You will receive the user Manual by return e-mail as receipt of
payment.
The time has come, Datalogit is here...
Glen & Steve
01-09-02, 10:47 AM
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Im so lost!
Is this package offering any other options/adjustments other than what the commander does?
I understand it datalogs..........but is that it? I mean if it doesnt make tuning any easier than it is now (w/ the commander) what good is seeing what its doin or how its making its power?
Is this package offering any other options/adjustments other than what the commander does?
I understand it datalogs..........but is that it? I mean if it doesnt make tuning any easier than it is now (w/ the commander) what good is seeing what its doin or how its making its power?
01-09-02, 11:30 AM
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Try this out...
http://geocities.com/fdkaimember/data-log_100m.html
Should explain a little bit more about what you get access to with the software.
http://geocities.com/fdkaimember/data-log_100m.html
Should explain a little bit more about what you get access to with the software.
01-09-02, 06:08 PM
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I highly doubt this is vaporware.
I just received the Manual in PDF format from Glen. If they did all that work just for the hell of it, they are crazy. The manual walks a person through each setting, options, possible inputs and some sort of explanation.
There are also pictures of the box, its connections, and how everything is connected together.
I will ask him if I can post his pics and possibly the Manual, of if he can post it.
I just received the Manual in PDF format from Glen. If they did all that work just for the hell of it, they are crazy. The manual walks a person through each setting, options, possible inputs and some sort of explanation.
There are also pictures of the box, its connections, and how everything is connected together.
I will ask him if I can post his pics and possibly the Manual, of if he can post it.
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01-10-02, 12:20 AM
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I'd like to see pics of the box. Will it be small enough to be out of sight? Will it fit behind the kick panel where the PFC is???
I have a few questions about the wideband usage. It seems as if it is only compatible with certain widebands. Which widebands can we use with it? In "setting 5" am I correct in assuming that the wideband would show up in one of the "?" boxes???
Does the box have any onboard memory or does it have to be pluged into a laptop for datalogging?
Maybe I'll think of some more questions later but this sould do me for now.
Oh yea, I'm a Yahoo groups member but not this particular group. How do I become a member? There wasnt anywhere to sign up thru the provided link at the top of this page.
Later,
I have a few questions about the wideband usage. It seems as if it is only compatible with certain widebands. Which widebands can we use with it? In "setting 5" am I correct in assuming that the wideband would show up in one of the "?" boxes???
Does the box have any onboard memory or does it have to be pluged into a laptop for datalogging?
Maybe I'll think of some more questions later but this sould do me for now.
Oh yea, I'm a Yahoo groups member but not this particular group. How do I become a member? There wasnt anywhere to sign up thru the provided link at the top of this page.
Later,
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01-10-02, 05:39 PM
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Some answers
I'm going to answer a few questions for you guys.
Glen (Datalogit)
>>Ok I'm confused can anyone buy this or only people who are
members of the yahoo group. I want one!
We will sell to everyone latter.
First we will satisfy the members of the group. This is mainly to stop people asking us to do other models of car and limit the number of e-mails a day so we can answer the FD ones before we tackle the other models.
Join the group by the end of the month and you get the group price.
>>damn couldn't join. how can I get in on this?
>>Oh yea, I'm a Yahoo groups member but not this particular group. How do I become a member? There wasn't anywhere to sign up thru the provided link at the top of this page.
Just drop me an e-mail
glen@rx7.net.nz
And I'll add you to the group.
Then you can have a look at some pictures of the FC-Box and the manual.
>>I'd like to see pics of the box. Will it be small enough to be out of
sight? Will it fit behind the kick panel where the PFC is???
It has a couple of holes in it so you can cable tie it up under the dash somewhere. It's not very big. There are pictures on the e-group and in the manual.
>>It seems as if it is only compatible with certain widebands. Which widebands can we use with it? In "setting 5" am I correct in assuming that the wideband would show up in one of the "?" boxes???
There are 4 posts on the box for you to add and log up to 4 additional 0~5 volt inputs. which should cover all widebands?
You can add 4 x o2 sensors if you like. (Or a map sensor to check boost drop over the intercooler etc...)
The voltage for each is displayed in the monitor window.
You can chart them live in the scaleable charts. Datalogit logs what ever you chart +. You can put in scale factors to show mixture or the voltage of the sensor(s).
>>Does the box have any onboard memory or does it have to be plugged into a laptop for datalogging?
No onboard memory. You need a lap top for logging at this stage.
>>I thought this was gonna be vaporware
>>I understand it datalogs..........but is that it? I mean if it doesn't make tuning any easier than it is now (w/ the commander) what good is seeing what its doing or how its making its power?
You can put complete groups of settings in to a PFC in about 3 seconds.
Look at and adjust the maps as a whole.
The main function is to log a wideband with reference to 'P' and 'N' so you can tune you car properly.
One of the main reasons for the annoying e-group was to let users share their info latter. Lots of free space to store settings, logs, the evolving manual and updated software if required.
We have found that just giving the Datalogit to someone is not much use if they don't know what all the settings do to their engine.
It's taken us a fair while to get his far.
We spent a lot of time on the manual and will keep adding explanations of the functions.
We want to help teach you how to use it. Get the BS mystery out of tuning an FD.
Most tuners just dump in a set of maps from another car and charge you more than a Datalogit costs.
The fact is most of you know what you FD needs, you just may not know how to go about it.
Glen
Sorry about the long post, especially at the end there. I love FDs and get a bit carried away sometimes.
Any more questions just e-mail me or join the e-group and check the FAQ.
Glen (Datalogit)
>>Ok I'm confused can anyone buy this or only people who are
members of the yahoo group. I want one!
We will sell to everyone latter.
First we will satisfy the members of the group. This is mainly to stop people asking us to do other models of car and limit the number of e-mails a day so we can answer the FD ones before we tackle the other models.
Join the group by the end of the month and you get the group price.
>>damn couldn't join. how can I get in on this?
>>Oh yea, I'm a Yahoo groups member but not this particular group. How do I become a member? There wasn't anywhere to sign up thru the provided link at the top of this page.
Just drop me an e-mail
glen@rx7.net.nz
And I'll add you to the group.
Then you can have a look at some pictures of the FC-Box and the manual.
>>I'd like to see pics of the box. Will it be small enough to be out of
sight? Will it fit behind the kick panel where the PFC is???
It has a couple of holes in it so you can cable tie it up under the dash somewhere. It's not very big. There are pictures on the e-group and in the manual.
>>It seems as if it is only compatible with certain widebands. Which widebands can we use with it? In "setting 5" am I correct in assuming that the wideband would show up in one of the "?" boxes???
There are 4 posts on the box for you to add and log up to 4 additional 0~5 volt inputs. which should cover all widebands?
You can add 4 x o2 sensors if you like. (Or a map sensor to check boost drop over the intercooler etc...)
The voltage for each is displayed in the monitor window.
You can chart them live in the scaleable charts. Datalogit logs what ever you chart +. You can put in scale factors to show mixture or the voltage of the sensor(s).
>>Does the box have any onboard memory or does it have to be plugged into a laptop for datalogging?
No onboard memory. You need a lap top for logging at this stage.
>>I thought this was gonna be vaporware
>>I understand it datalogs..........but is that it? I mean if it doesn't make tuning any easier than it is now (w/ the commander) what good is seeing what its doing or how its making its power?
You can put complete groups of settings in to a PFC in about 3 seconds.
Look at and adjust the maps as a whole.
The main function is to log a wideband with reference to 'P' and 'N' so you can tune you car properly.
One of the main reasons for the annoying e-group was to let users share their info latter. Lots of free space to store settings, logs, the evolving manual and updated software if required.
We have found that just giving the Datalogit to someone is not much use if they don't know what all the settings do to their engine.
It's taken us a fair while to get his far.
We spent a lot of time on the manual and will keep adding explanations of the functions.
We want to help teach you how to use it. Get the BS mystery out of tuning an FD.
Most tuners just dump in a set of maps from another car and charge you more than a Datalogit costs.
The fact is most of you know what you FD needs, you just may not know how to go about it.
Glen
Sorry about the long post, especially at the end there. I love FDs
and get a bit carried away sometimes.Any more questions just e-mail me or join the e-group and check the FAQ.
01-16-02, 06:11 AM
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20B N/A Wide Body FC3S
I'm one of the people beta testing FC data logit... This thing is way kick ***... the actual hardware is very good quality and very profesional.. the version of the software I'm using right now is not completly finished, but the way it is right now alone already makes it way worth the $... The features they will have added by febuary when they start selling them will make make this the best tunning system on the market as far as I'm conserned... If you have a Power FC, a Laptop Computer or access to one you will love this thing...
The first thing I did when hooked it up in the car.. (It worked perfictly the first time by the way) was go in and change the fan on temp settings, hit update and bam fans kicked on.. being able to do this alone already more than pays for the system because overheating in hot weather or in traffic will never happen again... Also if the water temp is lower the oil temp will be lower and that means more bearing life... You can also go in and make the oil metering pump inject a little more oil for better lubrication of the rotor's and rotor houings for higher hp engines... The data logit in combination with the Power FC makes it by far the best fuel/ignition/boost tunning computer on the market for the FD...
This thing is sweet!
I am in love...
The first thing I did when hooked it up in the car.. (It worked perfictly the first time by the way) was go in and change the fan on temp settings, hit update and bam fans kicked on.. being able to do this alone already more than pays for the system because overheating in hot weather or in traffic will never happen again... Also if the water temp is lower the oil temp will be lower and that means more bearing life... You can also go in and make the oil metering pump inject a little more oil for better lubrication of the rotor's and rotor houings for higher hp engines... The data logit in combination with the Power FC makes it by far the best fuel/ignition/boost tunning computer on the market for the FD...
This thing is sweet!
I am in love...
01-17-02, 05:31 AM
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20B N/A Wide Body FC3S
A little more cool info on the Data logit..
#1 The commander will only let you set the rev limiter to 9999 rpm...
Well I went in to the data logit and set it to 12000 and bam 12000 rpm rev limit... the commander says 2000rpm because it can only display 4 numbers, but trust me there is no 2000rpm rev limit...
#2 The commander will only let you set the max injector size to 1500cc's.. Well I'm running 1600cc injectors in my car so we set the injector size to 1600cc's and wala my Power FC now knows it's running 1600cc injectors and it even displays 1600cc on the commander...
PS... It was Igy's Idea to try these modifications and he wanted to post this, and he's probably going to kill me later, so if you don't get any more updates from me that would be why... you see he's twice my size..
#1 The commander will only let you set the rev limiter to 9999 rpm...
Well I went in to the data logit and set it to 12000 and bam 12000 rpm rev limit... the commander says 2000rpm because it can only display 4 numbers, but trust me there is no 2000rpm rev limit...
#2 The commander will only let you set the max injector size to 1500cc's.. Well I'm running 1600cc injectors in my car so we set the injector size to 1600cc's and wala my Power FC now knows it's running 1600cc injectors and it even displays 1600cc on the commander...
PS... It was Igy's Idea to try these modifications and he wanted to post this, and he's probably going to kill me later, so if you don't get any more updates from me that would be why... you see he's twice my size..
01-17-02, 03:23 PM
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Datalogit
Two questions since I am not on the yahoo groups yet:
1) While writing the base map or tuning the injector maps with the datalogit / laptop, will the map tracer be incorporated to pinpoint the particular loads/rpm point the car is at? That will make tuning on the fly and alot easier. This is the feature that's missing from the commander and is incorporated in the Power Excel software that I have seen.
2) Wide band dataloging, does that mean it's able to record the rpm vs air fuel ratio (wide band) simulatneously? If so will the datalogging able to log the particular rpm/load point at the same time on a particular WOT pass? The commander map trace and logs these points, but one has to count the 20x20 grid and then go back to the injector maps, which is kind of a hassle, tho not too big of a deal.
Tx.
Wayne
http://www.phase2motortrend.com
1) While writing the base map or tuning the injector maps with the datalogit / laptop, will the map tracer be incorporated to pinpoint the particular loads/rpm point the car is at? That will make tuning on the fly and alot easier. This is the feature that's missing from the commander and is incorporated in the Power Excel software that I have seen.
2) Wide band dataloging, does that mean it's able to record the rpm vs air fuel ratio (wide band) simulatneously? If so will the datalogging able to log the particular rpm/load point at the same time on a particular WOT pass? The commander map trace and logs these points, but one has to count the 20x20 grid and then go back to the injector maps, which is kind of a hassle, tho not too big of a deal.
Tx.
Wayne
http://www.phase2motortrend.com
Last edited by tristarx; 01-17-02 at 03:25 PM.
01-17-02, 04:53 PM
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My question deals with the loading of maps. You said you could load maps in 3 seconds. Just curious as to how you can do this? Create a map in excel, load it into the laptop with the Logit on it, then put it in that way? Sounds like a good system though and I'd sure as hell buy one when its ready for the public. Now I need a damn cheap *** lap top. What speed processor? 233 with 95/98? Then a wide band sensor, how much do they run price range wise?
Tim Benton
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01-17-02, 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Dragon
PS... It was Igy's Idea to try these modifications and he wanted to post this, and he's probably going to kill me later, so if you don't get any more updates from me that would be why... you see he's twice my size and his car is still faster..
PS... It was Igy's Idea to try these modifications and he wanted to post this, and he's probably going to kill me later, so if you don't get any more updates from me that would be why... you see he's twice my size and his car is still faster..
01-17-02, 07:58 PM
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sold the FD...kept the FB
Originally posted by Tim Benton
My question deals with the loading of maps. You said you could load maps in 3 seconds. Just curious as to how you can do this? Create a map in excel, load it into the laptop with the Logit on it, then put it in that way? Sounds like a good system though and I'd sure as hell buy one when its ready for the public. Now I need a damn cheap *** lap top. What speed processor? 233 with 95/98? Then a wide band sensor, how much do they run price range wise?
Tim Benton
My question deals with the loading of maps. You said you could load maps in 3 seconds. Just curious as to how you can do this? Create a map in excel, load it into the laptop with the Logit on it, then put it in that way? Sounds like a good system though and I'd sure as hell buy one when its ready for the public. Now I need a damn cheap *** lap top. What speed processor? 233 with 95/98? Then a wide band sensor, how much do they run price range wise?
Tim Benton
"I have run it on my old P120 with windoze 95.
It does have 64 meg of ram though
It is a pretty small program and is really limited by the speed of the Power
FC.
We need to find some old lap tops some time and test it out"
Last edited by FD Racer; 01-17-02 at 08:00 PM.
01-17-02, 09:19 PM
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Will you be able to run higher than 17 or 17.5 psi boost with this program? If so, will it ket you program to run a generic map sensor or will you still need the Apexi boost kit?
Jack
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01-18-02, 03:09 AM
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20B N/A Wide Body FC3S
Some answers:
tristarx question #1 YES
tristarx question #2 Pretty much yes, they are still doing some stuff with the data logging software that is going to make it do all the things you wanted it should be done prior to them selling the system..
Tim Benton questions... When you first start the program you hit read all and it pulls all the info off you computer and displays it on the laptop in a really nice easy to read format.. you then make your changes and hit update and it transfers those changes to the power fc.. bam all done..
I'm also using a POS pentium 133 with 32mb or ram and win98 with no problems...
Trout questions... You can tell it to boost what ever you want. You are only limited to what your Map sensor can read.. You should be able to run any generic 5V 3 or 4bar Map sensor, you can set it up to read them by adjusting the scale and offset, how ever it may be difficult to get the right #'s input to make them work... I think pretty much any 3 bar 5V sensor will probably work on option 1 with out any adjustments being made though..
tristarx question #1 YES
tristarx question #2 Pretty much yes, they are still doing some stuff with the data logging software that is going to make it do all the things you wanted it should be done prior to them selling the system..
Tim Benton questions... When you first start the program you hit read all and it pulls all the info off you computer and displays it on the laptop in a really nice easy to read format.. you then make your changes and hit update and it transfers those changes to the power fc.. bam all done..
I'm also using a POS pentium 133 with 32mb or ram and win98 with no problems...
Trout questions... You can tell it to boost what ever you want. You are only limited to what your Map sensor can read.. You should be able to run any generic 5V 3 or 4bar Map sensor, you can set it up to read them by adjusting the scale and offset, how ever it may be difficult to get the right #'s input to make them work... I think pretty much any 3 bar 5V sensor will probably work on option 1 with out any adjustments being made though..
01-18-02, 06:35 AM
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Sorry if this question has been asked somewhere already.
Will this program allow actual uploading of new maps? Without all the number crunching we currently have to do cell by cell.
Just for an example, on my motorcycle I have a unit made by Dynojet called the PowerCommander. Online or in just about any MC forum there may be ppl who have come up w/ what they feel is the best map for the same bike w/ the same mods. Its as simple as downloading his map and then uploading it into the PowerCommander. Voila ur done!
Will Datalogit do this?
TIA!
Will this program allow actual uploading of new maps? Without all the number crunching we currently have to do cell by cell.
Just for an example, on my motorcycle I have a unit made by Dynojet called the PowerCommander. Online or in just about any MC forum there may be ppl who have come up w/ what they feel is the best map for the same bike w/ the same mods. Its as simple as downloading his map and then uploading it into the PowerCommander. Voila ur done!
Will Datalogit do this?
TIA!
01-18-02, 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by 3rdGenLuvr
Sorry if this question has been asked somewhere already.
Will this program allow actual uploading of new maps? Without all the number crunching we currently have to do cell by cell.
Just for an example, on my motorcycle I have a unit made by Dynojet called the PowerCommander. Online or in just about any MC forum there may be ppl who have come up w/ what they feel is the best map for the same bike w/ the same mods. Its as simple as downloading his map and then uploading it into the PowerCommander. Voila ur done!
Will Datalogit do this?
TIA!
Sorry if this question has been asked somewhere already.
Will this program allow actual uploading of new maps? Without all the number crunching we currently have to do cell by cell.
Just for an example, on my motorcycle I have a unit made by Dynojet called the PowerCommander. Online or in just about any MC forum there may be ppl who have come up w/ what they feel is the best map for the same bike w/ the same mods. Its as simple as downloading his map and then uploading it into the PowerCommander. Voila ur done!
Will Datalogit do this?
TIA!
01-18-02, 08:03 AM
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P-Pal a Datalogit yesterday
I paid-Pal for a Datalogit yesterday. I have been waiting for this for almost a year now. I have a friend with a turbo Type R who's willing to split for an UEGO wide band sensor.
How many runs on the dyno will I need to fine tune the PFC?
How many runs on the dyno will I need to fine tune the PFC?
01-18-02, 10:01 AM
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Re: P-Pal a Datalogit yesterday
Originally posted by poormanferrari
I paid-Pal for a Datalogit yesterday. I have been waiting for this for almost a year now. I have a friend with a turbo Type R who's willing to split for an UEGO wide band sensor.
How many runs on the dyno will I need to fine tune the PFC?
I paid-Pal for a Datalogit yesterday. I have been waiting for this for almost a year now. I have a friend with a turbo Type R who's willing to split for an UEGO wide band sensor.
How many runs on the dyno will I need to fine tune the PFC?
That depends on how bad out of tune you are and how much time you spend looking for that last 1rwhp. I've seen people have a good tune after 2hrs and I've seen people take 10hrs to tune thier car(not all at once though its too hard on the car).
It just depends on what you have to start with and how picky you are. I'd allow yourself a few hours of dyno time to get a good tune.
Later,
STEPHEN
01-18-02, 03:50 PM
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Uego Sensor, controller
with FC-Box almost here, anyone looking into a wideband solution? Anyone with some time to spare interested/willing to look into a group buy?
Here are some links with good info, passed on to me by Glen.
http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/default.htm
http://fjoinc.com/automotive/
Here are some links with good info, passed on to me by Glen.
http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/default.htm
http://fjoinc.com/automotive/