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06-29-05, 06:02 PM
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Check out my HIGH BOOST map.
Map was tuned by Jeff48. It's an awesome map and was tuned for roughly 19 lbs of boost on pump gas. If I recall, afr's were in the 10.5-10.8 range. With the weight of my car, the power is estimated at around 380 whp. This is low so I was hoping for some suggestions.
Jeff48 is the man.
Jeff48 is the man.
06-29-05, 06:28 PM
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Having ZERO luck in trying to access it! Your DOCUMENTS folder appears to be empty! 0.00% used space!
Also need a list of engine mods that affect air flow.
Also need a list of engine mods that affect air flow.
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06-29-05, 11:16 PM
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Yeah, Eric I don't have signatures on since they can tend to be long. What's the car's setup like Chuck was was asking. Did you do a total vehicle weight with you in the car as well and it sounds like your going by your trap speed calculation and not a dyno.
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06-30-05, 06:26 AM
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Does anyone know of a place to host my map?
Mods are:
T51R Kai Turbo
1300 cc sec inj
950 cc pri inj
Aeromotive A1000 pump
Greddy 3 row intercooler
Mild street port
No cat converters
Mods are:
T51R Kai Turbo
1300 cc sec inj
950 cc pri inj
Aeromotive A1000 pump
Greddy 3 row intercooler
Mild street port
No cat converters
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06-30-05, 08:48 AM
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If you have a DATALOGIT, then post it there on the group, or.
attach it to this thread even if it takes giving it a false file type extension.
attach it to this thread even if it takes giving it a false file type extension.
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Does anyone know of a place to host my map?
06-30-05, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
If you have a DATALOGIT, then post it there on the group, or.
attach it to this thread even if it takes giving it a false file type extension.
attach it to this thread even if it takes giving it a false file type extension.
I'll attach it here..
Please let me know if you see where I am losing power.
Thanks fellas.
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Ok tell us what boost you were running and what P row it was using with that 3 bar map sensor set up for your estimated 380whp.
There is no way we can determine this and it is vital.
There is no way we can determine this and it is vital.
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Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
Ok tell us what boost you were running and what P row it was using with that 3 bar map sensor set up for your estimated 380whp.
There is no way we can determine this and it is vital.
There is no way we can determine this and it is vital.
Maybe Jeff can chime in
07-01-05, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
Do you have a commander and have you done a map ghost trace?
Read the manual!
Read the manual!
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You are asking us for help, but then you do not evevn know the basic PFC terminology. Therefore there is no way for us to communicate.
Go study the PFC manual and read the above tuning sticky.
Go study the PFC manual and read the above tuning sticky.
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what do you mean the power is rated at 380rwhp ?
If it wasn't tuned on a dyno then you can only speculate.
380rwhp at 19psi is well low for your setup. I have a similar setup to you and have over 400rwhp at 14 psi. So expect you to be around the same mark as me.
Your timing seems very conservative at peak torque area and a bit too advanced after peak torque, but then I can only compare to how I normally map. I'm sure Jeff48 knows what he's doing so I guess the only way to put yourself out of your misery is to get it on the dyno and see what it produces?
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If it wasn't tuned on a dyno then you can only speculate.
380rwhp at 19psi is well low for your setup. I have a similar setup to you and have over 400rwhp at 14 psi. So expect you to be around the same mark as me.
Your timing seems very conservative at peak torque area and a bit too advanced after peak torque, but then I can only compare to how I normally map. I'm sure Jeff48 knows what he's doing so I guess the only way to put yourself out of your misery is to get it on the dyno and see what it produces?
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Well, I've plugged in some Steve Kan ignl/ignt/split maps. Took it out for a drive today with the wideband, running low 10.3-10.4 afr's at half boost (10lbs). I'm going to wait until it's dry outside to get into higher boost. I already know some fuel needs to be pulled out.
Are you guys adjusting fuel through the base map or inj map?
Are you guys adjusting fuel through the base map or inj map?
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Use the fuel correction map to change cell by cell. Use the PIM maps for broad temporary but quick changes.
10.3-10.4 AFRs for 10PSI boost is super rich. You can run 11.7 to 11.5 there.
10.3-10.4 AFRs for 10PSI boost is super rich. You can run 11.7 to 11.5 there.
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. Took it out for a drive today with the wideband, running low 10.3-10.4 afr's at half boost (10lbs). Are you guys adjusting fuel through the base map or inj map?
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Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
Use the fuel correction map to change cell by cell. Use the PIM maps for broad temporary but quick changes.
10.3-10.4 AFRs for 10PSI boost is super rich. You can run 11.7 to 11.5 there.
10.3-10.4 AFRs for 10PSI boost is super rich. You can run 11.7 to 11.5 there.
Fuel correction, would that be the inj map or the base map or does it not matter?
One more question, since I changed my ign maps/advanced my timing, lowered my split..........would this cause my car to run leaner? Just trying to get an idea of what to expect.
Thanks...
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Originally Posted by LUPE
I've got the datalogit.I don't want to use the PIM maps....I want to change by cell.
Fuel correction, would that be the inj map or the base map or does it not matter?
One more question, since I changed my ign maps/advanced my timing, lowered my split..........would this cause my car to run leaner? Just trying to get an idea of what to expect.
Thanks...
Fuel correction, would that be the inj map or the base map or does it not matter?
One more question, since I changed my ign maps/advanced my timing, lowered my split..........would this cause my car to run leaner? Just trying to get an idea of what to expect.
Thanks...
It's easier to adjust fuel from inj map. My advice is don't advance timing too much and don't lower your split too much especially while your not running race fuel.
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Originally Posted by BNA_ELLIS
Yes your wideband will read a little leaner.
It's easier to adjust fuel from inj map. My advice is don't advance timing too much and don't lower your split too much especially while your not running race fuel.
It's easier to adjust fuel from inj map. My advice is don't advance timing too much and don't lower your split too much especially while your not running race fuel.
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12 split is a little conservative. 8-10 is middle of the road. Anything tighter than that really starts to push things.
The 16 leading max...is that at redline or at your torque peak? If its at your torque peak then that's pretty hot...might want to pull it back to 12-13..and even 12-13 is a little aggressive. If you're ramping up to 16 at redline that's kinda conservative but not too bad. It will still make some good power.
The 16 leading max...is that at redline or at your torque peak? If its at your torque peak then that's pretty hot...might want to pull it back to 12-13..and even 12-13 is a little aggressive. If you're ramping up to 16 at redline that's kinda conservative but not too bad. It will still make some good power.
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Originally Posted by Trevor
12 split is a little conservative. 8-10 is middle of the road. Anything tighter than that really starts to push things.
The 16 leading max...is that at redline or at your torque peak? If its at your torque peak then that's pretty hot...might want to pull it back to 12-13..and even 12-13 is a little aggressive. If you're ramping up to 16 at redline that's kinda conservative but not too bad. It will still make some good power.
The 16 leading max...is that at redline or at your torque peak? If its at your torque peak then that's pretty hot...might want to pull it back to 12-13..and even 12-13 is a little aggressive. If you're ramping up to 16 at redline that's kinda conservative but not too bad. It will still make some good power.
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I know who did that map and I don't want to step on any toes so this is just my personal opinion. Take it at that. 
P11 & P12 are roughly 10.8 psi right? And P13-P14 should be roughly 15psi with the 3-bar? Unless you're running C16 24/7 I think those are way too hot..especially in the N13-N15 range. P11 & P12 I would run no more than 17 degrees at N13-N15 and I would drop it down to at least 13-14 degrees once you get to P13 & P14. After that do a slow taper down to 10-11 degrees at P20's torque peak.
If you drop P11 You're also going to need to do some smoothing/averaging between P07 and P11 to make for a seamless transition into boost.
P11 & P12 are roughly 10.8 psi right? And P13-P14 should be roughly 15psi with the 3-bar? Unless you're running C16 24/7 I think those are way too hot..especially in the N13-N15 range. P11 & P12 I would run no more than 17 degrees at N13-N15 and I would drop it down to at least 13-14 degrees once you get to P13 & P14. After that do a slow taper down to 10-11 degrees at P20's torque peak.
If you drop P11 You're also going to need to do some smoothing/averaging between P07 and P11 to make for a seamless transition into boost.
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Originally Posted by Trevor
I know who did that map and I don't want to step on any toes so this is just my personal opinion. Take it at that.
P11 & P12 are roughly 10.8 psi right? And P13-P14 should be roughly 15psi with the 3-bar? Unless you're running C16 24/7 I think those are way too hot..especially in the N13-N15 range. P11 & P12 I would run no more than 17 degrees at N13-N15 and I would drop it down to at least 13-14 degrees once you get to P13 & P14. After that do a slow taper down to 10-11 degrees at P20's torque peak.
If you drop P11 You're also going to need to do some smoothing/averaging between P07 and P11 to make for a seamless transition into boost.
P11 & P12 are roughly 10.8 psi right? And P13-P14 should be roughly 15psi with the 3-bar? Unless you're running C16 24/7 I think those are way too hot..especially in the N13-N15 range. P11 & P12 I would run no more than 17 degrees at N13-N15 and I would drop it down to at least 13-14 degrees once you get to P13 & P14. After that do a slow taper down to 10-11 degrees at P20's torque peak.
If you drop P11 You're also going to need to do some smoothing/averaging between P07 and P11 to make for a seamless transition into boost.
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Check the range on it. That map looks like it would only goto around 1.5bar. I stop maxing out the range to 30psi a long time ago so I have no idea where you got that map from. P14 should be around 10psi or 0.7kg/cm2 if it came from someone that I tuned recently.
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Yeah, Steve Kan maps....... well what the frick.