Hy guyq,


Wide bands have been widely discussed on this board, with the Innovative as one of the best.

As I ru a PFC, which wide band brand/setup has the best/easiest compatibility with the PFC.

Being:

- straight forward connection
- ease of getting them aligned
- performance of the wede band and combo with PFC.

 

I haven't used it yet, but I found this article when I was researching:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/r...c_tutorial.php

 

Neal you should change your sig

 

Excellent info, thanks


Later Olivier... later first things, first

 

I made a thread about hooking up the LC-1 with the datalogit. https://www.rx7club.com/power-fc-forum-47/my-power-fc-lc-1-xd-16-datalogit-wiring-diagram-707298/

 

I like the LC-1 thats what i have.

 

I have used the PLX brand of WBs with great results and they are easy to hook up.

No matter which you buy, make sure it has it's own AFR display. Then you should calibrate your DL to your laptop and WB to insure that it records the same AFR as it displays.

Do this with the sensor in a sealed jar with a gas mixture of about 11 AFR.
Or do it on both ends with a lean and rich mixture of say 18 AFR to 10 AFR.
Propane mixed with air is how you obtain the AFR you want.

 

Innovate LM1 very easy two wire hook up and very easy setup
with the datalogit. Unit is quite bulky so only really good for tuning sessions not full time incar AFR monitor. + you can record and playback logs with/without datalogit

 

No need for separate AFR display. I used Innovate's serial connection to laptop and used their software.

At the same time I used FC-Edit via USB and matched results right on a screen.

 

So you trust them with your engine's life?
Even our original $1200 WB without a gauge would record .3AFR lean.
http://www.mwignitions.com/

Do what you want and fill free to make errors.

 

Innovate gauge uses digital signal from wideband module. I'm using same digital cable and their software to display AFR on laptop. Do you think it shows different numbers? I'm sure it doesn't.

Same company, same interface, same cable. Laptop or standalone gauge. They display the same. No question.

The only question is how their analog signal being interpreted by Datalogit. And this is what we trying to verify. I don't see any problem doing what I did.

 

I think what Chuck is trying to say is how are you suppose to know what the actual reading is if you havent got a display that you can compare to when initially setting up the datalogit. with the Innovate recommended 0-5v = 9-16AFR numbers, the DL and the Innovate display doesnt match and it was quite a big difference, had to use different #s on the set up so the DL and Innovate to read perfectly.
It might read OK using their own software etc but will the DL interpret it as exactly
the same numbers, hence the reason you will initially need a display to set the DL and innovate to read exactly the same numbers,once it all set up to read exactly the same then you can just use the DL without other displays

 

what you did is OK. You just used that company's software on your laptop instead of the display. Like you stated it will be the same value.

 

Hooking up your wideband's 0-5v output to the DL is so much better than reading the manufacturer's software. You can much more precisely graph things in the DL, and you have the map watch feature.

 

agreed

I think he was just using the wideband manufacturer's software to calibrate the AFR reading in datalogit. Much like Chuck suggests using the AFR display to calibrate the datalogit. Same thing. I doubt he is using the wideband software to tune.

BTW, I have a zietronix wideband and the AFR values read the same from their software vs. the display.

 

Exactly. This is what I did. Of course I use Datalogit/FC-Edit and analog output for data logging. I used digital output plus their software to calibrate datalogit.

What I tried to say is that you can have it all for $200 and no need to buy additional gauge if you not planning on installing it on a dash.

 

Afterall, people.. How do you know that gauge display GOOD value and datalogit displays BAD numer?

To get true baseline - you almost need second known to be precise wideband and calibrate off it.

 

One of the best things I ever did was mount my wideband in an autometer universal mounting cup, directly beneath the tach on the steering column. That way you always know your AFR even with no laptop hooked up and you don't have your eyes darting around to a bunch of different places to monitor the engine.

The datalogit usually has the "bad" number because of electrical noise on the 0-5v signal or improper setup within the datalogit in terms of translating voltage to AFR.

 

That is just matter of preference. I'm weirdo I hate any extra gauges. I plug in my boost gauge only to check stuff to make sure it works. I did linear water temp gauge mod and fixed oil pressure gauge (new sender)

For AFR I'm planning on installing diode lights right into the dash where They will light up yellow on borderline and red when lean. Numbers just don't do it unless they are on a log.

Yep. In my case serial output (digital) showed exactly the same as analog on datalogit. But I used delta feauture and made sure all wiring done per instructions and used solder connections.