Pineapple Racing Hi-temp Dual EGT gauge kit
#51
Originally Posted by dhcernese
did you ever get the ok to move from "group buy interest" to the actual "group buy" topic? might that make sense before the cut-off date for the "group buy"?
#54
I have just received the fourth FIRM order, so I am prepared to just lower the initial buy-in at 4 instead of 5 to get things rolling. Perhaps that will get people off the fence. The initial orders will be processed tomorrow (Thursday, Aug 24th) and shipped immediately at the $225 plus shipping price. The September 1st deadline will stand for finalizing the GB price. If six more people come forward, making a total of ten orders, the price will drop another $10 and I will issue refunds of the balance to those who already paid the $225 price. At that point, the GB price is final regardless of the number of people who later chose to participate, though the GB may remain open indefinitely.
I have called Ryan twice and recieved no reply about making the GB official, as far as the Forum is concerned. Anyway, hopefully we can make that happen and move the thread over to the regular GB section, where more people are likely to find it. Even it it doesn't, the GB deal is firm...call it a 'sale' or whatever.
I have called Ryan twice and recieved no reply about making the GB official, as far as the Forum is concerned. Anyway, hopefully we can make that happen and move the thread over to the regular GB section, where more people are likely to find it. Even it it doesn't, the GB deal is firm...call it a 'sale' or whatever.
#56
Okay, the orders I have in hand are processed and those going in the mail are getting picked up by the USPS in about an hour.
Tracking Info:
Joe: Global Air Parcel Post # CP039589375US
Daniel: Delivery Confirmation # 0103 8555 7497 5028 6690
Jon: Delivery Confirmation # 0103 8555 7497 6077 2459
Tracking Info:
Joe: Global Air Parcel Post # CP039589375US
Daniel: Delivery Confirmation # 0103 8555 7497 5028 6690
Jon: Delivery Confirmation # 0103 8555 7497 6077 2459
#57
Crash Auto?Fix Auto.
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Couple questions:
The EGT readings we will be getting will be higher than those of a single sending unit mounted after the turbo...correct? How much hotter should I expect them to be? Meaning (forgive me Im new to EGT's altogether) if a decently tuned single turbo FC is seeing approx. 1700-1800F after the turbo what should I be seeing one the duals to be comparable?
Basically what is considered a "safe" temp with about a 12.5:1 AFR?
The EGT readings we will be getting will be higher than those of a single sending unit mounted after the turbo...correct? How much hotter should I expect them to be? Meaning (forgive me Im new to EGT's altogether) if a decently tuned single turbo FC is seeing approx. 1700-1800F after the turbo what should I be seeing one the duals to be comparable?
Basically what is considered a "safe" temp with about a 12.5:1 AFR?
#59
FD title holder since 94
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Originally Posted by classicauto
Couple questions:
The EGT readings we will be getting will be higher than those of a single sending unit mounted after the turbo...correct? How much hotter should I expect them to be? Meaning (forgive me Im new to EGT's altogether) if a decently tuned single turbo FC is seeing approx. 1700-1800F after the turbo what should I be seeing one the duals to be comparable?
Basically what is considered a "safe" temp with about a 12.5:1 AFR?
The EGT readings we will be getting will be higher than those of a single sending unit mounted after the turbo...correct? How much hotter should I expect them to be? Meaning (forgive me Im new to EGT's altogether) if a decently tuned single turbo FC is seeing approx. 1700-1800F after the turbo what should I be seeing one the duals to be comparable?
Basically what is considered a "safe" temp with about a 12.5:1 AFR?
You'll want to be richer than 12.5:1 anyway so your better off asking, what temp should I be seeing with an 11.0:1 if you want to be safe.
Tim
#60
Originally Posted by Tim Benton
You'll want to be richer than 12.5:1 anyway so your better off asking, what temp should I be seeing with an 11.0:1 if you want to be safe.
Tim
Tim
For tuning, it is recommended that you initially use the dual EGT for checking the balance of combustion (within 50ºF is pretty good) and use wide-band O2 for AFR, then note the EGTs you are seeing for the known AFR. After that, you will have a pretty good idea of the temps you should be seeing for your targeted AFR. Once you know what is "normal" for your setup, you can easily spot anything abnormal should it occur. NA cars are much less sensitive to AFR, so EGT can be the primary tuning tool if that's all you have access to. For turbo cars, EGT is a suplimentary tool that tells you more than simple O2 can, but it does not replace WBO2 measurement. Consider it one more tool in the bag; not the only tool you need.
#62
Originally Posted by RXciting
Just Ordered.
# 1201
# 1201
We are currently up to 6 paid-in-full orders:
(1) Dan (dhcernese)
(2) Adam (afgmoto1978)
(3) Ed (Mr. Stock)
(4) Jon (jjshaloam)
(5) Joe (classicauto)
(6) Francesco (RXciting)
No deposits have been made so far, but that option is still open to those who don't have all the cash in hand.
Four more orders or non-refundable deposits by September 1st and the price drops another $10 for everybody.
#64
Originally Posted by R37ribution
Very nice well thought out post Blake, you sold me with your knowledge.
How much you need for a deposit?
How much you need for a deposit?
#65
Crash Auto?Fix Auto.
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Originally Posted by Blake
EGT has many variables, so it's hard to answer this question with any precision. However, turbo cars are generally pretty happy around 1400ºF at WOT under load. Stock NAs are usually around 1650, bridgeports 1750 and peripheral ports closer to 1850. Again, these are just starting points for tuning. Not only does AFR affect temperature, but so does ignition timing, the type of fuel and the distance of the probes from the exhaust ports. Before vs. after turbo readings usually vary 50-75ºF for cast manifolds and perhaps ~100ºF for a tube manifold. Again, many variables come into play.
For tuning, it is recommended that you initially use the dual EGT for checking the balance of combustion (within 50ºF is pretty good) and use wide-band O2 for AFR, then note the EGTs you are seeing for the known AFR. After that, you will have a pretty good idea of the temps you should be seeing for your targeted AFR. Once you know what is "normal" for your setup, you can easily spot anything abnormal should it occur. NA cars are much less sensitive to AFR, so EGT can be the primary tuning tool if that's all you have access to. For turbo cars, EGT is a suplimentary tool that tells you more than simple O2 can, but it does not replace WBO2 measurement. Consider it one more tool in the bag; not the only tool you need.
For tuning, it is recommended that you initially use the dual EGT for checking the balance of combustion (within 50ºF is pretty good) and use wide-band O2 for AFR, then note the EGTs you are seeing for the known AFR. After that, you will have a pretty good idea of the temps you should be seeing for your targeted AFR. Once you know what is "normal" for your setup, you can easily spot anything abnormal should it occur. NA cars are much less sensitive to AFR, so EGT can be the primary tuning tool if that's all you have access to. For turbo cars, EGT is a suplimentary tool that tells you more than simple O2 can, but it does not replace WBO2 measurement. Consider it one more tool in the bag; not the only tool you need.
Anymore interested, gauge-obsessed folks out there? ???
#68
DGRR 2017 4/26-4/30, 2017
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Blake,
I'm wondering how accurate these probes are and also how quickily they react. Do you have any specification of the temp probs? i do think it will suppliment to the tuning but not sure how practical if probes doesn't react fast enough and also can't be datalogged.
I'm wondering how accurate these probes are and also how quickily they react. Do you have any specification of the temp probs? i do think it will suppliment to the tuning but not sure how practical if probes doesn't react fast enough and also can't be datalogged.
#69
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Originally Posted by herblenny
Blake,
I'm wondering how accurate these probes are and also how quickily they react. Do you have any specification of the temp probs? i do think it will suppliment to the tuning but not sure how practical if probes doesn't react fast enough and also can't be datalogged.
I'm wondering how accurate these probes are and also how quickily they react. Do you have any specification of the temp probs? i do think it will suppliment to the tuning but not sure how practical if probes doesn't react fast enough and also can't be datalogged.
Last edited by dhcernese; 08-29-06 at 01:05 PM.
#70
Originally Posted by herblenny
Blake,
I'm wondering how accurate these probes are and also how quickily they react. Do you have any specification of the temp probs? i do think it will suppliment to the tuning but not sure how practical if probes doesn't react fast enough and also can't be datalogged.
I'm wondering how accurate these probes are and also how quickily they react. Do you have any specification of the temp probs? i do think it will suppliment to the tuning but not sure how practical if probes doesn't react fast enough and also can't be datalogged.
I don't want to mislead anyone that EGT is better than WBO2; it's just a different tool with a different perspective. Used together for tuning, you have a better picture than either one can provide alone. WBO2 gives you the average AFR while Dual EGT gives you the combustion balance, plus insights into ignition timing, etc. EGT, alone, is the more economical means to monitor AFR on a day-to-day basis in a linear manner (unlike NBO2), but I would not rely on it exclusively for doing the critical tuning a of turbo car. Fortunately, pretty much any dyno tuning facility will have WBO2 capabilities, which is not always true for EGT, let alone dual EGT. I don't like WBO2 for day-to-day use...save the expensive, sensitive equipment for tuning.
As an analogy, if WBO2 is a finely calibrated torque wrench, EGT is that handy flex-head 1/4 drive ratchet with the assortment of extentions and u-joint sockets that you reach for on a daily basis and wonder how you ever survived without it. Each has a job, but one is more practical, one more precise; both belong in your toolbox.
#71
Eric (EZFD) is the 7th paid order. Now, counting the gauge I owe Ric Shaw (not part of the GB) and the others we sold prior to the GB, that depleats the initial stock I had on hand. More gauges can -- and will -- be ordered, but it will add a few days to the orders from this point forward. So, instead of getting the gauges in about 3 days after your order, it will be more like a week. Just a heads-up...
#73
Originally Posted by Juiceh
Man, I wish there was a 3 rotor model available. I may be interested in one of these in the future. As usual, another nice lookin product from you guys.
#75
Originally Posted by R37ribution
Datalogging would be a nice feature...
Where do I make the deposit?
Where do I make the deposit?
Deposits can be Paypal'd to us at <sales@pineappleracing.com> or you can call us with a CC number. 503-233-3878.