The Portland area and surrounding Oregon counties is getting E-10 at all gas pumps. E-10 is a mix of 10% ethanol & 90% gasoline.

How will this affect my emissions? Will it allow for more of a safety buffer against detonation?

Any other benefits/negatives from using E-10?

 

Crappy gas mileage other than that I don't know

 

I think I saw a sticker on a pump when I was filling my motorcycle the other week, saying something like "This pump may contain ethanol", and we are down in Corvallis.

What is the purpose of this change?

 

Mostly it is to be politically correct.

 

This is state wide. It is a feel good measure the dem's came up with to reduce our need for oil and to promote Oregon's ethanol industry. Problem is it will reduce milage and make us fill up more often so we will end up using more oil.

 

Awesome. GG Oregon.

 

I hear that we may have to change our fuel filters more often because of the changeover.

 

That means I'd have to find my fuel filter.

 

I just read that as well. I guess they are saying because the ethanol will clean out our systems and the fuel filters will have to do more work. They say it will only be in the beginning though.

 

A few words from e-10 supporters:

Every major automobile manufacturer in the world approves and warranties the use of GoE/E-10.

E-85 is safe to use in a variety of automobiles. Please consult your owner's manual to determine if you are driving a flexible fuel vehicle.

GoE/E-10 is compatible with any engine manufactured since the 1970s.

Ethanol adds two to three points of octane to ordinary unleaded gasoline, so GoE/E-10 boosts the performance of your engine.

Because of its high oxygen content, GoE burns more completely than ordinary unleaded gasoline and reduces harmful tailpipe emissions.

GoE prevents gas line freeze-up. It suspends moisture in your fuel system, so you don't need to add expensive anti-freeze in cold weather.

GoE burns cooler than gasoline, so it prevents engine valve burnout.

GoE keeps fuel injectors clean, which improves the efficiency of your fuel system and reduces deposits that can seriously interfere with engine performance.

A few negatives:

An exact figure on cars which will not perform satisfactorily - and may even be damaged by E10 - is impossible to calculate, but industry sources say it is between 30 and 40 per cent of cars.

Ethanol raises several serious problems that range from phase separation (ethanol bonds to water and the mixture falls to the bottom of the tank as a separate layer where it can find its way into the engine) to the sudden release of sludge build-up (which results in clogged filters and injectors).

I'm sure there's more...

Seems like most of the benefits would make this ok for rotary engines... except the milage.

Another guy on here made like 400hp on e85, but you have to dump it in by the gallon... so...

 

Ethanol eats rubber.

Google for 'ethanol seals damage'

There's quite a bit available.

 

That's why I went Viton on the seals and vac lines.

 

From all that I have read, ethanol seems to be little more than a temporary feel good solution to our dependence on foreign oil.

There is not enough land within the entire United States to grow the corn necessary to make enough ethanol to dramatically decrease our dependence on foreign oil.

As more corn is diverted to create ethanol, the price of corn and the price of meat from any animal we feed corn to increases dramatically.

Most importantly, using current production methods, it takes more energy to create and transport ethanol than burning ethanol produces.

With that being said, e10 or e85 is a bad idea for us all regardless of your party affiliation or lack thereof (unless you own stock in ethanol).

 

On a more positive note, RyosukeD, your car is sweet! It reminds me of my old Brave Blue '91. What color is that?

 

That's only true as long as corn is our only source of ethanol. There are other sources far better than corn, like switchgrass and green algae.

 

I don't want this to thread to stray towards a disagreement about corn oil/ethanol and if its effecient or green or what ever...

I hate this global warming crap and the green BS...

How will it affect our rotary engines?
Are there any benefits that we can take from it?
Or are we simply stuck with a less superior petroleum thanks to the ***'n *** hats in Salem?

 

Remember this is nothing new here in Oregon, we've been using it every winter for a while

 

It is my understanding that ethanol (a type of biofuel) is made from corn.

Switchgrass, green algae and other organic materials may become good sources for alternative biofuels (not generally refered to as ethanol).

 

Nope. Ethanol can come from many sources. Green algae is arguably the best source for it (and is also very efficient for biodiesel and some other biofuels).

 

Of course there won't be any large scale production of ethanol using anything but corn for quite a while. The real benefit of ethanol is that it allows the Federal government to subsidize corn farmers without having to do it through the farm subsidy program.

BTW, a friend of mine runs a distillery making alcohol from waste plant material that he then sells to companies that operate fleets of vehicles. He gets scrap wood shavings from mills and companies that make preformed trusses etc.. to burn as fuel for his stills. All it costs him is his time and the gasoline to get his truck to where he picks up his material.

 

Thanks man

It's brilliant black.

 

It may not affect you much, but it sure will reduce government's expenses on foreign oil import.

I am also pretty sure the price for gas will drop, and so will your engine's performance.

 

Ethanol is likely to increase the price of gas because it costs more to produce and transport. You are also likely to get fewer miles to the gallon as more ethanol is added to gasoline. It's really a lose / lose situation.

 

Well it sounds like this $hit sucks in all directions...

What about them saying it raises teh octane 2 or 3 points?

How well does oil (2 stroke) mix with ethanol?

 

snap, i was at three different gas stations today in Vancouver, and all of them had stickers saying something about 10% ethanol mix. this sucks.